Biblical Leadership Show
The Biblical Leadership Show podcast explores timeless principles of leadership through a biblical lens, offering insightful discussions and practical wisdom for leaders seeking to integrate faith and leadership in their personal and professional lives. Join us as we delve into biblical narratives, lessons, and values to inspire and equip leaders to make a positive impact in their communities and organizations.
Biblical Leadership Show
Integrity Through Innocent Eyes: Merging Childlike Wisdom and Leadership Principles for Genuine Connection
What does integrity mean to a nine-year-old? Prepare to be enlightened as we welcome Dr. Dean and my delightful daughter, Elisa, to this heartwarming episode. After facing a personal loss, Dr. Dean returns with renewed vigor to explore the essence of integrity in speech and leadership. Elisa offers a refreshingly innocent yet profound perspective, drawing parallels between integrity and respect. Together, we unpack the importance of aligning our words with our values, ensuring honesty and truthfulness guide our actions.
Shining a light on corporate leadership, we delve into why transparency and consistency are paramount. Honest communication, especially during tough times, can make all the difference in maintaining team morale and productivity. Is integrity something we're born with, or can it be nurtured? We explore this thought-provoking question and sprinkle in some humor, including dad jokes and a whimsical chat about teddy bears, underscoring the essence of personal connection in nurturing integrity.
Body language speaks volumes, and we discuss how physical cues can betray dishonesty and the importance of maintaining positive non-verbal communication. Drawing from biblical wisdom, we highlight the Apostle Paul's teachings on integrity and truthfulness. The virtues of characters like Joseph, Moses, Ruth, Daniel, and Mary Magdalene bring ancient wisdom to our modern-day challenges. With gratitude and a few laughs, we wrap up this engaging conversation, celebrating the timeless values of honesty and integrity. Join us for an episode that promises both insight and heartwarming moments!
Welcome, welcome, welcome to another exciting episode of the Biblical Leadership Show. Hey Tim, how you doing? How you doing, Dr Dean, how are you?
Speaker 2:doing. I'm doing good. It's good to be back.
Speaker 1:Glad to have you back in studio. Back in the studio. Yeah, I, you know I are you doing, I'm doing good. It's good to be back. Glad to have you back in studio. Back in the studio. Yeah, I missed you.
Speaker 2:Well, I miss being here, but, like you said last week doing solo, which you did a great job, so thank you so much.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had to take care of some family things.
Speaker 2:I have three sisters. My youngest sister got real sick and passed away.
Speaker 1:So sorry to hear it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a sad thing. She's a great lady and she just had some physical challenges for lots of years and this last episode just was really tough. So we were out in Utah and Arizona and taking care of family things and those kind of things. But we're back.
Speaker 1:We're back, we'll be back in studio. Got the dad jokes ready to go today. I've got pages of dad jokes.
Speaker 3:They've been piling up just like a volcano, if you listen to the solo.
Speaker 1:I was waiting for Dr B to get back. I know you really built me up.
Speaker 2:I better bring my A-plus game today you are dad joke king. I don't know about that, my goodness.
Speaker 1:We got a special guest in the studio.
Speaker 2:today we don't get special guests that often I know it all the way from down the street Right down the street right from the other room. Yes, in fact.
Speaker 1:So a special guest Hi. Tell us your name.
Speaker 3:Hi, my name's Elisa.
Speaker 1:Elisa, wow, so how did you get to come to our podcast today?
Speaker 3:Because I'm your daughter. Oh, you're my daughter, oh there we go.
Speaker 1:She's got special street cred here to get in here, right, yep? Well, tell us a little bit about yourself, miss Alisa.
Speaker 3:I'm nine years old and my favorite color is rose gold.
Speaker 1:Rose gold. I'm still debating this because I'm still thinking it's pink.
Speaker 2:It's a shade of pink. It's in the family of pink.
Speaker 3:It's a shade of pink, Dad Rose is a shade of pink, and then you just add gold to it.
