Biblical Leadership Show
Quenching the Soul's Thirst Through Teachability and Transformation
Summer's scorch is upon us, and we reminisce about the fleeting nature of time and the importance of quenching our thirst—literally and metaphorically. As we exchange tales of triathlon prep in the Texas heat, we dive into the transformative power of teachability. From our personal fitness journeys to deep dives into Matthew and John, we underscore the need for humility and vulnerability in learning, be it in leadership roles or spiritual growth. Our hearty chat promises to nudge you toward a path of continuous self-improvement and reflection, all while keeping it light with some hydration humor.
Have you ever tried to change a habit and found yourself wrestling with your own stubbornness? Dr. Posey and I explore the often-overlooked challenge of unlearning and the joy of acquiring new skills, whether perfecting a swim stroke or shifting our professional mindset. Our conversation is peppered with interactive demonstrations and candid admissions of our own struggles, encouraging you to reframe your responses to mistakes with a chuckle and a will to bounce back stronger. It's a reminder that adapting our attitudes is a marathon, not a sprint, and we're all in it together.
We wrap things up with an important history lesson from the Bible, reflecting on King Rehoboam's pitfalls and the stark consequences of closed-mindedness. His tale isn't just ancient history—it's a modern-day call to action for embracing servant leadership and humility. As we sign off with a few dad jokes to lighten the mood, we invite you to ponder the lessons of summer and the formation of new habits—plus, we're always eager to hear your thoughts, be it your best (or worst) dad joke, a prayer request, or an insightful comment on teachability. Join us for an episode that's equal parts enlightening and entertaining, and don't forget to stay hydrated!
Summer's scorch is upon us, and we reminisce about the fleeting nature of time and the importance of quenching our thirst—literally and metaphorically. As we exchange tales of triathlon prep in the Texas heat, we dive into the transformative power of teachability. From our personal fitness journeys to deep dives into Matthew and John, we underscore the need for humility and vulnerability in learning, be it in leadership roles or spiritual growth. Our hearty chat promises to nudge you toward a path of continuous self-improvement and reflection, all while keeping it light with some hydration humor.
Have you ever tried to change a habit and found yourself wrestling with your own stubbornness? Dr. Posey and I explore the often-overlooked challenge of unlearning and the joy of acquiring new skills, whether perfecting a swim stroke or shifting our professional mindset. Our conversation is peppered with interactive demonstrations and candid admissions of our own struggles, encouraging you to reframe your responses to mistakes with a chuckle and a will to bounce back stronger. It's a reminder that adapting our attitudes is a marathon, not a sprint, and we're all in it together.
We wrap things up with an important history lesson from the Bible, reflecting on King Rehoboam's pitfalls and the stark consequences of closed-mindedness. His tale isn't just ancient history—it's a modern-day call to action for embracing servant leadership and humility. As we sign off with a few dad jokes to lighten the mood, we invite you to ponder the lessons of summer and the formation of new habits—plus, we're always eager to hear your thoughts, be it your best (or worst) dad joke, a prayer request, or an insightful comment on teachability. Join us for an episode that's equal parts enlightening and entertaining, and don't forget to stay hydrated!
all right, welcome to another exciting episode of the biblical leadership show. My name is tim lansford, and with me is dr dean posey dr. Dr dean, how are?
Speaker 2:you doing on this fine morning, how you doing we are doing pretty good.
Speaker 1:I can't complain, you know. So how's things been going since last week. You've been doing good. Good Been doing real good we're you know, just pushing into June here.
Speaker 2:Yes. And starting the summer, the kids out of school and all kinds of stuff. It's hard to believe that five months of the year is already gone. Right, right, wow.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Someone told me a long time ago that the older you get, the days pass slowly, but the years pass quickly.
Speaker 1:Yes, I could see that I can see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm seeing it more and more frequently.
Speaker 1:I mean you're just like the triathlon stud here. You know you get up and actually go do things, where a lot of people just sit and sleep and do nothing.
