Biblical Leadership Show
The Biblical Leadership Show podcast explores timeless principles of leadership through a biblical lens, offering insightful discussions and practical wisdom for leaders seeking to integrate faith and leadership in their personal and professional lives. Join us as we delve into biblical narratives, lessons, and values to inspire and equip leaders to make a positive impact in their communities and organizations.
Biblical Leadership Show
Molded by Change: How Flexibility Shapes Leadership and Personal Evolution
Discover the transformative power of flexibility as Tim Lansford and Dr. Dean Posey guide you through its impact on leadership and the ability to navigate life's unexpected turns. Drawing from the adrenaline-pumping triumph of the Kansas City Chiefs, we step into a dynamic conversation that traverses personal anecdotes of adaptation, from reimagined virtual workspaces to the profound lessons we uncovered amidst a global pandemic. Our shared experiences serve as a testament to the notion that being too unwavering can sometimes turn our strengths into stumbling blocks, emphasizing the need to remain pliable in the face of change.
As we wade through the intricate dance between steadfast values and the agility demanded by today's fast-paced world, we draw inspiration from biblical figures like Apostle Paul and Jesus, who embodied the essence of adaptability within their divine missions. We also grapple with the real-world implications of flexibility in the corporate sphere, discussing insights from the McKinsey & Company study and the seismic shifts introduced by artificial intelligence. This episode isn't just a dialogue; it's an invitation to reflect on the delicate balance between rigidity and resilience, and how mastering this duality can not only enhance your professional life but also enrich your personal growth.
Oh, huh, now Mm-hmm, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on, alrighty. Welcome to another fun episode of the Biblical Leadership Show. I'm Tim Lanser with me as Dr Dean Posey. How you doing?
Speaker 2:there, dr Dean, I'm doing fantastic. Tim, how you doing.
Speaker 1:You know I am doing mighty good today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because of that game. Ask me why. Ask me why? Well, why?
Speaker 1:I because of the Kansas City.
Speaker 2:Chiefs.
Speaker 1:And what a game yesterday. Oh my gosh, was that a great game. I was tense and on my toes the whole time. It was crazy.
Speaker 2:It was back and forth, back and forth, you know, and San Francisco was running it good in the first half, you know, and then, all of a sudden, just they just got. I mean wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was very lack of days ago. The first half it was almost like, oh okay, Ho-hum, ho-hum, and then at the end, you know there, the second half is just it, just wow.
Speaker 2:And then I mean, and then it tied, went to overtime.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just so excited. Originally I'm from Kansas City, so I'm you know I love my Cowboys, but I love, love my Chiefs. You know, I'm a big, big, big fan of my Chiefs and I was so excited we were all decked out in our jerseys and doing our stuff. And it was. It was a great night.
Speaker 2:It was a great game. Good night for Chiefs fan. I meant, goodness, that was intense. It was righted to the very last second. I mean it was there. Yes, it was.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess we're not a sports talk podcast.
Speaker 2:No, we're not.
Speaker 1:So I guess we should get into this whole biblical leadership stuff, but I will say that I'm pretty dang excited about it and glad to be here being able to say that she's one. So so, biblical leadership show, we are talking about this, this fancy word called flexibility, today.
Speaker 2:Flexibility Wow, what a great trait and it's so appropriate to talk about that in life, business, spirituality, I mean it. It affects so many areas of life. Yes, and I know we, we, sometimes we admire people who are, you know, inflexible and just focused and all that kind of stuff, but that sometimes our greatest strength can also be a greatest weakness. And and being flexible. We hopefully learned a lot about flexibility during COVID, and flexibility is so important today in so many areas of life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we talked to this. You know, at one thing, covid, it did change the world and a lot of us. We know it right, it sure did. And I remember that, you know, I was had on the road to do a training seminar and, as I said, we were, we were leaving and all of a sudden it was like no, you had one day notice to switch to virtual and everything shut down. That one day. It was. It was just amazing and we had to ramp up, we had to keep business going and it was. It was in a crazy time and and I think a lot of people embrace flexibility at that point. I know that I consider myself a very flexible person because my schedule I, I, I stied it, try to stay committed, but no matter what, as you know me, it just it seems like I'm going this direction. Next thing, you know, did you get that done? I'm like no, I, I ended, drive to here or drive to.
Speaker 2:East.
