Biblical Leadership Show
The Biblical Leadership Show podcast explores timeless principles of leadership through a biblical lens, offering insightful discussions and practical wisdom for leaders seeking to integrate faith and leadership in their personal and professional lives. Join us as we delve into biblical narratives, lessons, and values to inspire and equip leaders to make a positive impact in their communities and organizations.
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The Art of Resilience: Blending Humor, Community, and Ancient Wisdom for Life's Journey
Resilience isn't merely about toughness; it's a rich tapestry of experiences and perspectives that shape our world view. In this conversation, we dive into heartfelt personal stories that unveil how community and a reevaluation of life's purpose can be the compass that guides us through the stormiest seas. Whether it's a support group or an insightful stranger, these connections bolster our journey to recovery. And let's not forget the wise words and guiding hands of coaches and mentors who remind us: we're not alone in rebuilding our lives.
As we wrap up, we turn to the ancient narratives of the Bible, gleaning insights into faith and endurance that have withstood the test of time. These stories, paralleled with modern frameworks like the creative team-building in Odyssey of the Mind, illustrate that resilience is more than mere survival—it's a creative force in life's narrative. So, whether you're in search of a supportive word, a good laugh, or strategies to navigate life's hurdles, our latest episode is a heartfelt blend of wisdom, wit, and practical advice.
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Speaker 2:Dean Boze how are you doing? I'm doing fantastic. Tim Lansford, how are you doing today?
Speaker 1:I am doing spectacular today.
Speaker 2:That's fantastic and you know, today we just got a few days before the big Super Bowl this weekend, and what a perfect time to talk about resilience.
Speaker 1:Resilience. That is what we're going to talk about as our subject today. So what is resilience?
Speaker 2:Well, let's get some dad jokes in before. Oh my gosh, of course. What am I thinking? I know, tim, you're just jumping right into the topic. I mean, we got to talk about the topic, yes, for about two minutes out of 35. The rest is dad jokes.
Speaker 1:You know, if Dr Boze you know he keeps me honest on these things so many times I'm ready to jump straight into the subject. And no, we have the initial dad joke hour, just so you guys out there and then Radio Land can roll your eyes and go why, why, why, why.
Speaker 2:And if you're listening while you're driving, please stay on the road right? Don't put your hands on your ears or you know whatever to shut us out.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to just start this off. Just turn down the volume, just please don't log off. You know just.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay so.
Speaker 1:What do you got for us there?
Speaker 2:Why did the banana go to the doctor?
Speaker 1:Why did the banana go to the doctor? His skin was peeling.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, but he wasn't peeling well.
Speaker 1:Oh, all right, Good, I was getting closer on that one. You were getting really close.
Speaker 2:Yes, you got another one.
Speaker 1:I was going to say some of the bad ones. What do you call it? Oh, yes, and believe me, pre-show.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, just hang on. You're going to hear some really bad ones in a minute. But what do you call a herd of sheep falling down a hill?
Speaker 1:I don't know in this one A lambslide. Nice Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm ready. What are some of the bad?
Speaker 1:ones that I had earlier. You know we were talking on the show. I usually try to pull up some and create some that have to do with the subject. I let him sort of go freelance over there. I don't have anything to do with the subject, you know, and it's just. It's mine. Just don't work out as well as him, but I, I do like this one. What do you call a resilient cat?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Cause it is topic resilient. What do we call a resilient cat A perseverance expert Perseverance?
Speaker 2:expert.
Speaker 1:Anyway, and then my other one what was the? What was the book? Why was the book so resilient? Because it had a strong spine. That's all I got.
Speaker 2:That's. That's it for the day.
Speaker 1:I've got more, but that's all the people want to hear of the bad topic driven.
Speaker 2:So what do you call a cow with two legs?
Speaker 1:Um uh I lean beef. Nice we used to have a lot of the back in the days, you know a lot of the cow jokes and stuff. I've got a whole bunch of those.
Speaker 2:But so so we normally try to go 35 minutes on our podcast and we're pretty consistent with that. So we watch the clock. But what do you call a? What kind of bug can tell time?
Speaker 1:I do not know this one, a clock roach, all right Resilience.
Speaker 2:Let's talk a little bit about resilience. I thought the topic was dad jokes today.
Speaker 1:It. You know it's, it's. It can be dad jokes today, but we want to keep our listeners listening today. So, uh, resilience, you know, uh, in my notes here, resilience refers to the capacity of to recover quickly from difficulties, challenges and or setbacks, and you know it's sort of what we started talking about.
Speaker 1:You know, is is if you've had setbacks I mean, I think most of us had setbacks, you know, hopefully you don't go through that many setbacks, knock on wood, uh, but I think, you know, in the worst case, we've had setbacks when we grew up and you know, I know I've had a lot of them when I, uh, I I first got into business and many years been doing this for you know, going on 30 years of working for myself, and, and I know I had to have resilience because if not, I would have never made it through some of those tougher times when I very first started business, those those times where we've mentioned before, trying to figure out how to, how to survive and eat.
