Biblical Leadership Show
The Search for Character Clarity: Navigating the Moral Quandaries of Daily Life
Have you ever been faced with a seemingly small decision that tested your integrity? We've all been there, and in this lively episode, Tim Lansford and Dr. Dean Posey, take you through the complexities of Biblical Leadership with humor and wisdom. Kicking off with an energizing introduction, we celebrate Dr. Dean's triumphant triathlon finish and set the stage for an upcoming team event that's sure to be a hit—axe throwing! But hang on, it's not all about the axes; we're slicing into the day-to-day moral choices that define our character, like debating whether to keep that extra change from an unsuspecting cashier.
Parenting and leading require a sturdy moral compass, and we're not shy about sharing our own struggles and triumphs in these arenas. Listen as we draw parallels between the biblical narrative of Esther and our modern-day challenges, highlighting the importance of moral courage and the necessity of setting boundaries. The teenage years come with their tests, and we're here to say that while those boundaries might stretch, they shouldn't break. Balancing heart and humor, we also weave in a dad joke or two—because, let's be honest, who doesn't need a good groan now and then?
Wrapping up with a mix of self-improvement tips and playful banter, we invite you to join us in striving for daily betterment—just one small step at a time. And because we're all about community, we share a touching moment of support for a listener in need, reminding us that at the end of the day, we're all in this together. So, whether you're here for the leadership lessons, the dad jokes, or the camaraderie, this episode's got something for everyone. Grab your headphones and let's get started—just remember, no actual axes are involved, only metaphorical ones!
Have you ever been faced with a seemingly small decision that tested your integrity? We've all been there, and in this lively episode, Tim Lansford and Dr. Dean Posey, take you through the complexities of Biblical Leadership with humor and wisdom. Kicking off with an energizing introduction, we celebrate Dr. Dean's triumphant triathlon finish and set the stage for an upcoming team event that's sure to be a hit—axe throwing! But hang on, it's not all about the axes; we're slicing into the day-to-day moral choices that define our character, like debating whether to keep that extra change from an unsuspecting cashier.
Parenting and leading require a sturdy moral compass, and we're not shy about sharing our own struggles and triumphs in these arenas. Listen as we draw parallels between the biblical narrative of Esther and our modern-day challenges, highlighting the importance of moral courage and the necessity of setting boundaries. The teenage years come with their tests, and we're here to say that while those boundaries might stretch, they shouldn't break. Balancing heart and humor, we also weave in a dad joke or two—because, let's be honest, who doesn't need a good groan now and then?
Wrapping up with a mix of self-improvement tips and playful banter, we invite you to join us in striving for daily betterment—just one small step at a time. And because we're all about community, we share a touching moment of support for a listener in need, reminding us that at the end of the day, we're all in this together. So, whether you're here for the leadership lessons, the dad jokes, or the camaraderie, this episode's got something for everyone. Grab your headphones and let's get started—just remember, no actual axes are involved, only metaphorical ones!
all righty, yeah, uh-huh, yeah, come on, come on, all righty. Welcome to another exciting episode of the Biblical Leadership Show. Welcome welcome welcome, Welcome, welcome. Welcome to another episode of the Biblical Leadership Show. My name is Tim Lansford and I am Dr Dean Pogge. Dr Dean, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2:I am doing really really good. A little sore, you know a little sore, but another triathlon down in the books.
Speaker 1:Another triathlon down in the books. Yes, golly, you're just on a roll, I am on a roll, you're just going half marathon triathlon back to back, let's just do it, let's just go do it. I'm telling you, we're going to go do some axe throwing, maybe in a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yes, we are. I'm telling you, I'm excited about that. Yeah, a couple of days from now. We're going to have some team building events today here in the studio. Yes, I'm excited about axe throwing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no kidding, that is going to be so much fun. It is. We're going to video it. We should come up with some axe throwing dad jokes. We should we missed the boat there, right? Well, we'll do it next episode.
Speaker 2:Next episode, yeah, so we can actually add a video on our website.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, nice.
Speaker 2:And then the dad jokes we can talk about it. Whatever the topic is next week I don't know yet we're going to talk about axe throwing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll figure out, We'll blend something in Somewhere, somehow we will make it happen.
Speaker 2:And we're not doing this from the hospital, right, we're going to do it in the studio.
Speaker 1:Yes, we need to be back in the studio next week. Okay, so we're going to be careful.
