Biblical Leadership Show
The Voyage of Values from Boardroom to Family Room
Have you ever stood at a crossroads, torn between the easy choice and the right one? I'm Tim Lansford, and together with Dr. Dean Posey, we tackle the hefty subject of how values and integrity act as the rudder steering our leadership journey. We get real about the times our principles have been tested, drawing from the well of our personal stories, like my ethical quandary leading to a job resignation, and Dean's gritty pursuit of his doctorate.
As the conversation unfolds, Dr. Posey and I peel back the layers of what it means to own our choices and their outcomes. We examine the intertwined nature of integrity, compassion, and the seemingly small act of punctuality. These aren't just buzzwords; they're the scaffolding for building a resilient character and fostering an environment where empathy and understanding flourish. You'll hear candid confessions of missteps and the wisdom gleaned from them, all served with a side of laughter and a few dad jokes to keep things light.
We wrap up by challenging you to think about the consistency of your values across all arenas of life. Whether we're setting boundaries like those at the Alamo or navigating the corporate maze, Dr. Posey and I share insights on living in line with what we stand for––and the profound impact it can have. So, if you're ready to explore the depth of your own values and learn how to apply them from the boardroom to the dinner table, this heart-to-heart is one you won't want to miss.
Have you ever stood at a crossroads, torn between the easy choice and the right one? I'm Tim Lansford, and together with Dr. Dean Posey, we tackle the hefty subject of how values and integrity act as the rudder steering our leadership journey. We get real about the times our principles have been tested, drawing from the well of our personal stories, like my ethical quandary leading to a job resignation, and Dean's gritty pursuit of his doctorate.
As the conversation unfolds, Dr. Posey and I peel back the layers of what it means to own our choices and their outcomes. We examine the intertwined nature of integrity, compassion, and the seemingly small act of punctuality. These aren't just buzzwords; they're the scaffolding for building a resilient character and fostering an environment where empathy and understanding flourish. You'll hear candid confessions of missteps and the wisdom gleaned from them, all served with a side of laughter and a few dad jokes to keep things light.
We wrap up by challenging you to think about the consistency of your values across all arenas of life. Whether we're setting boundaries like those at the Alamo or navigating the corporate maze, Dr. Posey and I share insights on living in line with what we stand for––and the profound impact it can have. So, if you're ready to explore the depth of your own values and learn how to apply them from the boardroom to the dinner table, this heart-to-heart is one you won't want to miss.
Welcome, welcome, welcome to another exciting episode of the Biblical Leadership Show. My name is Tim Lansford, and with me is the famous Dr.
Speaker 2:Dean Posey.
Speaker 1:Dr Dean Posey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm famous in this room, maybe.
Speaker 1:Oh to our four listeners. Yes, I worked at four. Now maybe. Oh to our four listeners. Yes, including your wife, oh my goodness that's awesome. I think we're up to 12. Weren't we trying to double?
Speaker 2:We were trying to double, you know, if you could double every month. Wow, I know That'd be great.
Speaker 1:I was actually going to do that before the show to see where we're at on listeners, but I failed to do that because I was running around doing everything else. Yeah, so I will make that happen to the studio here. Yeah, we're slowly, slowly getting it. Yeah, it's just all piecing together, and we came into a new studio here a while back at the end of last year and we've been slowly getting it all pieced together yeah, but it's, it's very comfortable and great, and, uh, you know I like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you did a great job. It's very comfortable and great, and you know I like it. You did a great job. It's getting there. It's getting there. We're getting there, you know, step by step.
Speaker 1:All we need is another eight months, and I'll have this place finished.
Speaker 2:Okay, Well, you know, baby steps that's a big important thing require baby steps, and we can segue that right into our Because my values take over of trying to finish all this office right.
Speaker 1:So my values of being with the kids and all that stuff take over when they're dead. So we're going to talk about what today.
Speaker 2:We're going to talk about values.
Speaker 1:Values, all right. What is values? We all have values, don't we?
Speaker 2:We all have values.
Speaker 1:Is there a scale of values? I mean do you have values? I have values, don't we? We all have values. Is there a scale of values? I mean do you have values? I have values. Are you better?