Speaker 1:I don't know. So, in other words, you like gold and you just like pinkish gold. Rose gold, rose gold.
Speaker 2:I guess that's a fancy name.
Speaker 1:Well, we were talking, you know, do you know? The subject of the day is integrity, right, I have no idea what that is. You don't know what integrity is. I bet you do if we explain it, okay, alright. Well, dr P, what do you think integrity is?
Speaker 2:Well, I think integrity reminds me of the famous pickle.
Speaker 1:The famous pickle.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's a really big deal. He's a really big deal.
Speaker 1:I get that one, you get that one. You don't get too many of them. I mean the, the dad jokes, we got some silly ones. That was a pretty good one. Yeah, you got that one. That's good, that's awesome, yeah. So integrity, you know, and, and and one of the things that, uh, we look as integrity is, and we've talked about integrity way back, I think the very first one, the very first episode.
Speaker 2:Gosh, that was what, nine months ago.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:And yeah, we talked about the word. And is your word, your bond? Can people trust what you say is the truth or are you just making stuff up?
Speaker 1:Right Definition Integrity is in speech. It's sort of where we're going today. Integrity in speech refers to the practice of being honest, truthful and consistent in one's words. It involves communicating transparently and authentically, ensuring that what one says aligns with their actions and values. So, in other words, miss Elisa, it means being honest, truthful, and if you say you're going to do something, you have to follow through and actually do it.
Speaker 3:Oh, so it's kind of like having respect for someone. Basically, that's well said, that's very well said.
Speaker 2:Respect for someone and also having respect for the things that you say, so you respect the people that are listening, respect yourself, um, and it goes back to what you were saying last week. You know, doing solo and as far as decision-making, um, are we going to just make stuff up and try to satisfy somebody or are we actually going to be honest and be truthful? You know?
Speaker 2:we run into a problem, are we going to be honest about it or are we just going to make something up and say what the client wants to hear, even though it's not truthful?
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, and in corporate leadership. You know how we always try to blend this and hopefully you're familiar with our show If it's your first time. We talk a little biblical talk, a little corporate leadership and we throw in some nine-year-old daughter dad jokes right. I don't know, you might be the permanent host of this show. You watch it. You'll probably get more ratings than we do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know this is probably going to be the most popular show, just because of her laugh.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. Corporate leadership I've got a couple of things on transparency and I mentioned it in the uh, the definition I think transparency is is one of the things in corporate leadership that we you know and I always tell people the more transparent you are as a leader, I think more of the people that they're going to respect you. You know, and a lot of you know. I always tell people that if you're, you can be a bad manager. As long as you're transparent, open, they get you and you're consistent, people will know how to sort of deal with you. And I think that goes into there is if you can be that you can be honest and transparent. I think that goes a long way in the corporate leadership world.
Speaker 2:Yes, and just think about the person who doesn't speak with integrity. You lose all sense of trustworthiness to your audience. And so if you're like a manager of a company or even it could be a small company, could be a big company but if the people that are listening to you do not believe what you're saying, that is going to just deflate morale, it's going to decrease production and it's going to be very difficult to motivate your people to work.
Speaker 2:And so, just being honest, even though you have to say something difficult, like you know, we didn't meet our sales quota for less quarter and we got to really do better, and if there's anything I can do to help with that, I'd be more than willing to step up and help. So, instead of saying you know what we did, great, even though that's not true, that has no integrity. That people will eventually find out and your value in their eyes will decrease. So it's important to have integrity of speech and for the people to trust you to say the truth.
Speaker 1:What do you think, Elisa? Do you think that you're somewhat honest? Are you very honest? Do you always, Elisa? Do you think that you're a somewhat honest? Are you very honest? Do you always tell the truth?
Speaker 3:I'm somewhat honest.
Speaker 1:I'm going to guess you're somewhat honest. Sometimes you tell little tall tales, right, maybe, like yeah, no, I didn't do that, and maybe you really did. Yeah, okay. Okay, I've got another dad joke for you, and maybe you really did. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, I've got another dad joke for you. Okay, you ready for this one? Yeah, let's hear it. Okay, here we go. We were talking about ice cream a while ago, but let's talk about cake.