Speaker 2:Hey those out there listening. If you've never done axe throwing, just go have some fun. It's harder than it looks, because so many people try to throw it hard and fast. That is not the secret.
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 2:You just kind of soft and flip your wrist.
Speaker 1:And knowing the technique and the distance. That's the key yes, because everybody throws it differently and it spins differently.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and don't try to throw it over your head or backwards or anything like that, just throw it, and it's so much fun.
Speaker 1:I actually bought my kids it's been a couple weeks now a plastic axe throwing thing. They do it in the garage all the time.
Speaker 2:They love it. They have so much fun with it. Plastic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like a little thing. It goes like one of those fake dart boards where it sticks in all the little knobby things. So yeah, they actually go out all the time and do axe throwing in the garage. So I'm getting them good, so they can go out and hang out with the real axe.
Speaker 2:They'll probably beat us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they probably will. You're like you're doing it all wrong.
Speaker 2:Dad, hey Dad, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1:Why can't you make?
Speaker 2:it in there. Maybe that's what we need to do. Go to your house practice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I'll bring it up in the studio and we'll just you know maybe we'll get one for the studio. How about that? Oh, that would be so much fun, you know we don't have room for a pool table with all our tables and chairs and you know equipment around here, but maybe we can have an axe throwing stuff. Well, speaking about throwing, did you hear about the guy who got hit?
Speaker 2:in the head with a can of soda. No, he was lucky, it was a soft drink, oh my gosh, I've got some, I just whew. Well, let it rip. I mean, we're going to talk about moral courage here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, moral courage. I was trying to think let's see, do I have any moral courage?
Speaker 2:I don't have one. I was trying to think, let's see.
Speaker 1:Do I have any moral courage? I don't have one. I told you the oh, that one's horrible. That's a groaner right.
Speaker 2:Well, that's okay, then it would fit.
Speaker 1:After that one I told no, actually there's a couple of them that don't even make sense. I see the punchline. I'm like why did the honest turtle cross the road To get to get to?
Speaker 2:the other side of the lie oh.
Speaker 1:See, isn't that like a moaner?
Speaker 2:There's nothing like related to the thing, so let me ask this question, just going on what you just said.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So there's different levels of badness when we come to dad jokes. Okay.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, should we break that?
Speaker 2:Is it a moaner, a groaner? I mean, we've got to have a scale, okay.
Speaker 1:That was almost a turn off the podcast. That might have been close. Okay, so that's a zero, a negative two, a negative five.
Speaker 2:Okay well, we'll come up with our own scale, and if those of you listening have your own scale, why don't you just email it to us and we'll put it up there? Hey, I have an idea. We'll just put a dart board up there and we'll just throw darts at the things, oh, that one was a three.
Speaker 1:Nice. See, I'm looking at this one, I'm looking at the punchline and I'm like I can create a better dad joke than what this one is why don't you give me that punchline and I'll guess the joke? I already ran, I rewrote it. I'm like what do you call a potato at a sporting event?
Speaker 2:It's got to be something like a spectator Spectator.
Speaker 1:What it says here. It says what do you call a brave potato? A spectator, I'm like what. What. What is that I mean? Come on now, who's kicking these dad jokes out?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I have no idea. But, I think we should do Jeopardy dad jokes. So you give me the punchline and I'll do the joke.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's how it works right.
Speaker 1:That is. That's not bad. We could probably work that out.
Speaker 2:We could probably do that.
Speaker 1:We should probably teach these fine people a little bit about moral courage.
Speaker 2:Yes, we should talk about that. We should talk a little bit about that before we lose everybody that was listening.
Speaker 1:We lost a couple hundred people just then. Log back in, log back in. Finish it. It gets better. It gets better? I promise no. Moral courage is our topic today.
Speaker 2:It is a tough one.
Speaker 1:It is a tough one.
Speaker 2:Everybody faces this at some point or another. I can't say every week, but I would say more than they realize it. Just simple things like okay, simple Now. Jesus said you know, if you can be trusted in little, you can be trusted in much. So let's just talk about the little things of moral courage. First of all, let's just define it, and I don't normally like to use the word in the definition, but you know, moral courage, the courage to take action for moral reasons despite the risk of adverse circumstances.
Speaker 1:And so I said this before the show yeah, and that adverse could be something dangerous, something difficult, something painful, something that stands out your reputation yeah people talk about you, whatever.