Speaker 2:values than mine, I don't know. I just think that values whether we realize it or not, whether we admit it or not, everybody has a value more than one normally, and our actions really reflect our values. Now we might say you know, I have the value of integrity, but do your actions really reflect that over time? And so we're going to talk about the importance of values, why those are so important, and I encourage everybody to have some time, sit down and think okay, if I could choose three to five values that I want to be sure are part of my life, my private life, my public life, my church life, my business life, my family life, what would those be? And so everybody can relate to a GPS. Some people have a GPS on their watch, you know, but most people now have it on their phone or their car or something like that, and you plug in a destination. Most of the time it works properly, you know.
Speaker 2:Most of the time Most of the time, exactly Not all the time, but most of the time it's taking the shortest route right, yes, and I like where it says you have three routes, three options.
Speaker 2:Which one do you want to go? So you can go straight, which is the short one, you can go around the country and get in the same spot. Or there's a third choice, and so a GPS to me is like a value, so it helps guide you in the direction you want to go. So let's just say your value is honesty, integrity, compassion, respect.
Speaker 1:What do you got? You got any more in there.
Speaker 2:Well, no, I got love, forgiveness, compassion, honesty humility, generosity gratitude, kindness, determination. What about determination?
Speaker 1:Determination Determination to get this studio finally put together.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly I remember when I was in my doctorate program at Emory University, I finally realized that a doctorate for me not everybody, but for me it was not a challenge of intelligence, it was a challenge for determination just to get it done.
Speaker 1:I've heard that a couple times, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so a lot of people don't finish. I was fortunate to have a great and still have a fantastic wife who was so supportive and helped me through that whole process, tried to finish that before our children were born Didn't quite make it, but they were real, real small when that happened. But it was definitely a long journey but it's one step at a time and so maybe that is something that you say. You know what I just need to have determination, or I need to have integrity. Both of you and I. We were sharing this before it started about, when I was in graduate school there in Atlanta. I needed a job to help pay for school and I wasn't working at a church yet. So I got a job with a bridge building company Tye and Steel. That was a challenging job. I had never had a kind of physical job like that. So you know picking up tie and steel and you had to do it by hand. They didn't have these. You know machines now that can do it.
Speaker 1:I know a good bridge building company. I do training for it, so I mean I can hook you up if you want to come out of retirement or anything.
Speaker 2:So it's good exercise for your triathlons Anyway so I enjoyed the work, I got paid really good money, but after my boss cheated me out of my pay twice, I just quit there on the spot. I didn't have another job, but I just couldn't work for a guy who was going to be dishonest. And so the question is when we have values, whatever those values are, and there are categories of values. But the question is, are we going to have the same value in every aspect of our life? We could have a work value, we can have a personal value, we can have values, say, we have a recreation, we play softball or we play frisbee, golf or something like that. Religious values are all of our values, the same in all the categories of our life?
Speaker 1:I've got to ask you do you play Frisbee golf? I don't. We got one like within a mile from here, I know, so we need to go do that. It's an incredible sport, it's a team-building exercise, right.
Speaker 2:And that'll be after the axe throwing.
Speaker 1:All right, yeah, yeah, we've got to do that.
Speaker 2:But some of those people who play Frisbee golf phenomenal.
Speaker 1:Phenomenal.
Speaker 2:I mean, and I didn't know this you have different discs for different distances and different things.
Speaker 1:That would be money wasted on us. We'll just grab one.
Speaker 2:We'll just grab one Two when we lose the first one, I'd probably do better with a Chinette plate than I would with a Frisbee, but the question would be going back to values, you know, but the question would be going back to values. What are those principles and beliefs that guide us in our decision making?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we got lots of categories of values. There's lots of values and there's lots of categories. So let's break some of these down. So, personal values, like I said, integrity, I mean I think that's the biggest thing. I mean it doesn't matter if your persona, you come off as the nicest person in the world or the biggest booty in the world, right, you know, whatever it is, do you have integrity? You know a lot of people do not have it.
Speaker 1:We've talked about that. You know, and there's been a lot of avenues that in business, like we talked about one of your friends, I could have made a lot of money. I mean a lot of money. I've watched people that I was working with and we were starting business back in the day and they went from zero to a million dollars in their bank account in a year. But I knew that their integrity, their values to do this were not good and that's nothing that I will compromise myself ever to do, just to you know, put that million dollars in the bank. So I try to stay very firm as far as that. And I like to sleep at night. I want everybody around me to sleep at night and that's that's why I do, but I mean a lot of people, your personal values. Just on the first one, integrity, really dips a lot.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so we go back to our very first podcast on the word as your word, your bond, and this would be my thinking If a litmus test for values, if you'd sacrifice a value for money, then it's not a value. It's not. And so sometimes we have to make some very difficult decisions. But the question is are we going to stick to our values? Because our decisions we make and the actions that we have reflect our values. And if you don't have values those four of you who are listening to this podcast, if you don't have values, maybe 12,.