Speaker 1:What is?
Speaker 2:your favorite type of cake. I'm going to have to go confetti cake or strawberry Favorite type of cake I'm going to have to go confetti cake or strawberry, okay, so why did the teddy bear turn down a slice of cake?
Speaker 3:I don't know why.
Speaker 2:Because he was already stuffed.
Speaker 3:That's hilarious.
Speaker 1:You've got some teddy bears, don't you?
Speaker 3:Quite, a lot Quite a lot.
Speaker 1:We have quite a few, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:They literally take up the whole top bunk.
Speaker 2:I know the whole top bunk. So you have a bunk bed and the whole top bunk is teddy bears.
Speaker 3:In our playroom we've got a bunk bed. The whole top bunk's just a pillow and teddy bears.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's pretty impressive. You could hot bunks just a pillow and teddy bears wow, it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1:You could find you could, you know, hide et in there could. Yeah, I think et does live in there from time to time. So, so, and and and you know, getting back to integrity, um, uh, when you're in the context of you know bringing integrity into um, your, your, your world, how how do you go about bringing integrity into your world? How do you go about bringing integrity? Do you think it's a trait that's instilled by your parents? Do you think it's a trait that's instilled by your environment? Do you think that you can get more integrity over the years? Or do you think that the cards you're dealt is the cards you're dealt?
Speaker 1:My opinion is that it's?
Speaker 2:a learned trait.
Speaker 2:It's a learned skill. Okay, now, some people are more prone to having integrity and being honest in their speech. Other people might not be. But here's the thing If you lean towards not having integrity, people will eventually find they'll eventually discover you and your trustworthiness. Your whole thing is going to just collapse. Here's the thing Leaders have influence. In fact, leadership. John Maxwell said leadership is influence, and so if you want to have influence of your people in a positive direction, then it's important to be honest and have your people trust you. And if you need to get out on the floor within the warehouse with your people, or if you're a manager of a restaurant, you need to get in and work the grill for a while and just you know, just be with them so they get to know you. It's one thing to say you know words. It's another thing to live out the words, and so if your people can see you living out what you're saying, that really helps solidify the integrity of what you've already said.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes sense. What's your comment on it? Special guest Elisa. I mean, do you think that somebody has integrity from when they were born or do you think they learn it? Have you learned integrity? Have you learned being honest in school? Yes, we have. How is it taught? Is the teacher teaching? Is it just something your parents teach you? Where do you think you get honesty and integrity from?
Speaker 3:You kind of get it from everywhere. It depends on the environment. If you're at school sometimes, if you have Bible class, sometimes they'll mention it and sometimes your parents tell you to have it sometimes and be truthful, and I feel like you have to kind of learn it more.
Speaker 1:I understand. Yeah, so I mean's you're learning it from people, but I mean you could maybe not do it if you didn't want to right. So it makes you feel good when you tell the truth and you're honest to people. Yes, it does.
Speaker 1:It makes you feel really good great well, is it mentioned in the biblical anywhere that? Do we have any honest people that are in the bible? Just a few thousand, a few thousand, alright. Do you honest people that are in the Bible? A few thousand, a few thousand, all right. But here's one. Do you think there's some in the Bible? You've got a Bible study.
Speaker 2:There's a lot, but I'm thinking as far as integrity of speech or integrity of life, but we're talking about speech today. I think there's one verse. There's several, but the one that sticks out to me the most is from the book of Matthew, chapter 5, which is the Sermon on the Mount, which is probably the best sermon ever preached in the entire history of the world. But in verse 37, jesus said this let your yes be yes and your no be no. In other words, if you say yes, you mean yes and if you say no, you mean no. You don't have to give an explanation for it. You have such integrity with your listeners that you don't have to have a long drawn-out explanation. They know if you mean yes, you're actually going to mean yes and you're going to follow through with what you're doing. And if you say no, then that means no and there's not going to be a give and take or whatever. You know things like that, and so it doesn't mean you're not open to input.