Speaker 1:Texas or whatever, and it's, it's. It's crazy. You know a lot of the schedule and you have to just take it with a grain of salt a lot of times and just go with what has to happen. You know you, you can't be so rigid because you're not going to accomplish the things that you need to accomplish.
Speaker 2:Exactly. I remember in the church back it's beginning of code we heard on Friday, like at noon, maybe afternoon, that we weren't going to, you know, be open for the people to come in the property on that Sunday and our team was just phenomenal and getting it together and getting some people in there to help and and for those first couple of weeks, just learning how to do that and being flexible and trying one thing and it didn't work well, trying something else and we finally, you know, just because we had a great team, it, it, it worked, but it was a challenging time for everybody.
Speaker 1:And things evolved so much. I mean, I remember sitting at home because I couldn't come to hear one of your sermons and and logging on and from from day one, same with me training. He got much better in months one month, two month, three month, four, month, six and it's one of those things that I even tell people. I don't, I don't, I'm not a news watcher, right, I don't watch the news in there. I don't like negativity, I try to stay away from it. Everyone wants to watch it just to see it. But during that time I watched the news almost every day because I want.
Speaker 1:It wasn't about the news, I wanted to see how people were adapting, what their flexibility was of broadcasting from their home instead of having a big teleprompter in front of them where they could just read as a reporter and and and go through that. So I had so much fun just watching, seeing people's environments, seeing what's behind them in the desk if they're broadcasting, how their kitchen a lot of them were. You know what was on the shelf, what was in the pictures. I'm a big fan of looking at all those little details and I had so much fun just sort of seeing how flexible people were and and some of them were good and some of them were not very good If they didn't have that teleprompter in front of them and they were pre-recording and all that stuff. Boy, it just was looking like a mess and and and in some cases. But you know, we all made it through.
Speaker 1:I think everybody is more flexible on that and that's one of the big things we can look at. So, flexibility, flexibility, how about in the Bible? What kind of flexibilities do we have out there? Well, I mean, hey, let me, let me forward, get in that you, you're going to go through a flat. How flexibility you were. You just went through a huge flexibility I did.
Speaker 2:As far as that. So, yeah, I was this year. I want to do two more triathlons, one in May and is kind of one in the spring, one in the fall. And so I went to see my eye doctor at the beginning of January and she said well, your cataract is getting to the point where we can't do anything more with glasses or context. We can't correct your vision any more than it already is. So I've talked to her about scheduling an appointment with a cataract surgeon, so got that scheduled.
Speaker 2:My wife and I went. The doctor surgeon said yes, these are to the point where we need to take them out and so we schedule for May. Well, I'm thinking, okay, that's good, because I can do the triathlon and then I can have surgery, get ready, get it all behind me before summer vacation. They call the next day because I had told them that if there's something that's canceled, if there's something that's canceled, then I'd be willing to move it up. Well, they called me the next day and said well, you said to call you if there's a cancellation and we have an opening next Wednesday. And I said, okay, all right. And when you're going through cataract surgery as many of our listeners know from experience or their families. After you do that, you can't lift, you can't swim for three to four weeks, you can't lift anything more than 15 pounds, you cannot move your head below your waist, there's so many restrictions.
Speaker 2:And so, just being flexible about my training schedule, it's like it really turned out to be good because the weather now and it's like okay, I'm now, I'm back to where I can exercise, but there was some times where I just had to just recover and it'll be good in the long run and I think that's part of the flexibility is okay. What is our outcome objective and are we willing to be flexible with our schedule? Are we willing to be flexible with, maybe, and if we're a boss, are we flexible with the dress code of our employees? Are we flexible with the work location? Are we flexible with different things?
Speaker 2:We might not be flexible with our core values, and I think that's real important, because if we're flexible with our core values, they're not core values and we might think, oh, maybe we need to be flexible with our mission. No, that's not, then it's not your mission. If you want to be flexible, then change your mission, mission statement. And so still, I had to be flexible with my training schedule for the triathlon, but I still want to do the triathlon in May, so that's still the goal. I just have to ramp up my training now to a little bit more intense. I've got about 12 weeks 13 weeks before the triathlon, so I can get it all done. But I definitely had to be flexible and thinking about the long-term goal of health and everything involved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you mentioned core values and I was training in Houston last week and one of the things that I always throw in when I hear core values and we did a very lengthy exercise on a lot of stuff and not only to know your core values and this is exercise I do for businesses and hopefully somebody out there that you can utilize is because most people have core values that tie into their website, their mission and all that, but a lot of times people don't understand how those core values which, what's the hierarchy of the core values? What's the hierarchy of accountability? There's lots of scenarios that we do and I have a lot of brainstorming in these groups and these big companies. It's like well, I mean, if your values to make a profit customer comes first, quality and integrity well, if you've got a product that's bad, you need to make a profit. Well, where's the profit? Profit's probably down at number five, right. And the integrity, where's that? Well, it's to do the right thing every time.