Speaker 2:So I said this before the show. I think it's worth saying now. Most people have boundaries on their morality. Most people not everybody, but most people have boundaries on their morality. So it's not a matter of do we have boundaries? The question is, who gets to set the boundaries? So do we let society set our boundaries for moral courage? Do we ourselves set the boundaries? Do we let other people like friends, family, work associates? Do we let the Bible set it?
Speaker 2:So, that's a very, very good question and it's something that I think all of us answer at some point in our lives. Who sets the boundaries for the moral courage in our lives? So let's just talk about something real simple that has probably happened to many of our listeners, and that is you're going to the grocery store, you're checking out. Now a lot of times you check out. You know self-check now and it's so easy to not check out everything and just put stuff in your basket. It's so easy to do that. But just say, you went through the old school and you actually went to the checker and the person at the check who was the checker, gave you back extra money.
Speaker 2:Now, that's very old school, because most people use their credit cards now.
Speaker 2:Right, but maybe they charged you too little for something or they didn't see something and you and they just didn't scan everything and they put it in your bag anyway and you're watching them and you realize, oh, they didn't charge me for that bag of apples. Are you going to say something? Something simple like that is a moral question. And do we have the courage to say, ma'am or sir, you didn't charge me for that. Could you check to make sure you charged me for that, and they can look on their scanner and they can say oh, you're right, thank you so much. Or you get out to the car and you realize you did a self-check but there's something in the bottom of your cart that you didn't pay for. Do you go back in and pay for it, or you just put it in your car and drive away so I and pay for it, or you just put it in your car and drive away, you know so I would think that's happened to so many people, so many people.
Speaker 1:And it's a great question of on those very simple things, because if we allow ourself to just blow it off on the simple things, it's easier to blow it off on the harder things as they come up in life yeah, and I I mentioned this, you know, pre-show when we were talking and it was really tough for me, I think back of when I was starting a business and I literally didn't have $5 in my name and you know, lady at the thing would give me $5 extra back and I'm like hmm.
Speaker 2:What do I do with five? I?
Speaker 1:can eat today, that's a good thing. Is this the Lord providing for me or testing you? And that's the whole key, and you have to look at that. And here's the thing that I've always erred on is, if you do the right thing, you're going to find that the right thing comes back to you in multiples, and I firmly believe that, and have I always gave the five bucks back comes back to you in multiples, you know, and, and I firmly believe that, and, and and uh have.
Speaker 1:I always gave the five bucks back. No, I'm, I'm being honest, right. You know, there's been times that I was down the road or just sit there and I deliberated the whole bat whole time and I walked out and I walked back in, walked out, walked in, you know, and I'm like what do I do? Or I didn't notice until they get the car, but I mean, I would probably say 99% of the time I've done it. You know, if I've caught it and all that stuff and and you know, I think that's one of the big things that you do is is it's.
Speaker 1:And what I was going to say earlier is what do you do? You know when, when you're doing it, but what do you do when other people aren't looking? Because, I mean, a lot of people will make the moral decision to do something when other people are, are looking, but what are you doing in the privacy of your home or the privacy of you're the only one that knows. So you could pull this off. Nobody in the world would know. You know Lord, you know angels, all that you know. They might know, but you know, are they gonna, you know, be mad at me I? There's always that self-justification, it's what are you doing when people aren't looking? I think that's one of the biggest things.
Speaker 2:So that is such an excellent point and I think that really is a statement of integrity of your person and your values and doing the right thing.
Speaker 2:Now, in today's society, the question who gets to define what is the right thing? And to me, that's where you go back to some very old school boundaries and say, okay, who's going to set the boundaries in my life? And so more courage. When you have one set of standards and you're facing pressure to do something else that's against your standards, are you going to cave in or not? And to me, if you're a parent and you still have kids at home, whether you do or not, if you still have children, you are. Whatever you're doing, you're also being an example for them, and so you're teaching.