Speaker 2:Okay, I remember in my last church. You know we had a large staff. I was blessed to have an incredible staff and we would have to make a major decision about something. There were lots of things we had to make a decision about, especially at the beginning of COVID, we had to retool and go online and do a lot of things real quick to get back.
Speaker 1:It was a big learning curve, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:It was a huge learning curve and I said I want all of your input. I want you to tell me what you're thinking. I want you to tell me what you're thinking. I want you to tell me good and bad. But I just want to remind everybody I have 51% of the vote and so when I made a decision, it's like no, this is what we're going to do Now. Sometimes I did make good decisions and we had to go back and change, but you wanted to be able to and you had to own that. I think that's part of the integrity issue is, if you make a mistake, you want to own it, and I see a lot of people in this day and time not wanting to own their decisions. They'll oh, it was this someone's fault, or this someone's fault, or this is the reason I did that, or whatever, and it's like no, you've got to own your decision.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of gray area people bounce around A lot of gray.
Speaker 1:And you feel like if you bounce in the gray area, you're not telling a lie, but you're not exactly telling the truth either. Some people will never do that right, no, and people will find out, eventually, they will find out.
Speaker 2:Do that right, no, and people will find out, eventually they will find out. And so just think about your core values, of your business, okay, your core values. If one of your values is to be have integrity and honest with your customers, then it's got to start from the top down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what I've got in there integrity and speech, you know, defined by these five things truthfulness, reliability, respectfulness, accountability and consistency. You know, sort of what we talked about. You know, if, if, uh, you know, consistent consistency is one of the biggest things in there for me. You know, and and I, I think that you, you need to establish a pattern because if you know, as I've told her, as I, as if you tell a little white lie and then you tell the truth and you tell another white lie and then, you tell the truth.
Speaker 1:well, I don't know if you're telling every other one's a little white lie or the truth, and I said it's easier just to figure out how to tell the truth.
Speaker 1:I told you many times if you have a problem or if something comes up, don't be afraid, just come tell me. I might get mad a little bit, but I won't. I'll be respectful of you for telling me the truth and we'll get through it. Right, that's the way it is, is that good? Yep? Would you tell me the truth if something went down Pretty much, yeah, yeah. Would you tell me the truth if something went down Pretty much, yeah, yeah. So we got to get that to be 100%, because right now it's where. Do you think it's at what percentage? Around 80. Yeah 80.
Speaker 2:You're very truthful on that Very good, very good. So have you read any Dr Seuss books? Yes, okay. So Dr Seuss, wise, wise man, said this Integrity is we say what we mean and we mean what we say. Yeah, I think that's pretty clear.
Speaker 1:I think it's exactly what it is. Okay, I got another dad joke.
Speaker 2:You were talking about your bedroom and your bunk bed and all your bears and your pillow. Okay, here's one. What did the mother broom say to the baby broom?
Speaker 3:I don't know What'd she say.
Speaker 1:It's time to go to sweep. How about? Why didn't Moses make his coffee? Or how does Moses make his coffee? I don't know how does he make his coffee. He don't know how does he make his coffee, he brews it. He brews it.
Speaker 1:So here's, let's get into, you know, the corporate a little bit, one of the corporate leadership that we were looking at and when we take it to leadership and when we're talking about integrity and speech, and I've watched this many times in corporations that say they went through a big buyout and they come and I always reference this one time that I watched this and I brought in to do a speech and stuff and the CEO talked right before me and he got up there and he was the new CEO on the buyout time, the buyout team of the uh, the buying out this company and he gets up and his, his, his message was you know, everything's going to be great. Um, we're, we're open where we're, we're receptive to this. This is going to be a great transition. Uh, the only problem is the words coming out of his mouth were not matching his body language, because he had his arms crossed, he had his legs crossed, he was fidgety and he was going through every body language there was saying I am not telling the truth the way I'm stating this and I know based on everybody, because I was watching the audience.