Speaker 1:Well, if you got an imperfection in your product and you're gonna ship it out the door, well, where does that fall? Does it fall below? If quality is to make a profit's number one, you're gonna ship that product out, you're not gonna think anything about that core value because quality is down here at number five, right? So you need to think about literally even more of the core values, like how do you establish accountability, how do you establish a hierarchy of these? Because a lot of times when I mentioned this group is the sales guys are out in the field, they're trying to make something happen and they're calling the head honchos, but they're all in a meeting and all this. Well, they have to have the right to know what's our company values. How does this work? Should we give this product for free? Because integrity and making the customer things right is the number one thing? Then I have the liberty to do that. It doesn't have to be figured out in every little scenario that comes up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly right. So Flexibility is the ability I guess you can say, to a willingness to be changed, modified, to be easily modified. Sometimes we want to be, you know, we're open to that, Sometimes we're not.
Speaker 1:Navigate uncertainties is one of the words that comes to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so sometimes, when we think of flexibility, we think about it in terms of physical activity, and you know how flexible I am to do this exercise. If I'm going to jog or swim or whatever, are my joints flexible, and that's a good thing. We can go down that road. We don't need to. But when you're doing some type of physical exercise, one of the key things to keep you from being injured is flexibility. I think the same principle is true in business and in life. You need to be flexible with certain things, but certainly, like you said, not your core values.
Speaker 2:So let's jump into the Bible, and there's so many instances about being flexible, and the first one that comes to my mind is in the New Testament, book of Acts, chapter 16. So Paul, apostle Paul, was on a missionary journey. We read that and he was in present day Turkey and he wanted to go north into Asia. And we read there in in chapter 16, that the Spirit of God kept him from going there. So he turned and went south and went to the town of Troas. And, what's interesting, after that particular section of Scripture, the language of the Scripture changes. Instead of it being in third person, now it's in first person. And we see that because now Luke, who lived in Troas, is now traveling with Paul, and so he's talking about, instead of Paul did this or they did that, he's talking about we did this.
Speaker 2:And to me that shows that if Paul had not been flexible, he'd been so stubborn. Then he said no, I don't really care what the you know I'm hearing from God, I'm just going to just keep going north. I'm not going to be flexible. He wasn't flexible with his mission. He wasn't flexible with his outcome objective. He was flexible in the direction he was traveling, and that's key. So he went down to Troas, met an incredible physician by the name of Luke. They started traveling together. If that hadn't have happened, if Paul hadn't been flexible, we would not have the book of Acts, we would not have the book of Luke. So many things are recorded in those early years and decades of the church that we would have never known about if Paul had not been flexible at that moment. So what a great lesson for all of us about flexibility. Paul certainly wasn't flexible in his core values or his mission. He was just flexible in the direction he was going.
Speaker 1:Excuse me, yeah, and that's one of the things that companies, we from a corporate leader we always have to adapt right. We might have market shifts. I mean, look at the adaptation we've had to do from the AI market come in from a corporate leader.
Speaker 1:That's changing what we do in all markets. I mean from corporate training to speaking, to writing a book to you know how you do a report, how do you send out an email. A lot of times is now being affected by, you know, artificial intelligence and it's changed. And that's if you can change, if you can pivot and have that flexibility. There's a lot of good benefits of this, you know, and it's going to be a work in progress and think we're just at the tip of the iceberg on this too right.