Speaker 2:Right, and well, this time of year you've got to be on your bike or you know, if you're swimming in the pool, it's no big deal, right, right. But if you're, if you're going to be on your bike or you're going to be running, you better be out by 6 o'clock in the morning, yes, or it's going to be so hot that you've got to really think about fluid intake. I mean, you've got to worry about it anyway, but you can get dehydrated pretty quick. Here in Texas, if you start out at like 9 o'clock in the morning, it's already 90-something degrees and that's just brutal on your body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're down here in Dallas actually Arlington areas is really where we're we're broadcasting our studio, but yeah, it gets hot. I mean it was pushing nineties back in May, right, so and then you know we're getting ready to ramp up, we're in those triple digits and all that stuff just coming right around the corner and it's going to stay like that all summer down here. But I mean I love it hot. You love hot, I love hot. It's just great.
Speaker 2:You mean good, you mean good Family's good.
Speaker 1:Good good.
Speaker 2:Good Just your triathlon.
Speaker 1:I'm spending time in the gym, so we'll just be machines by December or something.
Speaker 2:That's our goals. Right. Might be a broken machine, so, like the tin man in Wizard of Oz, I just needed some more oil. I wish that would work Exactly right.
Speaker 1:So hopefully recap, you know out of last week Hopefully you started reading your Bible. Last week we sort of talked a little bit about spiritual discipline, so hopefully you started doing it a little bit. You know we were sort of pitching. I'd like you to start. If you haven't, don't turn us off, but after this show put it down and go download a Bible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just go read a chapter in the Bible. Start it with Matthew, chapter 1, or John, chapter 1. It's a great chapter. So what are we talking about today? We're talking about teachability.
Speaker 1:Is that what we're talking about today?
Speaker 2:We are that I mean. Thank you for letting me know so just catching up with myself.
Speaker 1:I was no, no, no, we talked a little bit about teachability because it's an interesting topic, right.
Speaker 2:It's an interesting topic that I think applies to everybody through their entire life, and it's so simple the ability to be taught. Are you willing to be taught? I mean, are you willing to?
Speaker 1:learn something. Are you willing to be taught? I mean, are you willing to learn something? That's it. Are you willing?
Speaker 2:The show's over right.
Speaker 1:We're done All right. Well, thank you for coming Check out Biblical Leadership Show. You know, yeah, the quality of being able to and willing to learn is the concept of teachability, right?
Speaker 2:But it's not just cognitive learning. Am I going to take what I've learned and put it into practice and make it a life skill? So teachability to me has two parts. We could pretend that we know it or say that we know it, but then actually getting out and actually practicing. That is an entirely different thing. They're like two sides of the same coin, and so we're not just talking about cognitive learning. We're talking about life change to incorporate what we've learned into our life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and sort of like you know, what are we going to learn from reading that Bible, right, sort of? That's the discipline that goes along with it. And teachability. You know, being open to some of the messages that might come out of the Bible, or reading a book or corporate leadership or some of these things, and that's what it is. It's a deeper thing, teachability.
Speaker 2:Correct, and it requires humility, because we have to recognize that we don't know everything and that there's ways for us to improve in different areas of our life.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you something because from a corporate leadership, you know when I'm doing seminars and stuff and I have no problem saying I don't know. You know when I'm doing seminars and stuff and I have no problem saying I don't know. But let's turn this out to your, the minister of church. Everybody looks up to you. You've been there for 40, 50 years. You got a doctor in front of your, your name. You know what. What if you don't know?
Speaker 2:I tell them I don't know.
Speaker 1:But I mean, there's a lot of people that have problems with that, wouldn't they?
Speaker 2:Some do. I would think that's true with any area of expertise. I think one of the worst mistakes we can ever make is to assume that we know everything, and so I remember when my kids were little they'd ask me some very profound questions, as kids often do to their parents and I would say this you know, that's a really great question and I don't know the answer, and just be honest about that.
Speaker 1:I don't know that. I've ever said that. Yeah, you should just practice that I always know all the answers. I'm just kidding. And what topic are we on today?
Speaker 2:Teachability. Okay, we're done. I know everything right.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, no, no, and you have to. You know, and I'm always timed, I'm like that's a great question. Let's ask Dr Google, you know, and that's a good start, right. And then we go down a rabbit hole like where do we do that? And how does that lead us to the next thought? Because you don't ever just take one opinion and you go down deeper rabbit holes and ask why and that's one of the biggest things that I teach people in seminars and coaches and instructors and I'm teaching is the value of why.