Speaker 2:And if you're at the grocery store and that happens, what an opportunity for a lesson to teach your children. No, this is wrong. We don't take things that are not ours. Yes, we have to get out of the car seat and go back in the store. Or, you know, I didn't realize this until we're unpacking the groceries and I realized I have two pints of strawberries and I only paid for one. We're going to call the store and we'll take one back tomorrow, or whatever. So what a great lesson. And you might even ask the kids what should we do. You know I made a mistake. What should we do about this? Should we just ignore it? Should we go back? Should we go tomorrow on the way to school? What should we do about it? And what a great opportunity for a conversation with young minds to begin to teach them proper morality and boundaries.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one of the things that we got started down this path with my kids is they'd always want a you, you know a piece of chewing gum or something and they'd have the gum in there. And this one they're young or you know, and they're like can we have a piece? I'm like not till we pay for it. If you take it out and you start chewing on now, that's considered stealing because you haven't paid for it, you don't own it until you go up there and pay the lady time you give her some money and she says there's your receipt, then you own it, then you can break open that seal and it's considered stealing because you technically don't own it. They're not going to loan it to you, would? They? Probably be okay with it as long as you paid for it, sure, but I do not want to have that gray fuzzy area instilled in kids that can figure out where that gray fuzzy area is.
Speaker 1:It's a very distinct line and I think one of the things that you said is the old school, and I grew up old school with my father instilling these values in me, and I'm doing old school with my father instilling these values in me and and uh, I'm doing the same with my kids going. You know, there there's no gray areas, there's no. You know it's either this or this. And and if you can go down that path and and uh, stay firm on that, I think it's going to help them. You know, here's the one thing people, they people say they don't want boundaries. You know, everybody says you know there are no boundaries. I want to be able to do this, but most people operate better when they have boundaries, when they know how far they can go or how less they have to do. They want that boundaries in their life, from corporate leadership to just being you as a human right.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's true and, and I think, part of the challenge of parenthood, you know, especially when you have teenagers. Teenagers want to know their boundaries. Now they might not like the boundaries.
Speaker 2:They'll push them, they will push them, and so it's important for parents to be consistent. And if there's going to be a change in the boundaries, it's important to sit down with your children and talk about why there's a change in the boundaries, or why this okay, we're going to have this boundary until you're 14, and we're going to have this boundary until you're 18, or you know we're going to do this and this is why and it's I think it's important, not to say because I said so, let's talk about that but they're always pushing boundaries. They want to know what are the boundaries, and we ourselves know. We want to know what are the boundaries.
Speaker 2:If we work for a company, what are the boundaries? Can I come in late for work? Probably not. Can I skip a day at work? Probably not. Those are boundaries. They're not set by you, but you are agreeing to those boundaries because you're working for that company. And so the moral courage sometimes we have to admit that we've made a mistake and if that's up to that, I think that's part of moral courage and teaching our children and setting an example. If we've made a mistake at work, fessing up to that. Sometimes that might cost us our job. But the question is are we going to be doing that or not?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's one of the things I teach in corporate leadership is, you know and I think you said it best with the word consistent. And I don't care if you're a good manager, a bad manager, good leader, bad leader as long as you're consistent, because people do want boundaries, and you can be a very bad leader, as long as you're consistent, Not as long as you're not saying oh, you know, Dean, you can come in late, you know, but Susie, you have to be here early. Right, At that point you're not consistent. You're going to be throwing out different levels of things. People are going to get confused. They're going to lose respect for you as a leader.
Speaker 1:It's the same with you being a parent, right, you need to be consistent. You can't say don't do this and then the next time they do it say, oh, it's okay this time, right, You've got to stand the ground. Do the same thing be consistent. That's going to instill the morals. People aren't going to know what's good or bad. I mean, we've talked about morals and all that. Morals haven't been around. I mean, you know, morals have been around forever, but we know that there's a very big difference between you know, 10 people in a room and I guarantee those 10 people all have a different level of morale that they're going to standpoint and like, oh, that's okay, you can go do that or you can do this, and other people are like, absolutely not, you can't do that. And that's one of the big things is be consistent. I think that's such a strong word when you're trying to, you know, depart this to the younger generation or make a point to your employees.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So let's take a look at the Bible, because if we look at the Bible from the filter of moral courage, or just courage for faith and moral courage, because that's the topic for today there are so many people in the Bible that express that kind of courage in their lifetime because they were standing up for something they truly believed in was right, against some severe opposition. And I'm just going to pick one of them to me as a phenomenal example, and that is Esther in the Old Testament, and she stood up for what she believed was right. Yes, she had, you know, her uncle, you know Mordecai, encouraged her to do that, and she was asked, the people to fast and pray with her for three days. And so she realized, in being humble, that she needed the help of other people to stand up and have the strength and the courage to do what she did. Just a little side note for those listeners that have never been to Branson I think I was just telling Tim before the show.