Speaker 1:I'll check see where we're at this week.
Speaker 2:That'd be good. The thing about it is you're just like what are my values? Well, you have some, and you might have to take some time to reflect on that. You might ask your significant other what do you see are the values that I live out in my life? That's a really good thing, and I would not encourage people to have more than three to five, because you want to make sure that you can remember them and that the decisions that you make in every aspect of life will reflect those values aspect of life will reflect those values.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the next one I have under personal values is responsibility. This is a huge one for me. I can think back of all the stuff that I've done over my life and we've talked about this on an earlier podcast and the things where I didn't take responsibility for something or I sort of deflected or I didn't tell. You know I, I told the truth, but in a gray area. You know what I'm saying, or you know you. You broke a. I remember one of the things in in uh college that it wasn't even me but we borrowed the neighbor's vacuum and it tipped over and broke the little piece off the handle and everything and we glued it back, and well, that didn't last as we gave it back, right.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know how that happened. Well, of course, you know how it happened, right. But stuff like this to this day and it bothers me. I'd love to find those people. Buy them a new vacuum. You buy them a new dyson. Go here, you go, just trying to make myself feel better, right for something. But I try to instill that in my kids. You know, take responsibility for your actions, because those are the things that are going to come back and bite you. Those are the things that annoy me, that there's those stories that you you know that you weren't a bad person, you just weren't the best. You know taking that responsibility, because when you're young, you're scared, you know you're going to get in trouble and I try to instill that in my kids. Every day is like take responsibility. If something happens, it's fine. Tell me you broke it. Tell me you did something and let it be, because it's going to be a big thing. Do you have any stories or something like that?
Speaker 1:You live a pretty godly life compared to me. You probably didn't break somebody else's.
Speaker 2:Well, I won't go there, but I will say that let's just responsibility. What about showing up to work on time?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You know and not breaking a promise.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I remember when I was little, I tried to play baseball. I was not a good baseball player at all. I wanted to be. I just didn't have the skill, coordination or anything, and I was throwing a baseball against player at all. I wanted to be, I just didn't have the skill, coordination or anything, and I was throwing a baseball against the front of the house and trying to learn how to feel the ball and stuff like that. My parents were going somewhere and they said Dean, you need to stop doing that because you might throw the ball through the window. I said okay, Well, they left. I kept throwing the ball through the window. I said okay, Well, they left. I kept throwing the ball against the house and it was like you know, sometimes when you're in something and just happens in slow motion, it does happen in slow motion.
Speaker 2:I threw the ball and I thought this is not going to be good. And it wasn't that far, but it was like slow motion and that ball literally went right through the window and it just happened to land on my parents' bed. Oh my gosh, the ball and all the glass. Well, you know, it's not like. Well, I don't know how that happened. I mean, I got in so much trouble. But I think, going back to what you said, who did that?
Speaker 1:I?
Speaker 2:know who did that? It had to be my brother.
Speaker 1:This other guy ran up the street and threw the ball and threw it to me. It was down the street. He threw it. I don't even know. I've never seen that kid before ever. Let's get in the car and circle the block. He lived down the street.
Speaker 2:Oh, I got in so much trouble I could only imagine. Oh gosh, it was horrible. Anyway, going back to what you said, taking responsibility for your actions I think that is such an incredible value. Honest integrity they all fit together, they do and make a mistake, you admit it Instead of trying to blame other people.
Speaker 1:There's too much of that going on in the world today. Man, there is and I try to do it just for the simple things like my. You know the normal brother and sister spats. You know that some of my kids I'm like no, no, let's, don't blame your brother for that. I'm pretty smart, daddy, you know. I know what's going down here, probably so. And the last one I have on personal values is compassion, showing empathy and kindness towards others. Right, you know, we, we need to have a lot of passion, compassion in the world, and I don't think we do. We get caught up in the hustle and bustle a lot of times and and sometimes we forget about compassion, we, we forget about putting ourselves in the other person's shoes.