Speaker 1:Why is probably the most important question that you can ask to find out the truth. That gets you down to the root cause. It's sort of like one of my icebreakers you know what kind of animal you would be, what kind of superhero you'd be, whatever it might be. But I mean, everybody can say eagle in the class, but why would everybody be an eagle? Because not every, not one of us usually have the same reason that we chose that in the icebreaker. So I use that why? And that really gets down to the root cause about why that person chose that. And you know how did they get to that level, that direction, to be able to go? I am this person, I am teachable, I've learned and the wisdom and whatever it might be, yes.
Speaker 2:So I would say that I sent this to someone the other day and it's about an eagle. You happen to talk about eagles. I'm just going to throw this in. It has nothing to do with the topic.
Speaker 1:Sweet, that's what we did. I mean, that was our last show, right? I mean we talked about stuff that was not part of the subject, but that's great.
Speaker 2:So a crow will try to attack an eagle, okay, and they do that by landing on the back of the eagle, and they do that by landing on the back of the eagle. And so the question is, once the crow is on the back of an eagle, how does the eagle get the crow off of it? Okay, and just think about this when you have little things that annoy you and all of us have little things that annoy us and so what happens is the eagle doesn't try to get the crow off, okay, the eagle just flies higher. And here's the quote the crow off. Okay, the eagle just flies higher. And here's the quote the higher the flight, the harder it is for the crow to breed and to hold on until it eventually falls off due to lack of oxygen. Learn from the eagle and don't spend your time fighting crows. Just keep ascending. They may be along for the ride in the beginning, but they'll soon fall off. Do not allow yourself to succumb to these petty distractions. Keep your focus on the things above and keep rising.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, I thought, wow. That's so great.
Speaker 2:And so that's so true. So many times we get so distracted by little petty things.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that could be in our family, it could be in our job Excuse me or it could be any kind of things. And the teachability part is to stay focused on our topic, on our goal, on our list of things to do or whatever. Sometimes it's very important to have a detour. If someone is needing our help, okay, and that's not necessarily a detour. It's helping people. But there's sometimes so many little attitudes or someone cuts us off. We're going to the office and someone cuts in front of us in traffic and it literally ruins our day and it's like no, that's those little petty things. Just don't let those little stuff bother you. Or you go to the drink machine and the drink you want is out, or the coffee machine doesn't work. Don't let those little petty things ruin your day. So the teachability is you know what? I'm letting little things get in the way of me having a great day, and that happens too often. What can I do to not do that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's one thing I'm doing with my kids. They say something about you know the sister's bothering this person. I'm like how are they bothering you? Well, they did this and this. I'm like, no, no, how is that bothering you? Well, it just does. I'm like, well, does it?
Speaker 1:I said here's the thing People can't control your emotions. Only you can control your emotions. I said if somebody does something you don't like and you get mad about it, you choose to get mad. They didn't make you mad. I said you could choose to smile and laugh at them at the same response. I said you, people don't choose your emotions. You choose your emotions and I'm always constantly asking because that teachability, you know, I, I want to be able to. I, I'm a person that things roll off me. I, I, I, I don't get worked up on stuff. I just sort of if. If you ever see me get worked up, my guys have seen me where it worked up like two or three times ever in like 30 years in construction and different things, and they just start running because things are going to blow right.
Speaker 2:There's something going down here, right.
Speaker 1:And they're like you know, and uh, but yeah, I don't I, I things roll off me pretty well and I'm trying to teach that patience and that that wisdom to my kids. Where they they can, they can be at peace on that and not let every little thing bother them.
Speaker 2:But what a great life lesson for anybody. Bother them, but what a great life lesson for anybody. And that is we get to choose how we respond to the things that happen to us. Okay, we might not always be able to choose what happens to us, but we can always choose how we respond to what happens to us. And what a great life lesson. And we just need to continually be reminded of that lesson.
Speaker 1:The way it works is a lot of people they do it to get energy. They have an energy deficit and they're trying to get that energy. They're trying to suck your energy from you and if you just put your walls up and go, no, no, it's not going to happen, and you don't give them that energy, then they get bored with it. They're going to go to the next person. It's like the bully thing. If he just rolls off you, then they're not going to bully you because they're like well, this isn't any fun, right?
Speaker 2:Well, a great book on this topic Man's Search for Meaning by a man by the name of Viktor Frankl. What an incredible guy this was. He was a POW in World War II.