Speaker 1:You know, and and, uh, you know that that was the hardest thing, and some of these is you know, how do I pay my rent? Where do I go? You know, knock on wood, I've never had to, you know, sort of be the you know have the homeless stories, like a lot of the the entrepreneurs have, but but I, I guarantee there was many a week that uh, uh me eating spaghetti and mustard all week because that's all we could afford. It got really boring and really, uh, not that good.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so resilience is such an important topic, but let's uh, let's focus on something that's happened here in a couple of days, and that is a Super Bowl, because I would think one of the traits of any elite team, like you know, the Super Bowl or let's just talk about the World Series, or the Stanley Cup playoffs, NBA finals you know the final four that's going to be next month Um, any of those elite athletes. One of the things that I don't hear very often from commentators is the quality of resilience that those athletes must have. Because I was a tennis player. I wasn't a great tennis player. I loved playing tennis, but I wasn't that good. But you know, if you're playing tennis and you make a bad shot or you don't respond fast enough and your opponent, you know, puts one by you and you're sitting there beating yourself up, well, they could get another two or three points before you get your head back in the game, and so I would think that is so true with any elite athlete.
Speaker 2:Let's just talk about the Super Bowl. So there's going to be some you know some great plays this Sunday, and but there's also going to be some mistakes that are going to be made, and those players that let you know they miss a tackle or you know something happens they miss a, miss a catch. They can't just sit there beating themselves up. You know they've got 30 seconds to a minute to get back because the next play is going to happen right then, and they better get their head back in the game really, really quick, or else they're going to blow it at the next play too.
Speaker 2:And so one of the things that I think I think it can be learned it's more natural for some than others, but one of the traits of great athlete is resilience. You make a mistake, you get back right in the game. You know, like they said, you know if you fall off your bicycle, the best thing to do is get back on the bicycle as soon as possible, and I think that's true. That's the question is like for business. Sometimes people make mistakes and they lose their business or something happens in the economy and you have a really tough time. A resilience doesn't happen immediately. But the question is are we willing to be resilient, are we willing to have that desire to get back in the game?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and one of the things and that people talk about resilience and a lot of people think it's the emotional and the mental and even the physical. You know some of the things that we're talking about, but I think it's it even goes farther than that is. Is it how, how you learn from it, how you grow from it, how you emerge stronger than you were? Because, I mean, that's, that's one of the things that you know. We mentioned COVID a lot on here and, and we mentioned a lot of things, I think a lot of people have emerged stronger. If you've been through a setback in a company, if you've been an entrepreneur maybe you got fired from a job you came out of that with a new, new, new, resilient. You're stronger, you're wanting to bounce back and overcome those obstacles and you know, a lot of times people have been fired from jobs and that's put them down the entrepreneur path and you know it's it's how you respond and we all have personal journeys.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm sure you could share a lot of stories. I can share a lot of stories and you know, and it, it, it, a lot of times people tie it to. You know, like we're talking football this week is, you know, a lot of times physical, you know a lot of people have had to be resilient and bouncing back and and think about when they when somebody breaks their leg or they a quarterback or you know hurts a shoulder or something, and and people are tackling them, there's a thought process and there's first three games back that somebody's going to tackle me and I'm going to go exactly back to where I was and there's a lot of mental to go to get to play in your game again and not sort of limping around and trying to take it soft. And there's a workup process there and I think that's what resilience is is not only the physical but how you can redo your, your mental standpoint to get better, to to go out and overcome some of the challenges that you were facing.
Speaker 2:Exactly right. So I just that I want to segue into one of the best books I've ever read in my whole life. The author was Victor Frankel and he wrote a book called Man's Search for Meaning. If you've never read it, I encourage you to to to read it.
Speaker 2:Victor Frankel was a prisoner of war in World War II of from 1942 to 1945. He was in four different prisoner of war camps, including Auschwitz. His parents, his brother and his pregnant wife died during that time, and we can't avoid difficulty. We're all going to have difficult times, it's going to happen. But what his experience was and what he wrote about in this book, it's not just what happens to you, it's how you respond to what happens to you. That probably makes the biggest difference. And so Victor Frankel died in 1997.
Speaker 2:But in 1991, the Library of Congress did a survey and asked a lot of people what was a book that made a difference in your life? And Man's Search for Meaning was in the top ten of that by his. By the time of his death it had sold ten million copies in 24 languages, and so if you have never heard of that book, or if you've never heard of Victor Frankel, I encourage you to read that. Maybe read it more than once, because it's such a powerful lesson that we can all learn about resilience. There's another. There's a movie called Unbroken that has the same message, and you know those people that were prisoners of war. I can't even comprehend what they went through, but those are two examples of how they responded to some very difficult times in their life. Some people are more resilient than others, just naturally, but I do think it's something that we can learn if we're willing to learn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it is. I mean it's getting the gray hair on top of the head, you know, or losing a few hairs on the top of the head.
Speaker 2:It's whatever.