Speaker 2:Right now. Compassion doesn't mean that you are a doormat right and anybody can just walk over you and take advantage of you. That is not what we're talking about. We're talking about when someone what about if your next door neighbor has just had surgery, or someone in the family, or someone at your church or at work is sick, or whatever how do you respond to them? Do you say, well, it's their problem, I'm not going to deal with it? What if you're the boss and you have a person which actually happened? At one of the churches we had an employee who had cancer to church. One of the churches we had an employee who had cancer, and so the question was how can we respond with compassion to the needs of this person while she was going through chemotherapy and what does that mean for time off? What does that mean for her pay? What does that mean All that? And we sat down and you have to think well, whatever you do, you're setting a precedent so that if something else happens to someone else, you've got to be consistent with that. So we came up with what I thought was a very, very good, compassionate plan for her, and she was pleased. We were pleased. It worked great. She came back, she was cancer-free. It was awesome. But that's the thing.
Speaker 2:Any value, you want to be consistent throughout the situation, so that is a really good thing. But let's go a little deeper on that. There's things that we value okay. Whether we value a thing like a car or a bicycle or a musical instrument, there's things that we value, but those are not your actual values, okay, sometimes we think that the things that we value like my home is my value. No, you might say, my value is respect, and so I'm going to treat my property with respect. I'm going to treat the people that live in my house with respect. I'm going to treat anybody who comes to work on my home a contractor, whatever I'm going to treat them with respect, them with respect. So the values are those attributes that you want to live out in your daily life, so that your actions are reflected by those values.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's take an example. Say, somebody values honesty as a core principle, right, this value guides them through interactions of their life. You know, helps to prioritize truthfulness, transparency. But, you know, let's talk about things we value. You know, this person might also value a truthful and open communication style in the relationship.
Speaker 1:So there's different ways to look at it. So, there, there's, there's different, there's uh, there's different ways to look at it. You know, uh, like things, we get caught up on things a lot, and I, I, you know, and and I, I try to tell my kids, you know, cause a lot of my teachings come to my kids, you know and try to impart that if you know, stuff is just stuff you know, and and the value is going to carry through you, you know, stuff is just stuff you know and the value is going to carry through you. You know who you are, how people look at you, how people perceive you, and if we can go through and concentrate on that, that's going to allow you to have, you know, a better life, which, in turns, usually produces better stuff, better you know things, and, and I was going down a path and I lost my thought- process there.
Speaker 2:So you know, let's just uh, we are, you know we're here in our Arlington Texas you know, and so so let's talk about values, um that, uh, as Texans, we could, you know, make a pretty vivid illustration.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's remember the Alamo you know, drew a line in the sand and said hey, if you want to be a part of this, then step over. So that line in the sand. To me, those are your values. Where's your line in the sand when it comes to honesty? Where's your line in the sand when it comes to compassion? Your line in the sand when it comes to integrity or truthfulness or responsibility?
Speaker 1:And different people have different lines right.
Speaker 2:They do. And the question is, depending upon the circumstance, are you going to change your line, or has it just become fuzzy, or is there no line at all? And I think for me, from a biblical point of view, that no matter whether you're at work, whether you're at home, whether you're out on the softball or the pickleball court or whatever, the value should be the same. You shouldn't have some values at home and then another value at work. They should all be the same and to me, that is integrity. Whatever you see in your private life is what you see in your public life. And there's those lines in the sand that you say I'm not going to cross that line because I have honesty as one of my values.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah and we talked about that in another example like sort of like you and with your boss, and I had the same exact thing, that I had a boss when I was in corporate many, many, many, many years ago that had this appearance through the church, through everybody else, that he was just almighty, just awesome, just you know church, godly man, and, but in business, I mean, he was anything but that.
Speaker 1:you know cussing and firing people and not even just I don't know, you know cheat them and do this, and it was. It was so night and day that I did the same thing as you. As I couldn't, I couldn't work there, you know. It's just, it was against my values to be associated with somebody like that. And then, no matter how much you know, we were making it, just I couldn't be there. So I did the sort of the similar thing, just sort of walked off one day and and I said, no, I can't do that, but it's a huge difference.