Speaker 1:Sponsored by Franklin Franklin. We need to get Franklin Franklin here, right?
Speaker 2:Anyway, victor Franklin phenomenal individual, but he was a prisoner of war, world War II and so he could not control what happened to him. But he came to the conclusion that I can always choose how I respond to what happens to me.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And what a great lesson. So if you want to read more about that, look up Man's Search for Meaning. Great book, classic book for decades and definitely worth reading at least one time. Man's Search for Meaning yeah, I'm going to write that down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I've mentioned it here before where I think I've mentioned it here before, I'm pretty sure I did when I was going over to talk to somebody about listing this house in my real estate company and ended up a long story that found out this guy was in the Japanese death march, right, and man, they started telling stories and his war buddy showed up and man, it was just amazing and I learned a lot about the mentality and how you go about things and how he survived some of the different things. That was an amazing thing and there was a lot of teachability moments there. When I was listening to him, you know that you could come back to how you. It goes back into this one right, how you train your brain basically to look at the positives. Look at there there is an escape, there is an end to this, there is something like that, and I got a lot from him and it was a pretty awesome listening to the stories. That would have been a phenomenal thing.
Speaker 2:So let's talk about teachability, because if we're going to, if there's a willingness to learn, then sometimes there needs to be a willingness to unlearn, because we have learned the wrong thing or we have to change our paradigm or we have to look at a person or a topic differently, and so part of the learning process is really unlearning what is not healthy. So we need to unlearn that, and that is hard. I'll just take, for example, swimming. Okay, in the triathlon, I was never a good swimmer. I didn't have swimming lessons.
Speaker 2:I mean, we swam at the Y when I was young and you just go out there and, okay, you're a minnow, or now you're a porpoise, or now you're a shark or whatever you know, but no one ever taught me how to actually swim right, you just get out there and do it. I might have had one or two swim lessons, but I was so young I don't remember, but I've never had really good swimming form. Well, in order for me to do that in the last year and a half, I've had to unlearn some things about my arm movement or my kick or my body position in the water. That is really difficult. You can think about it while you're on land, but once you get in the pool, your old habits just kick in automatically, and so it takes a lot of time to unlearn something and to incorporate the new part in your life and that would be true with just about anything. So we have to be willing to unlearn if we're going to learn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I teach it in the seminars. I don't know I might have done it here. The crossing arms have I ever made you cross your?
Speaker 2:arms.
Speaker 1:No, cross your arms over there. Everybody cross your arms out there in the listening world, right, and the heuristics and stuff. A lot of times we have to untrain our brain to do something and I tell people to cross their arms. So just you cross your arms. Seven out of 10 people put their left over the right. Don't know why. Just it's a statistic. And if you're backwards, I don't know why either. Right, I'm just saying but here's what you do is, whatever one's on top, you put that one on bottom and go the opposite way. And to most people you're going to be like what is this? This is really weird. And then you go back to the normal way and what it is.
Speaker 1:Your brain takes shortcuts. So once it learns it from birth, your brain doesn't think about what you're trying to do, which way to cross arms. It instantly goes I'm left over right or right over left, whatever it might be, and that's your shortcut. And that's one of the things we do. I do the same thing where I have people stand up and I have them look at the PowerPoint up there. And whenever I say up, that means you need to point down, I went left, you need to point right, then forward.
Speaker 1:I need you to kick your foot up in the ground, whatever it might be, and it takes a while to do that, whatever it might be, and, and, and it takes a while to do that, and, uh, once you do that and you, you can do it.
Speaker 1:I can do it for five minutes and everybody's got it. It's sort of like I have another one where it's colors and I have the color green but I have the word red and, uh, the red is there. So people read red, but the thing's green, and then their brain gets around it within the first minute. They're like about three slides into it. They're like now they got it and their thing is that retraining. So it's that unlearning your habitual ways and retraining into the new way of thinking. And that's what we're sort of talking here. You know how to unlearn and it takes a lot but it is easy. And it takes a lot but it is easy and I demonstrate it all the time in my seminars that it only takes a couple minutes to really untrain your brain and learn a different way.
Speaker 2:And if that is an attitude, you know it might be an action. You know one thing is an action to learn a new action. Okay, like a golf swing. It might take a while to learn a new golf swing. Then you got it An attitude might take a lot.
Speaker 1:That's a bad example. I've learned new golf swings all the time.