Speaker 1:I was watching him because I was up next and I know that there was a lot of very confused people because our brain, you know, figures out that body language really fast and a lot of people miss that when they start trying to tie these little white lies. Your body, your telltale signs, some of your facial expressions, some of the way your eye movements are, if you simply just brush and rub your nose a lot of times after you say something, that means you told a lie. It's a simple thing, but a lot of people don't know these things. What are you doing over there touching your nose?
Speaker 3:It was itchy, oh okay, it was itchy because I mentioned it.
Speaker 1:But I mean that's what you got to make sure you know and in integrity and speech, I think that's really you know a big one, because I have a lot of people send out mixed messages a lot of times.
Speaker 2:Yes, learning to have good, positive body language and not be too distracted with your arm movement or moving around too much or messing with something. It's just you want the people to focus on the message, not on the be distracted or get, like you said, mixed signals. If someone's sitting there with their arms crossed and they're trying to say that they're happy, that's just totally, you know, just not working. It's just not working.
Speaker 1:Are you familiar with body language and can you read when people are, you know, not telling the truth? What kind of things do you see when people are not telling the truth?
Speaker 3:Sometimes I see them like kind of things do you see, when people are not telling the truth? Um, sometimes I'll see them like kind of do this sort of fidgeting?
Speaker 1:yeah, they kind of cross their arms and kind of go like kind of twist around, oh yeah they'll start looking around they won't look you in the eye.
Speaker 2:No, they'll just start looking around Straight up. That's great perception from you yes, that is really really good.
Speaker 3:They'll kind of start looking around because they're getting nervous that someone's kind of knowing the truth.
Speaker 2:Someone's thinking. They're not telling the truth, so they're not looking at you. You know talking. They're looking at the floor, they're looking around, they're doing all kinds of stuff, right?
Speaker 3:They're kind of looking around with their head, kind of moving their head side to side, trying to find somebody who thinks that they're actually telling the truth when they're not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that happens. I mean, you know, and you just got to watch out for those people, because we like the people that always tell the truth, right? So those are the true friends, the good friends, where they tell the truth and they're open and transparent. All right, so let's talk a little bit about the biblical again. I had one that I was going to. Let me see if I can find that passage. I like this one Colossians 3-9,.
Speaker 1:Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices. I like some of these things where they're mentioning you know, don't lie, it's right there. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know don't lie, it's right there. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. I love some of those. I printed out a stack of them, so you know, I think there's some stuff that's handed down from generations. I mean, people want to be told the truth, they respect it. Even if it's bad news, they still want to hear the truth.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so let's go back to the, let's do some biblical history. In the first century, so the writer of much of the New Testament was the Apostle Paul, and he traveled around the world. You know, in the Mediterranean area, most of the people that he talked to were not of the Jewish. At the beginning they were Jewish tradition, but the more he traveled, the more he ran into people that were not of that religious. You know persuasion, and so they worshipped. You know Greek gods, roman gods, many gods, maybe no god, and they had a different worldview about things. Right, and so he's trying to help them realize that in order to walk your talk, in order to be like Christ and he says in several occasions, put on Christ and to be more Christ-like, well, in order to be Christ-like, then we need to have integrity and honesty in our speech. Nothing that ever came out of Jesus' mouth was a lie. Everything he said was absolute truth, and so that is our role model.
Speaker 2:We don't measure up to that all the time but, that's the goal, and Paul was saying hey, if you want to be that way, if you want to walk in that kind of faith and that kind of trust, then, just like you said, even if it might be a bad news, you need to be able to be honest about it. You know, dealing with people in the ministry for all those years going to the hospital and sitting in the hospital with lots of people, you know we're in the waiting room many times and the doctors would come out and you're expecting them to say everything went good. Well, if it didn't go good, you wouldn't want the doctor to say, well, everything went good, and then an hour later, when you're back in the recovery room, realize that it's not good. And I think that's the exact same thing with our speech. We just need to be honest about it and just be truthful.