Speaker 1:And there's and I'm not saying you, you can't be different right, you have to be a little bit more of a hard butt, you know, do in business, right, cause you're running a business, there's things you have to do. You might have to fire somebody, you might have to. But but if, if you're, you're, if you're extending those values where you're talking behind somebody's back or making fun of them or doing things that are, you know, changing your values, you know of a person as a human, and you're running these two different lies, you know, and keeping this one and this one, then they're so distinctly different. That's where it starts crossing the line. You know, as business people, we always have to make decisions, we always have to do things. That's not the norm, but that's not. What we're trying to say here is there's a certain line of you and the way you handle yourself and the way you're perceived by everybody that it has to be consistent.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so one of the things that I think is important when we talk about values is that you know, under a normal everyday circumstance, where life might be good. You know it's payday and things are good. Things are going good at home, work's good. You might think, oh yeah, I'm going to sit down and have values. But what happens when you're in stress? Right, what happens when you have a bad report from the doctor or you get fired or your car breaks down and the stress things go up? Do you change your values during times of stress?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and sort of ones that I can think of. I've told people that when I first got in business, there was times that I I mean I literally was missing meals, you know, and it was just there wasn't any food to be had, and and, uh, I deliberated that many times. Like you know, good Lord bless me, I need some money and all that, but and then the next thing, you know, the cashier is giving me back an extra 10. I'm like, oh my gosh, what do I? Is it a blessing or is it? How should I go about this? But I remember having these deliberations way back when I was young, on things like that. It's like how do I perceive that? Is it? How is it? Well?
Speaker 2:in the scripture, jesus says the person that can be trusted with little things can be trusted with big things.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so that's really, I think, a value it is. We are going to be trustworthy in small things, whether the cashier gives us back too much money or you know, you go to a restaurant, you're out to eat and you look at your ticket and they didn't charge you. You have six people and they don't charge you for five meals. Are you going to call your waitress over or waiter and say, wait a minute, you didn't charge me enough for it because there's six of us and there's only five on the ticket?
Speaker 2:Those little things like that really say a lot about who you are and the type of person and it reflects your values. So it's like, okay, am I going to be honest when it's public and everybody can see it, and I'm not going to be honest when no one notices? That, to me, is a big thing. It's like your values should be the same in private. In public, you know whether you're at work, whether you're at home, whether you're by yourself, whether you're at the golf course, pickleball court, at the gym, wherever it should be. Those are the kind of things we're talking about with values. What are those lines in the sand, that GPS that's going to guide decisions?
Speaker 1:that you make. Yeah, and values actually haven't been around very long. I mean, really, when we said it in business and from the corporate side, they really sort of came up in the 50s and 60s where people established values. Everything was done on morals and we know that that's a huge difference. And when I teach and go back to the cashier thing, one of the things I pose these three questions is like, if you're standing in line at the grocery store and the cashier gives you an extra $5, do you give it back? Most people in the class yeah yeah, I'd give it back.
Speaker 1:You know, absolutely I'd give it back. I go, okay. So now you get out to the car and you're putting all your groceries up and you figure out you got an extra five bucks. Do you walk back in the store, get back in line and give her the five bucks? Most people go, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. So now you're in the car and you're going out to the car. I asked four questions and and I said do you have a infant? And you have two, um, you know, three-year-olds, and you just put them in the car seats. Now do you get them out, repack them to walk back in? Now I start losing people. Oh, I don't know. All right.
Speaker 1:One more question you drive, you live in the country, you drive 20 miles. You get home and you figure out the cashier gave you an extra five bucks. Now do you drive back to the store or how do you handle that? You got an extra five bucks. Then I lose everybody and that goes back to that line in the sand. We all have a threshold. They're like I ain't driving 20 miles back to the sand.
Speaker 1:I might call the store and say, hey, I got an extra five bucks. You know, next time I'm by I'll swing by, but you know I'm not coming to town for another week or two and see what they say. But that goes back to that line in the sand In the corporate. You can see a very distinct line when I'm asking these questions, depending on people's response. If you don't have kids, yeah, you might walk back, but you throw in baby in the infancy, just got strapped in. Well, I mean, that's a major ordeal to take three kids back out of the car. It's like five bucks. But at the same time it could be that $5 comes out of that person's pocket because their till's short that night. So there's a lot of stuff to this value.
Speaker 2:Exactly right. And then the other thing at some point I would say this is true for business If you have a value, whatever value that is, would you drop that value or would it be fuzzy at some point if it became a competitive disadvantage?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, if you're doing a bid on whatever that might be a product, you're a home builder. You build homes.