Speaker 2:We were in Branson last fall saw an incredible performance of Queen Esther at the Sight and Sound Theater. I think it's only going through this October and then they're changing. So if you want a phenomenal presentation of the story of Esther and you have a chance to go to Branson, then I would encourage you to go. It is just an incredible, one of the best plays. We haven't done a lot of plays, but this is by far one of the best I have ever seen. Ever, I mean close to Broadway, I mean it's like a Broadway thing. It is really, really good. The costumes are incredible, the music is incredible, the acting is incredible, the stage presence, the animals on stage, everything is just. It just blew us away and it is definitely worth going. But what an incredible story of this woman who stood up. She had some boundaries she was not willing to cross, even though she faced incredible pressure to do so, and she literally changed world history. And I think that's part of the thing for us is, however we choose to stand on an issue, it could be something at the grocery store, it could be something at work, it could be something in their family.
Speaker 2:The decisions that we make really does change our history. It might be a small thing, but a small thing next time could be a bigger thing, and then a bigger thing and a bigger thing, and it sets us on a path that a year or two or five or 10 years from now, we think how did we get here? It's because back in 2024, we made a small decision that we realized now was a bad decision, and we're now paying the consequences of it because we keep making bad decisions. And so we have to think about the decisions that we make, especially in this area of moral courage, and say, okay, what are the consequences of it?
Speaker 2:Because, as I've taught young kids for years and years and years, we can literally do anything we want to do, but we just can't always choose the consequences. And so when we're making a decision, we're actually making two decisions at once. We're making the decision for whatever it is the topic, but we're also making a decision for the consequences, and sometimes we think we can control the consequences. Many times we can't control the consequences, especially if other people are involved, and so we want to be able to go to bed with a clean conscience and before God and other people. And so having the courage to sometimes say no, or courage to say you know what? I made a mistake on this one, kids, I'm really sorry, I should have said something else or should have done something else To me is a great lesson that we all need to learn.
Speaker 1:Nice. I was sitting there thinking, I was looking at my notes and I was talking about standing up for what is right and the thought came to ask you about a mission trip or something. This is random and we haven't talked about this. I don't know what it is. You think about it while I'm talking, so I don't know. You know standing up for what's right from a corporate standpoint, where we talk about. You know leaders with the moral courage, the courage to stand up for their principles, even when it's facing, you know, opposition.
Speaker 1:How many times have people went to bat for an idea or a concept or that? One person in the room, you know that didn't have a voice. I know I've done that many times over in my corporate career where, you know I didn't like the way things were going. I felt that there was a lot of deceptive stuff going on and I fought for a lot of people you know that they wanted to terminate them and do a lot of crazy stuff from a corporate standpoint that somebody had to have a voice and I knew they were going to give a voice and I think that's one of those things that you do that you feel good about. You know, no matter what the outcome, if they get fired or not, at least you stood up and you gave them a voice where they didn't have a voice. There wasn't even an option, and I think that's one of the things that's pretty awesome to think about.
Speaker 1:I think that more courage is to do what's right and be able to stand up for something. You know, sort of like I teach my kids about being a bully. You know, stand up. If you see somebody bullying somebody, then go stand up. I teach my son that all the time, and my daughter as well. She's a scrapper. I teach my son that all the time, and my daughter as well she's a scrapper. So it's, you know just, there's power in numbers a lot of times.
Speaker 2:It's so easy to not do that. It's so easy to just be silent and not stand up. And then the question is what are we teaching ourselves? Are we just always going to stay quiet, especially if we have kids? What lessons are we just always going to stay quiet? And, especially if we have kids, what lessons are we teaching them? And so we want to make sure that our kids, if at all possible, have a better life than we do.