Speaker 2:And for some because let's just say you grew up and you're living in the same town that you went to high school in you still have some of your high school friends and now you're in your 30s or 40s they're still going to remember you back in high school and the jokes or the pranks or the lies you told back then.
Speaker 2:And so, in order to overcome that. You might have a bigger challenge to overcome that past than you would if you moved away and started. So I'd say the best time to start living that kind of life is today. If you didn't make that decision to do it yesterday, start today and over time then that new type of honest person, the person of integrity and honesty, will come forth. It doesn't mean that you won't have those skeletons in the closet that so often come out, but those are going to be less and less and less the more you live that kind of life. And for some people that's really difficult because you've been living that kind of life for so long, just kind of squeaking by, kind of doing that little white lie every so often to get by and it's like, no, I'm not going to do that anymore. I'm going to be more Christ-like in my walk, in my talk, in my actions, in my honesty, and that just breeds integrity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. And you know I was over here and I was thinking about that. You know, in your past and you hit it spot on. I mean we can start tomorrow and I that you know in your past and you hit a spot on. I mean we can start tomorrow and I know, you know, when I was young and I had that gray area, right, I didn't like lying but exactly I sort of fudged the truth a little bit and then I still remember when I sort of crossed the thing, I'm like it isn't worth it, I don't know. I mean it's just easier just to tell the truth all the time. Right, it's just easier, it's a much better thing. So do you tell the truth quite a bit.
Speaker 3:Just listen to your dad, because it is easier to tell the truth. What do you think? I kind of, I'm also in a gray area. You're in a gray area.
Speaker 2:You're in a gray area.
Speaker 3:Because sometimes, like I, get nervous and then it just accidentally comes out. A lie accidentally comes out sometimes, but sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes I am truthful and I'm super happy sometimes and it makes me feel so good when I tell the truth sometimes and it makes me feel so good when I tell the truth and it's super and it makes me feel really good inside and makes me feel positive, yeah.
Speaker 1:so what's it make you feel like when you tell a lie? Um, it makes me kind of feel icky inside. Yeah, you betrayed somebody's trust, right? Yeah, so that's why you never want to lie. Yeah, and I'm going to kick back to Dr Pio here. It's one of the things that I did, a search over there. I was just curious what the good old internet would say was the most honest biblical character, and I was thinking it would probably come back Jesus. But it actually came back Joseph, the son of Jacob.
Speaker 2:Oh wow Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought that was very interesting.
Speaker 2:They must have not looked at the New Testament.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe that's it. Well, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:He was an honest guy, you know.
Speaker 1:I was just going to throw that out there because that sort of reminds me I was waiting for that to come and it talks about you, talks about resisting temptation and interpreting dreams truthfully and forgiveness and reconciliation, but I was like I don't know, I just felt that that was you know, interesting, yeah, anyway, interesting, yeah, you know little things like that. I mean Google's never right, you know.
Speaker 3:I know they're not always right?
Speaker 1:No, but I was just sitting there.
Speaker 3:I was just in there.
Speaker 1:I was just curious because I figured I'd have the answer in my head what I was going to do, and it kicked out that I was like, oh, that's interesting, well, I put him in the top 10.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I put him in the top 10.
Speaker 1:Who do you think I mean the obvious choice, other than Jesus, other than Jesus right.
Speaker 2:Who would have the most integrity of speech? That's a really good question. I would probably say Moses, oh yeah, yeah, that's a good one, he's a good one. Huh yeah, you think of those giants of the faith, but you also have to think of Esther or Ruth or Boaz, I mean, you think about those people. I mean Boaz Ruth. She could have lied about where she was from and who she was with and all that kind of stuff, but she didn't. She told the truth to Boaz and it literally changed world history.
Speaker 1:I changed the search and I'll ask you something in a second. Elisa and I said all right, how about integrity and speech? Which biblical character exemplifies this? And it came up with Daniel this time.