Speaker 2:I'm not a golfer, so I'm not, I am a golfer.
Speaker 1:I have it down and then it changes. Two weeks later. I'm like, what happened? Then I go back. I'm like, oh yeah, let's blame it on humidity or something. Okay.
Speaker 2:But an attitude might take a lot longer to change. You know the way you look at people, the way you look at the world, the way you look at your past, the way you look at the people that have influenced you in your life, or whatever. That might take a lot longer to actually change your view than just learning a new task.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right. And you know, basically when we talk about this, it's being open, you know, looking at things, and one of the things from a corporate leadership I say that is open to feedback. You know, are you open to hearing, to get information about what you did wrong, whether it's attitude, what's your way you're doing something, and if you can get into this, this constructive criticism or constructive feedback if you want to say the new term, right, you know, it allows you to move to the next level, it allows you to make better. Here's the thing when I, uh, when I do something really silly, I don't know if, uh, you know how you go about it, but I, I sort of laugh at things a lot of times.
Speaker 1:If I do something and I'm like, really, I did that Seriously, I did that Right and it's an attitude, I changed my thought where I used to get mad, and there's a couple of things I won't say that I've put in place, that every time I do it, I picture this one or two things and it makes me laugh and it changes my thing from mad to happy all in there. But you train your brain, you train who you are and that's that teachability that you're trying to do to replace that attitude. And that's the same. When, when the corporate world, you're getting this feedback a lot of people and I've been in HR and all that stuff for years they get mad. Right, that's first first reaction. They get mad, they stomp out, but then they always come back the next day and go. Thank you, I thought about what you said and you're right, you know and go thank you.
Speaker 2:I thought about what you said and you're right, and I just wanted to tell you that I'm like okay, thank you, it's part of it, right? Yes, so let's talk about the consequences of unteachability, and there's several examples in the Bible. But I want to do something rarely done on the podcast and I'm just going to read a passage of Scripture that's about 15 verses long. It's in the book of 1 Kings, chapter 12. It's the transition between when Solomon was king and his son, rehoboam was king, and it's the consequences of non-teachability. And so this is what we read in 1 Kings 11, beginning with verse 42, and then starting with chapter 12. We'll just read this and the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was 40 years, and Solomon slept with his fathers and was buried in the city of David. His father and Rehoboam, his son, reigned in his place. Now that's the end of chapter 11. Now here's the start of chapter 12.
Speaker 2:Rehoboam went to Shechem, for all Israel had come to Shechem to make him king. As soon as Jeroboam who was not related, the son of Nebat heard of it, for he was still in Egypt where he had fled from King Solomon. Then Jeroboam returned from Egypt and they sent and called him and Jeroboam and all the assembly of Israel came and said to Rehoboam your father made our yoke heavy. Now, therefore, lighten the hard service of your father and his heavy yoke on us and we will serve you. He said to them go away. And this was Rehoboam saying this.
Speaker 2:Then King Rehoboam took counsel with the old men who had stood before Solomon, his father, while he was yet alive, saying how do you advise me to answer this people? And they said to him if you will be a servant to this people today and serve them and we've talked about servant leadership before and speak good words to them when you answer them, then they will be your servants forever. But Rehoboam abandoned the counsel that the old men gave him I mean, he wasn't teachable and took counsel with the young men who had grown up with him and stood before him. And he said to them what do you advise that we answer this? People who had said to me lighten the yoke that your father put on us and the young men who had grown up with him, which means they had no experience. So if you're going to learn something from somebody, you want to be sure that they've had some experience in what you're trying to learn right. And they said to him thus, shall you speak to this people who said to you your father made our yoke heavy, but you lighten it for us. Thus, shall you say to them, my little finger is thicker than my father's thighs and now, whereas my father laid on you a heavy yoke, I will add to your yoke my father disciplined you with whips, but I will discipline you with scorpions.
Speaker 2:So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam the third day, as the king said, come to me again this third day. And the king answered the people harshly and forsaking the counsel that the old men had given him, and he spoke to them according to the counsel of the young men, saying my father made you your yoke heavy, but I will add to your yoke. My father disciplined you with whips, but I will discipline you with scorpions. So the king did not listen to the people and that literally changed world history. I mean, it changed the kingdom.