Speaker 1:Exactly the products that are coming out and some of the things. It's exciting and innovative and also scary in a lot of times too. So just don't know what it's going to be. I mean, think of what we've done in last year. When it talks about AI, I mean it's been around for a while, but it's really become in the marketplace in the last year and you know, think five years down the road. What is going to be out of this? It's going to be crazy.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and so I was doing a little research and prep for you know, today, and there was a study done in July of 2022. So this is right, as the pandemic had been going on for two years a little after you know, two and a half years or so, it was done by McKinsey and Company on flexibility in the workplace and it said this according to the July 2022 study of McKinsey and Company, flexibility in the workplace ranked as one of the top motivators for staying in a role Employees are looking to work for, work that brings meaning to their lives and fits better around the demands of their personal lives. The business case is clear Companies that don't offer flexibility will lose crucial competitive advantage. Companies that get flexibility right will retain existing talent, bluest employee morale and attract new talent. So and McKinsey I mean, they're one of those top people. So that just shows if we got to be flexible with certain things whether that's a dress code, assignment, work location, time off, those kind of things and if we're not flexible, then that could really affect our business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's business is changing and you know we're going up and down. I see it both. Right, you know a lot of people are like, well, no, we need to write back in the office and everybody comes back to office and morale's down and and now, okay, we're going to do sort of a hybrid system, right, to try to please everybody. Because you know, everybody started putting personal values. I could spend time with my kids, I could spend time doing this. I'm not. It wasn't 50 hours a week about work and all this stuff and about this. So it changed the mentality.
Speaker 1:I think, and I guess you know corporations nowadays they have to do a little bit more flexibility. They have to think about that because the people that are professionals, that are leaders, that that can write their own ticket a lot of cases are now looking at these things because it did change the mentality and you know, I think it's. It's something that needs to be addressed from a corporate standpoint because we we have to navigate. You know we have to. The corporate leaders have to navigate this, this waters. They're in to make sure that everybody's happy. And, from a corporate standpoint, those top leaders, those companies, people making decisions, they have to have the flexibility for change. You know, nobody likes change. Most people they they put resistance on change. There are a few I actually like change, but you know a lot of people put in the people like change, we like good change, right, you know exactly.
Speaker 1:So we, we see a little quotations up, but but I mean from a corporate standpoint. I think this is something that you have to do in corporate leadership to be able to willing to be flexible.
Speaker 2:Exactly Right. And so one of the things that both of my kids they're in jobs where their schedule is flexible, and that to me is just a great thing, that the employee employer has made a decision because they want to keep good talent and that's just happening a lot. Now they still have things they have to do. You know there's certain things they have to get done, but it's not like a nine to five job in the office every day, and so their employers have been flexible with the work schedule. Where they work, you know, sometimes they can work at home, sometimes they're in the office and and that just allows them the flexibility to to focus on those things. You know being with their kids more or being off, you know those kind of things.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure, and you know decision making was always a big one that I thought.
Speaker 1:As far as flexibility, you know, when we weigh the risk and the benefits of some of our decisions, a lot of times we, we, we, we go with the facts, Sometimes we go with the gut feeling and and the leaders that are strong in the corporate leadership are always looking at their flexible If you get too rigid where you're just looking at the facts to figure the numbers and you aren't flexible, you aren't willing to bend the rules from time to time, You're going to miss a lot of opportunity, especially in business. I know a lot of things that I had no intention of going this way but ended up going totally this way on a business decision or something we decided, or branching out to another branch of our company, whatever it is. If you open your eyes and you see some of the things that are that God and your angels are presenting in front of you and you're open to those doors and you're open to flexibility, Boy, there's, there's a lot of doors that'll open that you did not know that would actually open.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So let's go back to core values, because I think all these ties together. So so you were talking about not just core values. You know, you might have five core values or six or whatever in your company and the, the priority that you put on. What's the first core value, what's the second? You have to rank those right. So, employee retention, employee satisfaction where is that in the core values?
Speaker 2:I remember when I was in graduate school, I was working for a guy and we were I worked, hadn't worked for a church, yet I was working at a company that built bridges and and this was in Atlanta we were working on the bridges around the loop 285. And this guy, smart, smart construction guy. He was in the bridge building business, he learned the trade, but his, his goal was to be a millionaire before he was 30. And as a result of that, he would not pay his employees, including myself, everything that he owed them. And I confronted him on it once and he paid me the difference out of his pocket and I confronted him on the second time.
Speaker 2:I just quit because I'm thinking, obviously his core value of making his million dollars before he's 30 is better than paying his employees what he owes them and I thought I can't work for a person or a company that puts his profit and his personal agenda and and and ahead of the what he's owes his employees, and it's just like no, I'm not going to do that. So I quit and I found a job of loading refrigerator at 18 wheeled trucks and that was a great job and they treated me great, they paid me great and did that until I started working for a church. But it just showed me the difference of how people value their employees and and what's the core value and how important it is that and are they flexible?