Speaker 2:And so many little things that we do. They're watching us all the time. They're watching what we do, they're listening to what we say, they're listening to our tone of voice. They're listening to, if we're married, the relationship we have with our spouse. They're listening and watching everything. And so the question is what lesson are we teaching them? About moral courage and the courage to stand up for what's right? And and then, are we teaching them right and wrong? Are we teaching them no, like you said about the gum? No, that's stealing. We're not going to do that. Um, and what? Uh, how many implications does that same lesson have about other things? Um, and so it's so important to focus on that and make sure that we're grounded in it in order to live a life that displays moral courage. It's not just that we talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and one of the things is being consistent, persistent, and the thing that comes up in all our notes notes, and it's it's amazing how much it crosses the board of all our subjects is accountability. You know, um be accountable for holding yourself responsible for this right. Um, putting yourself in the place and and and and looking and doing a deep dive as of where your boundaries are and where you're set. Do you need to change those? Do you need to modify it? You know, over the years I've definitely modified mine. I've been a pretty moral person all my life, but I don't even deliberate at this point. Right in my life, you know, and I always did the right thing, but now it's not even a thought. You know, usually you have those conversations in your brain give the five bucks back take the five bucks, give the five.
Speaker 1:Now it's like, yeah, okay, you, you gave, you gave me too much, and and that. But that's what needs to happen, that's what needs to be instilled in our youth, uh, to be able to do the right thing quicker and not think about it, not worry about the gray area, and get it done. Uh, and I think society move along, you know, and be in a better place a lot of times if we can instill those.
Speaker 2:Yes. So that is important to start teaching when kids are young. Yes, it's just like let's just say you want to practice guitar. It's hard to start that when you're 25. You can do it and you can get good at it if you start that. But if you start when you're six and you start teaching the basics and theory and chord changes and all that kind of stuff, then over time, even though the fingers are small and they're not, you know, they don't really know how to work their fingers to make the right chords and the notes and everything like that but over time, consistently, it will just be muscle memory and that's what you're saying.
Speaker 2:It's heart memory, it's mind memory, it's just a memory because it's ingrained in us that we're not going to cross that boundary. There's a boundary there. We're not going to cross it. We might get pressure from our coworkers or friends or whatever, but we know that we're not going to cross that boundary. And if we do, I think it's so important to be able to have a family that we can go into and get support. When we know that we've crossed the boundary, instead of getting beat up, we can get encouraged and say okay, let's talk about what did we learn from this and not beat people up, just encourage them that the next time it comes up to do the right thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, I agree with you 100% and I think that's really where we need to go with. The moral right Is to be good, to be better every day. Make the baby steps that we can, and we talk about it all the time. And what can you change to get better every day? You know, make the baby steps that we can, and we talk about it all the time. And and uh, what can you change to get better?
Speaker 2:That's yep, that's it. So let's uh.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I have anything more to say about that.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Have any more to say. I don't know what you were talking about.
Speaker 1:As far as the mission trip Do, you have a story on there, I don't know, about moral or something, I don't get somebody in trouble. I mean it wasn't about you. I just was asking if there was something.
Speaker 2:I can make something up.
Speaker 1:No, I don't want you to make something up. You'll think of it tonight. I probably will.
Speaker 2:When I leave the studio I'll think, oh, I should have said that I know what he's talking about. He just called me, so I in my head a couple of times Something went down there you got some dad jokes to kind of wrap up the show. Today I don't even know what I got?
Speaker 1:You know I've got some really corny ones right and I told you I had a story that was really good, a big story, but it ended up with a dad joke and I thought the dad joke was great. I'm going to actually tell my son that because he loves telling dad jokes.
Speaker 2:He does.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, he loves this. I've got him a couple of dad joke books he's read for the last three years before we started this. Why did the cookie go to the doctor? Because he felt crummy. Oh See, I've got to tell my son that because I don't think I've told him. I try to think of the good jokes.
Speaker 2:See, I've got to tell my son that because I don't think I've told him.
Speaker 1:I try to think of the good jokes, oh, the good ones. I don't want him to go to school and tell a joke that's a groaner and moaner like we do right, oh, I've got a real groaner. We can pull it off because we know that's what dad jokes are supposed to do every once in a while. But I don't want him to go in there and be like what are you? Okay, I've got a real groaner. Oh, you've got a real groaner. I'm preparing for it.
Speaker 2:So were you a Star Trek fan, a Star.
Speaker 1:Wars fan. I was, I was both. I love both. Okay, so Star Trek, yeah, I love Star Trek, captain Kirk, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:So why did Captain Kirk have three ears, not Spock? I'm not talking about Spock.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about Captain Kirk. You know why I do not. Well, he had the left ear, he had the right ear and the final front ear. Nice, and I've told you this before and if you've never watched it, guys, and you never looked at this, there was a little thing that people did a photo shoot. They did this. It was hilarious. They went to a Renaissance fair and dressed in Captain Kirk outfits and stuff and they ran around the Renaissance fair with their like things where they're talking, and they had the red shirt guy and then it was Captain Kirk and Spock and they were like looking around like the people that they were being back into this old world. It was hilarious looking. Oh my gosh, I was watching all these photos going. You know how much fun those people had that day just running around.