Speaker 2:We won't go into all the trouble that the king had because he wasn't teachable. Well, he thought he was teachable because he listened to the young guys that he grew up with and they really had no experience. But here was some older gentleman that was trying to give him some advice. He goes I'm not going to take it, and you go back in the Bible. You read the rest of those first kings, starting with chapter 15 and on, and it was just one tragedy after another in the king's life and for several generations, just because he was not teachable. So the lesson that we can get from that one passage is our unteachability doesn't just affect us. It literally can affect our children, our company, for generations, and so we need to think about what are we doing? How is it affecting the people that I employ, that work with me? How does it affect my family? How does it affect my coworkers or whatever? And gives you a bigger picture on why teachability is so important and why unteachability is so dangerous.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That's all I got for today.
Speaker 1:That's all I got for today. That's all you got for today.
Speaker 2:I got some dad jokes, but I just don't know, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to. I want to know more of the story here. I don't know the story that well, so I know some. I've got some reading. It's a tragic story. Reading reading to do it really is I mean the tragedy of.
Speaker 2:Well, it really started with Solomon a little bit, but it really after that with Rehoboam and his decisions, and that wasn't just the first one, that was the first one he made was bad, but he just kept making bad decisions and a lot of it was because he was not teachable and it sounded like, if you read the story from one perspective, it sounds like he was proud of the fact. If you read the story from one perspective, it sounds like he was proud of the fact. You know, he was king, he knew everything, even though he was young and wasn't teachable, and affected the whole country, not just his life and his family.
Speaker 1:So anyway, I like it. Yeah, oh yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker 1:We're done, we're done, we're done, no, and we will finish. We're done, no, and we will finish up here in a second. But you know, and there's a couple of things that I have on the corporate leadership yeah, continuous leader, continuous learning, openness to feedback, adaptability, humility. We talked a lot about humility last week. You know, if you don't have the answers, if you, you know you're going looking and don't be the know-it-all of the group and I tell people when it's sort of the similar thing, when you talk about, that is a lot of the people you know, the baby boomers and some of the older generations, us, you know, um, you know, a lot of times we put our balls up. We've done it this way forever and we continue to do it this way.
Speaker 1:Companies make the mistakes all the time in doing this. This is the way we've always done it. Why do we do this? And some of the younger generations come in and challenge them why are we doing this? Just because it's the way we've always done it, but there's a better way? No, there's not. This is the way, better way to do it. It's just a lot of times they're not open and receptive to receive that feedback, and that's when it comes from a teachable leader.
Speaker 1:In the corporate leadership is, there's always somebody smarter. There's always somebody that sees something a little bit different. You just got to be able to open your eyes as a leader and to relax, and you know you don't have to change, but be open to hearing the change. And and uh, you know, and in this case, you know if it would have been, you know that that, uh, he went a different path that would have changed the results. And how many times corporations have uh look back, that they, if they could have changed the results, right, you know. And uh, blockbuster and some of the ones we use all the time, right, they, we wouldn't even have known Netflix and all these other companies, because, I mean, they would have still had the market to this day cornered, probably on online rentals, if they would have probably listened. I'm sure there's some young kid out there that said, no, this is the way to go.
Speaker 1:They're like, nah, these tapes and all this stuff's going to be there forever because I guarantee there was some younger kid working the store, going you need to get into this and nobody would listen.