Speaker 1:And, and I think that flexibility is is. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2:Do you?
Speaker 1:think? Do you think flexibility is a born trait or is it something somebody develops?
Speaker 2:I think it'd be both. But let's just say, some people it's like, oh, you know, whatever they're like E or in Winnie the Pooh, and I was like why bother, you know, just do whatever you want to do. And I think if we go that direction, then we might just be like a doorman People just run over us and so. But if we're so rigid that it's my way or the highway, then I think in in today's business world or church world, or even in families, that that just doesn't work and there's going to be a lot of rebellion and a lot of consequence. There's consequences either way.
Speaker 2:So I think it's a learned process to be flexible, and I know that I haven't always been, you know, as flexible as I need it to be, and I've learned from making bad decisions and and so by learning this, like you know what, next time I need to do it different. And I think so the question would be do we have a great team? I think one of the and you know, next week we're going to talk about collaboration. I think that the two of them kind of go hand in hand. Are we willing to admit or talk to our people, or talk to our family and be flexible with what we think is the right thing to do. Are we willing to modify the agenda, modify the goal, modify the timeline, whatever, for the benefit of the group or the company?
Speaker 1:Are we willing to do that?
Speaker 2:And that is a learned trait. Not everybody's willing to learn it, but I think it can be learned. What about you?
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I've got another question because I apparently I just wanna hear you talk today, but I keep coming up with these questions. And in the Bible, who do you think that wins the award for the most flexibility?
Speaker 2:Who do I?
Speaker 1:think I was sitting here thinking this a second ago and I was going back and forth and I figure I'm curious. Well, you know.
Speaker 2:If you don't answer Jesus, I don't know. Right, right, well, yeah, I mean, that's the comment you know he had an agenda but he never wavered on his agenda of preaching the love of God and expanding the kingdom. But I think because of what people did, you know, he knew what was gonna happen, but he was gonna go here and then it's like something happened.
Speaker 1:He would go over there, just kind of flow with it be flexible with the leading of the spirit, see, and that's where I was going, because in my head you know you gotta answer Jesus. But I'm like, if you really think about it, though, was he the most flexible? Because he had, he was hearing God. Right, he knew what he had to do. Right there he took the word and he says I'm gonna go here, do this. All this that's flexibility. But think about the people that didn't have the faith, that weren't talking to God. You know Simon and all these people that just dropped everything on the second and said, yep, I'm heading this way I'm going and it sort of.
Speaker 1:I started having that deliberation while you were talking a second. I go I'm like, well, yeah, Jesus was flexible. But I mean, if you're hearing your dad say do this, you're gonna go do this. It's the people who's like I don't hear anything. What do you hear? Is this true? I'm gonna drop everything and go do it. So I was having that deliberation in my head like well, who here was the most flexible?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, if we look at the entire Bible, I would obviously say Jesus, but other this put Jesus aside for just a second. If you look at the entire Bible, who do you think would be the most flexible? I would either say the apostle Paul or King David. King David, when he was, you know, selected to be the the, you know, the successor for Saul, you know. And then Saul was jealous and he had to be, you know, run for his life and those kinds of things. He, even though he had a great relationship with Jonathan, he had to be flexible as to where he was gonna live, what he was gonna do, what he was gonna focus on. Was he gonna be in the king's palace, was he not? You know, saul tried to kill him several times and he had to keep focus on. This is what God has called me to do. I'm gonna be the king. But you know, he killed Goliath.
Speaker 2:But that just caused some problems with King Saul. It was in jealousy and those kind of things. So he had to just follow the spirit of God and allow God to direct his path and be flexible in that. And I saw, I think, those. If we look at the story of David and the apostle Paul. I think both of them would be. If we look through the lens of flexibility, we can say wow, you know, that's what happens when you listen to the voice of God and allow God to direct your life, instead of you trying to direct your life, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:And I guess one of the last things I wanna get into when we're talking about flexibility and corporate leadership is a leader to be able to receive feedback.
Speaker 2:You know, that's one of the biggest things that leaders, they put up their walls and.