Speaker 1:It could be that you're a salesperson and you want to be honest, but if you could just shave off a little bit of this or not tell the truth about this, well it happens a lot in the construction where they underbid things and then they get them under contract to get the money and like, well, we need $30,000 more, which is more than what I bid. But you know for a fact that they're underbidding and they can't do this. They're underbidding. If they can't do this, they're throwing out to get the deal, to get them in a bind. So they have to finish to figure out where to come up. More money happens all the time in my industry. You know I just submitted a bid over the weekend and it was the same thing I submitted. I'm I know I'm higher than the other person, but I'm like I'm trying to best guess where you're going to be. Could I have give you a whole bunch of sheet of allowances and said it's going to be this, this and this and made it $40,000 cheaper.
Speaker 1:on paper, absolutely, but I realistically know where you're probably going to do based on the house that you came. You show me pictures. I know that your level of finish out, so I sort of got a good idea on that. But I mean I could have done it completely different on paper than I could have done it there and and I submitted. I just told him you know, hey, it's, it's up to you. I, you know I'll sleep either way. I just want you to know what I did and and have a look at the other bids that are coming in to make sure that they're they're doing what they need to be doing too, because, based on your house in front that you bought and this is like a little pool house and or the one that you lived in before, you ain't going to like basic stuff going in here. I can already tell it happens.
Speaker 2:It happens, things happen, and the question is are we going to keep our values? No, matter what situation we're in If it costs us a job, if it costs us whatever. That's a really good question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know it's been 30 minutes here and we haven't even had a dad joke in here. You know I'm just. Are you going to hook us up here?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't have any I don't even think I have any really good ones.
Speaker 1:You don't have any even think I have any really good ones. You don't have any, I cause I always try to do um, um, you know, specific to the, the uh topic and everything, but I just don't know that I have any good ones here. I'm gonna have to look through my list here and see what you got here.
Speaker 2:I mean we're. We're pushing 28 minutes.
Speaker 1:We got a couple minutes to fill but I just felt like we needed a dad joke in here. We're getting all serious and stuff.
Speaker 2:We are, that's like not us right. So you know you run a business you have for a long, long time.
Speaker 1:I do.
Speaker 2:And you train people and that's going really well. You know, I don't know if I shared this with you before or not, but you know, the only thing that ever starts on time in the office is 5 o'clock. That's it, boy, that is a groaner. Where is your?
Speaker 1:groaner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it the sleeper.
Speaker 1:Throw the crickets in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, throw the crickets.
Speaker 1:I had to process that one for a second. I was like oh okay, Okay.
Speaker 2:well, that wasn't what I was expecting.
Speaker 1:The only one that works. Maybe you should read it again one more time.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not, I'm just going to skip it. I'm going to throw out. Here we go.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh, we're talking about values.
Speaker 2:When we're talking about values, you should have a clean conscious right.
Speaker 1:You should be able to sleep at night, right, we should.
Speaker 2:Well, I have a clean conscious. It's never been used. Oh, that's pretty good right, that's pretty good. I like that one.
Speaker 1:I could deal with that one. So all right, you know, here's the thing, and then we can do a sort of a summary on this is is and I, and I'm a corporate trainer, right? So so me, it's all about doing something with this.
Speaker 1:You know and and we want you to do something with this you know, so many times we, we we have seminars and we have classes and training programs that people don't do anything with, and that's one of the things that we always strive for you to do is implement some of these ideas. I would say sit down and go through, go out and Google a list of values, whatever it is. Find out that, pull up a list of 40 values and, like you said, we said in the very beginning, is, go back and find your top five. Yeah, because if you don't put them in place and this is an exercise I sort of do in corporate is I do this thing from a big retail store where they have a imperfect product and they need to ship it out because they can't have the ones made. They've got this big advertisement out and they have values of their company, so they have to make sure that on time you know they have to have their product out on the shelves. Do what they say they're going to do is number one value, and but at the same time, you know that's one of their values, but integrity is number one, right? So they? They ship the product out a moral story. They end up shipping the product out with a note saying this isn't has an imperfection. It's going to take us two weeks to create a new one. Please come back and we'll produce the new one for you.