Speaker 2:That would have been hilarious.
Speaker 1:Because everybody else was looking at them like what's going on. But I mean, that's the look that they would have gave back in the day. Who are these people in?
Speaker 2:these outfits. Talking on these little walkie-talkies, yes.
Speaker 1:And it was hilarious. So if you want to have a good joke on that one, just go out there and look at that one.
Speaker 2:Okay, I will think about that. All right, okay, what you got.
Speaker 1:You got a couple more. Let's see. We got a couple more. You don't have any good ones here.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, okay. So here's one Another groaner.
Speaker 1:Groaner.
Speaker 2:What is an astronaut's favorite board game? An astronaut's favorite board game. They might do this in the space station. I don't know, I don't know Moonopoly.
Speaker 1:Moonopoly, I love it. Well, my wife, you know here a couple weeks ago just got back from Napa. She had a business trip and she had to go to Napa and while she was up there and you know, there was a grape that was on the floor and she stepped on it and it let out a little wine. Oh, I will tell you this one. I did like this one. I told you this one, for what do you call a man with a rubber toe? Roberto?
Speaker 2:I like that one.
Speaker 1:I do too. I sort of like that one. There wasn't too many I really liked, so yeah, what you got, we got any more. One more.
Speaker 2:I know we try to keep these down to a certain time, but what do you call a broken clock?
Speaker 1:Broken clock. I've heard this one, but I don't remember what it was A waste of time, waste of time. Waste of time. Nice, all right, good on dad jokes. Hey, I want to do something a little bit different, and this was based on somebody, uh, somebody's comment that that sent us stuff on our, our website. If you, if you haven't been there, hit us up, you can send us messages, stuff, biblical leadership, showcom. Um, there was, there was a person out there that asked us to pray for them and I thought, well, instead of saying names and all this stuff, maybe we could just pray for our show, our listeners and stuff. Maybe have you just say a prayer and we can do a little prayer on that. I thought that would be a good way just to sort of tell them that we got their message and I'd responded back a couple of times. But let them know that we care about everybody. I think that'd be great if you would please.
Speaker 2:I will lead us in prayer, so let's pray. Heavenly Father, I lift up all our listeners. Life is hard sometimes and we go through difficult circumstances. So, for those people who are having a physical challenge, as I pray for your divine healing and I pray for the doctors, I thank you for the medical community and all the technology that's available and the medicine and their wisdom that you have given them, but I just pray for your healing to be revealed in their situations and for those people who are having a difficult time in relationships. I pray for your grace and your forgiveness and mercy in that situation. I pray for those parents that are struggling with their work or struggling raising their kids, struggling at home to make ends meet. I pray that they would see you as their divine supply and that you would bless them abundantly. I do pray for our show that we would always honor your son Jesus and lift him up in all that we think, say and do. So I give you thanks for this opportunity and I pray all this in Jesus' name, amen.
Speaker 1:Amen Well, thank you there.
Speaker 2:Dr Dean, you're welcome, brother.
Speaker 1:But yes, you know, check us out and if you have a prayer request and all that or anything that you'd like to talk about or send us some good dad jokes, hit us up. Biblicalleadershipshowcom. Other than that, dr Dean's going to take us out.
Speaker 2:Yes, but we've got something before A couple of days. We're going to be sure to look at the website. I don't know when it's going to be posted, but we have a date with axe throwing.
Speaker 1:Axe throwing.
Speaker 2:Check it out A couple of days from now and it's going to be so much fun. Maybe we'll make that our photo shoot.
Speaker 1:We need some photos for the website.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Look at our pretty faces up there. Absolutely, yeah, check us out. We're going to start posting a lot more stuff up on there. We're sort of starting to catch up with ourselves and doing everything and there's going to be a lot more stuff coming up there and we've got some big plans. But other than that, guys, we thank you. We thank you for listening, thank you for putting up our dad jokes and hopefully you get some tidbits of wisdom out of this show. And other than that, dr Dean, take us out, make it a great day. Make it a great day. Thank you, guys. Bye-bye.