Speaker 2:Daniel. Oh yeah, he would have been a good one yeah so that would have been a good one.
Speaker 1:Are you familiar with these characters we're talking about? Yes, I am All right. You know who Ruth is?
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's the one who went to the field to get food for her and her mother.
Speaker 2:Very good yeah.
Speaker 3:Her mother was Naomi, I think.
Speaker 1:That's very good.
Speaker 2:Excellent, excellent. It's a great story. It's not a very long story but it's really good, and that lady had to be amazing. She was just an amazing lady and an incredible person of faith, and so, yeah, I like Mary Magdalene's story too. Mary Magdalene's story.
Speaker 3:I was a biblical—we had like this biblical character thing where we had to pretend to be a biblical character at school and I was actually Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 2:Oh, one of the three Marys. One of the three Marys, mm-hmm. Yeah, I bet that was fun yeah.
Speaker 3:I actually learned that she actually was possessed and Jesus had to save her from it Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I learned that she actually was possessed and Jesus had to save her from it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so have you heard of the program called the Chosen? I have not actually.
Speaker 2:Well, it's really good and she's in the very first episode. Yeah, so you're like Mary Magdalene, you might want to have your mom and dad have you watch the Chosen season one, episode one.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure mommy watches that. That's one of her favorites, so yeah, it's really good she watches it when she travels, so I'm pretty sure she watches. So, yeah, yeah, she would probably watch that again with you. So, yeah, okay, yeah. So what do you think? What do you? What do you think about any of these? Oh you, are we gonna have a?
Speaker 2:dad joke. This can't be a dad joke. If the daughter's, it's a daughter joke. Okay, okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 3:I'm ready, my dad showed me which one to say.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:What do you call a talkative CEO?
Speaker 2:A talkative CEO? I don't know what.
Speaker 3:A chief explanation. Lead officer.
Speaker 1:Oh, CEO, CEO, she's like there, I got it All right. How about one more down?
Speaker 3:there One more, one more, bottom one down there. What do you call it when a biblical leader gives a pep talk?
Speaker 2:What do you call it when a biblical leader gives a pep talk? What?
Speaker 3:A faith, lift A faith lift.
Speaker 2:That's pretty good.
Speaker 1:All right Rock on.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let me ask you a question have you heard of the company Samsung? Yes, I have, you have. Okay, so let me ask you a question what do you call the security guards at Samsung?
Speaker 3:I don't know what do you call them?
Speaker 2:You call them guardians of the galaxy.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, they have the guardians. Well, that's great.
Speaker 1:Well, you're going to be better. You're going to have more integrity. I mean, you're pretty strong on the integrity list but you're going to be a little bit more honest, right? Yeah, because you do half and half. Yeah, we've got to work on that. A little bit more honest, right, because you do you do you do, you know yeah yeah, we got to work on that a little bit.
Speaker 1:So, because you know she she leaves a mess and she blames it on her brother, I don't know how you have a brother to blame it on, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, but he never helps me clean it up but it's not his mess he needs to help me anyway well, that might be another topic for another podcast.
Speaker 1:That might be a whole other topic.
Speaker 2:We can go. Thank you so much for being in the studio today.
Speaker 1:Thank you for being our special guest today. We've had fun and enjoyed you, so this will probably be our best rating show ever.
Speaker 2:That's probably true.
Speaker 1:Well, Dr P, I guess we're coming down to the time to wrap this up. You know, make sure you check us out. Biblicalleadershipshowcom. Yeah, come check us out. Other than that, lisa, any parting words before we give Dr Pose Goodbye and have a good day. Have a great day, and then how about you?
Speaker 2:That's all I want to say. Make it a great day. Make it a great day.
Speaker 1:And then how about you? That's all I want to say. Make a great day. Make it a great day. Have integrity, have integrity, have integrity.
Speaker 2:And until we see you again next week.
Speaker 1:See you again next week. Bye, all right, bye guys.