Speaker 2:So in the church world it has been said for years that the last eight words of a dying church are we have never done it that way before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so it's like no, we're not going to do it because we've never done it that way, we're not open to anything new. That's not just true with churches, it's so true with companies, and you've got to be willing to be learned, to teach, to adapt. Now, in the church world, we don't adapt the gospel. We might adapt the way we present the gospel, but we don't water down the gospel to present it. The gospel is still the gospel. Jesus is still Lord, still forgiveness and his death and resurrection. We don't water that down, but we might change the way we present it and, depending upon the audience, it might take a different avenue of presentation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly right. Another one of my stuff is emotional intelligence. You know, and and I always tell people is is put yourself in the other person's shoes, you know, walk in, walk in their shoes to to see if, if, maybe there's a different way to do it, maybe there's something, a teachable moment you can, you can look at. I always tell people when I teach my, my seminars, teach my seminars there probably isn't one session that I'm out there talking eight hours a day that I don't learn something from my students and I'm supposed to be the person who knows everything, but I always learn from my students. They always give me some kind of tidbit or something that I didn't know. That I love and I'm a huge fan of education in general and learning. I mean, I live for that. You know that's my fun, you know some of my passion and you know it's just be open to be able to receive some of this stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, you have students from all over the country that come to your seminars, and so there's no way that you can have the same experience as all of those students all the time, and so when they share an experience or they have a question, there's a high probability that of all your students in the class. There's no way you can predict the questions, you don't know their experience, and so you think, oh yeah, I can get that and incorporate it into my next time I give this talk, and to me that just shows the humility and the teachability, and the more we have that, I just think the better leader we can be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one of the things. Whenever somebody asks me a question in some of my seminars, the first thing I tell is I would like you guys to answer the question for him or her, because I want the audience, because everybody brings a different opinion. You know, we've been all down different walks of life and and that's that's sort of part of it. You know, until I answer, I said I will give you an answer. I have an answer in my head, but I want to hear from the audience first how they would handle it and then I'll give you my honest opinion, because we all handle things differently and if you hear it, especially if you hear it two or three times from different people and not just once from the instructor, it really cements in and that's where the teachability comes. So, all right, dr Posey, I see you, I saw that sheet you pulled out and I know what that sheet looks like.
Speaker 2:It's got, you know daisies, it's daisies over there.
Speaker 1:It's got this big clown-looking guy on it with you know big shoes, and I'm like, oh what kind is this?
Speaker 2:It must be my dad joke page.
Speaker 1:It must be his dad joke page coming out.
Speaker 2:Okay, here we go. I'll start it off and we'll just go downhill from there.
Speaker 1:I like it, let's do that.
Speaker 2:Here, let's do that. Here we go. Two windmills were sitting on a hill. One asked the other do you have a favorite song? The other replies well, all my life I've been a heavy metal fan.
Speaker 1:Oh boy.
Speaker 2:I told you, let's just go down. We can go nothing but downhill from there.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I can't remember what I used last week and what I just told you, just to tell you. So I was trying to remember.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:Did I mention why was the broom late to help out the church? Yes, did I say that last week?
Speaker 2:No, you said that before the show.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, why was the broom late to help out at church?
Speaker 2:Because he swept late.
Speaker 1:Overslept, he overswepped, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Overswept. Okay, oh, hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go, you got one more.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, the other day I was attacked by clowns in the parking lot right out here.
Speaker 1:See, that's why you got clowns drawn on your page right. Your doodles were clowns.
Speaker 2:Well, I won because I went right for the juggler.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I actually love that one. That's great, you like that one, I like that one.
Speaker 2:You like that one? Okay, well, we're going to mark that down.
Speaker 1:Put that on the thing the list. We better stop there, because we're just going to go downhill from there. We actually threw a good one out, so unless you got one more, yes, because I have one closely related.
Speaker 2:It's not a parking lot joke, it's actually a sidewalk joke.
Speaker 1:I'd like to thank all the sidewalks in the world because they keep me off the streets. All right, do you have? Like a boo, I don't have my rim shot turned up there you go, there you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, there we go. Hey guys, check us out. Biblicalleadershipshowcom. Please send us a dad joke. Yeah, please send us a dad joke. Biblicalleadadershipshowcom. Please send us a dad joke. Yeah, please send us a dad joke. Biblicalleadershipshowcom. Check us out. Send us prayer requests anything that you might have Other than that, man, I hope you're having a great time. Enjoy running into this new month and this summer.
Speaker 1:And summer is a big thing. I mean I don't know if you have kids and you're changing routines and whatever it might be, but I mean a lot of times in summer in general is a good time to make new paths right, to do things differently, because either your time changes and you're out of your routine with kids and or you might have an extra little time, based in the evenings where it's lighter, longer or whatever it might be. But this is a good time to you know, to become more teachable and open your eyes and see what you can learn.
Speaker 2:And for those of you are in the deep south and the heat, just say stay hydrated. Yeah that is a very important lesson.
Speaker 1:Words of advice from a triathlete.
Speaker 2:Just stay hydrated.
Speaker 1:Me. I stay hydrated in a nice air-conditioned cool gym so we're good there Other than that, thank you for joining us as always, and I'll let Dr Tavosi take us out with Make it a great day.
Speaker 2:Thank you.