Speaker 1:I don't wanna hear it and all this, but if you're open, you're able to receive the feedback and then pivot based on that feedback to be flexible, to go. I need more training in this. I need to be more rigid in this and more flexible in this and to be able to not only take yourself and incorporate the flexibility into who you are, but to be able to be flexible in the way you give feedback to your employees, because you know we have a lot of stuff in communication, right? All the different personality traits, right, you know, men and women. We have to be flexible and how we approach on feedback, all the communication things that we have. It's across the board. So there's a lot of stuff and I think the feedback, either incoming or outgoing, tends to be something that we need to be flexible. We need to learn from that and be flexible and learn from it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So what you're saying, what I'm hearing you saying, is you can't just have an open door right, you gotta have an open heart and mind. You have to say, okay, I'm willing to sit here and listen to you know some criticism or some advice, that maybe the decision I made wasn't the best decision for the company or the family or whatever, and am I open to hearing another point of view and potentially not always, but potentially changing my mind or changing the direction, making another decision?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you see this, as far as companies, they you know, I'm not gonna cite anybody but they make decisions and they move forward and then all of a sudden that didn't work, they hit a brick wall and they have to pivot and instantly they come up with a whole new campaign or new thing to try to pivot. To make sure that you know there and you have to be flexible to be able to do that and to know what works and what doesn't and that's one of those big things that you need to look at. You need to look at yourself to see how flexibility, how flexible you are. And then you need to look at your corporate, your corporate values, to see is there any flexibility in those? We don't want any flexibility in your corporate values, but I mean, maybe if you have flexibility in your corporate values, you need to reinvent your corporate values you know what we talked about, Exactly exactly, right.
Speaker 1:You know, and one of those things that you know I talk about. You know why don't flexible people ever get lost? Why because they're always finding a way to bend the rules.
Speaker 2:Oh, I knew we'd have to work in the dead joke. What do you call a be that can't make up its mind?
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, what a be that can't make some.
Speaker 2:This should be easy, but they call it be, they can't make up its mind. I don't know. A maybe.
Speaker 1:I'm very say. That sounds like it's such an easy one. I should be able to get that one and I should have. What else you got? What do you? All she got.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, when my kids were young I you know I still miss them there. They're grown and out of the house and they're doing great on their own and that kind of stuff. But I remember I, many years ago, I warned my children, I we had these, we were training dogs For competition and I would use whistles to teach the dogs certain things. Well, my kids got a whole the whistle one day and I warned the children not to use that whistle inside the house and and they kept doing it. I gave them one last chance. Unfortunately they blew it. What kind of dogs that you trained.
Speaker 1:We trained golden retriever and Labrador retriever for obedience trials.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really, they were just those breeds.
Speaker 1:There's so many good breeds of dogs but those.
Speaker 2:We had two goldens and two labs over probably about a 20 year period and we trained them in obedience trials and when. When I was in graduate school we went all over the state of Georgia and when we moved to Texas went all over Texas and it was it was a fun hobby. It was just a fun hobby. I love it when I was sitting here talking and I learned things about you.
Speaker 1:So yeah, all right, I'm gonna throw one more in, because you are one. Why are the gymnasts always so?
Speaker 2:happy. Why are gymnasts always so happy?
Speaker 1:Why are gymnasts always so happy? I don't know why?
Speaker 2:because they always flip and never flop.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness Okay one last thing, all right.
Speaker 2:I'll let you do one, close it out for us. Okay, we're gonna go ahead and do one more time.
Speaker 1:I'll let you do one. Close it out for us, Okay we're gonna close.
Speaker 2:We're gonna close it out here because you know there was a Super Bowl over this weekend and the chiefs won, but yes, okay, so here's, here's the go. Why do football players way more than inmates? Because, because the pros always outweigh the cons. There you go.
Speaker 1:There we go, all right, well, thank, you Dr. Dean, I had fun. Thanks, you know, to all my chiefs fans out there.
Speaker 2:Whoo Sorry, frisco you did, you guys did great.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, you did really good the last two to two seconds to you, but you know I gotta gotta go with my only chief fans. Give him a shout out out there. Other than that, guys, check us out. Biblical leadership showcom. Tell us if you got any good dad jokes. If you want to Say anything, shoot us an email and tell us any topics upcoming that we'd like to talk about. And other than that, thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you for joining yeah, and share this podcast with someone else and we'd love to hear from. Anyway, make it a great day. Make it a great day.
Speaker 1:Talk to you soon Bye.