Speaker 1:If you've bought this one, but you know, and he goes through all these values and basically they would never know what to do in a situation. A problem arises if you don't know what value outranks the other value. If you've got honesty down there but you have integrity, well, if you have to tell a little white lie to cover up for somebody that just told you something that is a true secret to them and you have to tell a little white lie just to protect their. You know the big, dark secret. Well, what'd they just tell you? Well, your honesty is, I'm honest, I have to tell you you asked me, but it's going to, you know, devastate this person if I say so. There there's these values that sort of do always come in conflict, and if you know your top five and you know which one's a top one and how they integrate with each other, it's going to help you, because I think this is something you need to sit down and do sooner than later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the thing about it is values. You want to live them 24-7.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:You don't just want to live them while you're at work or on the drive-in, whatever. You want to live them 24-7. So you can just go on to any search engine and just put on values and you can come up with 30, 50, 100, and then just start looking at them and say okay.
Speaker 1:We only say Google here because we're trying to get Google as a sponsor. Okay, that'd be great, Okay.
Speaker 2:Google. I'm just kidding, and so.
Speaker 1:That would be a great day. That would be a really good day.
Speaker 2:Don't hold your breath, Anyway. And so look at the list and then go through the list and pick three to five and say, okay, how would this work? If my core value is compassion, one of my core values, how I'm going to live that out at the office. If my core value is integrity or humility, or selflessness, generosity, courage, determination, loyalty, how am I going to live those out? What does that mean at my work? What does that mean in my family? What does that mean in my hobby? You know those kind of things. And then is it something that I can live out for the next 5, 10, 50, for the rest of my life, or I'm going to change my values. They're really not a value. Then it's like no, you want something that you can stick to literally for all of your days on this earth.
Speaker 1:Yes, I agree with you 100%.
Speaker 2:Wow, is that a first?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's maybe a second. Okay, second, all right. Hey, you know what? I'm looking through? My dad jokes and I just don't have any. How about?
Speaker 2:two sheep walked into a bar. I almost got a laugh on that one.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good. No, I like that one.
Speaker 2:I'm just.
Speaker 1:I mean, I've got you know when I pull up the ones about values.
Speaker 2:Is it too early in the morning? Did you need some more caffeine or something I do?
Speaker 1:need caffeine by gosh. It is for sure I need caffeine, so I was going to do that before I came over to the studio, but yeah, Didn't happen going to do that before I came over to the studio but yeah, I'm going to do that for lunch, right?
Speaker 2:So?
Speaker 1:we're here bright and early this morning, right? So why did gratitude never go hungry? Because it was always filled with Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2:Oh see, they're just not good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, we can do. What can we do on?
Speaker 2:that one, the crickets. You've already used the crickets. Yeah, the crickets. Yeah, we can do crickets again on that one. Okay, I just want to tell you a true story about caffeine.
Speaker 1:True story about caffeine. Yes, so I don't drink coffee, tea or anything like that.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you survive in life, but you know these energy drinks that they came out with.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you a joke after we get off the air about that one. I can't say it here, okay.
Speaker 2:So those energy drinks. You know, someone was encouraging me as I was in a marathon training program. They said, you know, if you drink one of these energy drinks, the caffeine will help you in your performance for running. I thought, well, I need all the help I can get. So I got one of those caffeine things and I don't normally do caffeine, so I got some caffeine drank. It had a great run, no problem. But the problem is that caffeine kept me awake for like 24 hours and my wife said in a kind way. She said, don't ever do that again. You're driving me nuts. Because I couldn't go to sleep. I mean, I didn't know if I had that much caffeine in my body.
Speaker 1:Well, those things will jazz me out. I drink multiple cups of coffee a day.
Speaker 2:They did. They just wired me to it.
Speaker 1:I think we should do a show where we do a caffeine energy drink like an hour before the show.
Speaker 2:And just talk real fast.
Speaker 1:It's been like 20 minutes. We're out of here. Wow, wow, wow. His dad jokes would be like what did you say that would be fun? Well, Dr Posey, always a pleasure you got any good ones or anything, You're good.
Speaker 2:We're good on dad jokes.
Speaker 1:We've got to work on dad jokes for next week. I'll find some better ones. I was in a fast race to get in here and get the studio set up. Check us out biblicalleadershipshowcom and hit us up with some dad jokes. Apparently, we need some dad jokes. We've been doing this for a year, year and a half or whenever we're at. Apparently, we need some dad jokes. I've got to do better coming up with some dad jokes. You had some. Well, you had some, so anyway.
Speaker 2:I had some bad ones, bad jokes.
Speaker 1:Hey guys, have a great day and check us out. Biblicalleadershipshowcom and Dr Posey take us out. All right, make it a great day.
Speaker 2:Bye-bye.