Speaker 1:Whichever way we want to go, but I mean, it's one of those things that you get over time and then you know and I'm not saying that you have to have gray hair I know a lot of younger, some of my friends, that are entrepreneurs and they've started their companies and they have resilience and they're not even you know, they're still in their 20s and they've built up this resilience thing and I think it's something that some people have and they have the patience and the ability to get good about resilience and I do think it's a learned trade as well. If you've been through something, you've overcome it. You've been through something again, you've overcome it. You start looking at things differently, you know, and a lot of it has a lot on your perception. You know, are you a half full, half empty? That brings into your play about how you bounce back on this. It's just, you know, everybody's a little bit different.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and we have to remember that resilience for most of us, we're not talking about, you know, an esports game or something like that, but resilience, whether you've gone through bankruptcy, whether you are starting a business and you're having some setbacks, whatever you're experiencing a health crisis. What a resilience is? A process.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sure you've got something in marital counseling and stuff and divorce and stuff. I'm sure you have eons of stories and different things like that. People that have to bounce back, because a lot of people they feel that's the end right, that's you know. They feel that they've failed and all that.
Speaker 2:I'm sure that there's a story there, there is so many stories and some, after a big setback, they just give up, and that's always tragic. And but those people who choose to say, no, I'm going to move forward, I'm gonna. This is not what I was planning, this is not what I was hoping. You know, I did hundreds and hundreds of weddings in my career. I'd never was standing at the altar of a couple who thought they'd be divorced. Some were within a year, some were within 20 to 30 years, some after even 40. And it's always tragic for a reason or many reasons. But the question is what happens after that? Some people never recover, for lots of reasons, but those who choose to. One of the thoughts is what's my purpose now? What is my purpose for living? What's my purpose for doing this? And it's a process. Resilience is successfully adapting to a challenging life situations. You might not be in the same place that you were. You might be better. You might not be. But the question are you willing to move forward after a challenging situation?
Speaker 2:I remember many years ago I mean, I had just had a job at a church for a month. We were doing a fundraiser for a mission trip and we were selling pumpkins. This was back in, you know, in the fall, obviously before Halloween, and I was helping unload a truck full of pumpkins and the next day I fell down some stairs and my because my back was totally out I was in traction for a week old fashioned traction in the hospital. I didn't know what my health was gonna be like. 10 years later I had to have back surgery. I didn't know if I was gonna be able to, you know, walk, walk. Well, I didn't know what my physical ability was gonna be, but I wanted to do everything I could to get back as much mobility as possible and live a life as well as possible.
Speaker 2:After that significant setback, and when I had back surgery, we had two small children. I mean, that was a challenging time in our life for all of us, but one of the ways that helped me is because of the people that loved me, that were around me, were encouraging me, that were supporting me, that were praying for me, that were helping me. And so I'm gonna say, if you're in a difficult place right now and it's hard for you to look forward to the future, you need to find some people that can be around you. If you don't have family around you, hopefully you can find a church or people in your small group or Sunday school class that can help you Maybe some coworkers, maybe some neighbors. You might have to step out of your comfort zone and reach out and do something. Join a walking group, join something, be a part of something where you're not alone and have your life connect with other people. That will help you develop resilience.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's. I have a friend that was just going through that, that got divorced, and I told him, I talked to him. He says I'm not ready to date and I'm ready to move forward. And I'm like you gotta look at it from your you're not dating somebody, you're not moving forward. You're basically, when you start hanging out, you're revamping your thought process. And I told him. I said it's really the thought of when you start going out to dinner with somebody new. They're basically like a counselor almost. It's something that you can share your thoughts and where you're at and to get that feedback.
Speaker 1:And a lot of times people are drawn to people that might be going through different, similar situations and you have that ability to sort of bounce things off. And I think it's so important that what you said is you have to have somebody to share it with. I do this as a coach, executive coach, personal coach with a lot of people and however you go about it resilience now, not everybody in the world needs somebody, right? You know there's very motivating people, right? You know a lot of people are motivated by somebody a workout partner, go to the gym, and there's some people that are motivated by themselves. They motivate themselves, but in most cases people need that support system. They need to be able to reach out and share that with different things.
Speaker 2:Exactly right. So there are different types of resilience. Let's just talk about mental resilience. And so you know you have physical resilience, mental resilience, emotional resilience, social resilience and spiritual resilience. You know, in our person.
Speaker 2:And let's just talk about mental resilience for just a minute, because in my own personal life and in my career I met a lot of people, especially men, that did not get along with their fathers, and so they were either criticized, they were put down, they were ignored, they were basically told you're not gonna amount to much. You know, I wish you were never born. There was all kinds of mental things going on, and so, like I didn't grow up with a whole lot of self-esteem or self-confidence, and if you don't have that, it's really hard to be resilient when you get beat down or you know what is, something negative happens to you, and so in order for that to happen, you've got to find a place where you can have small victories, and so one of the things that helped me was joining Boy Scouts, joining our youth group at church, where I could have friends, I could make small victories in the scouting and just with rank advancements and recognition and those kind of things, and that gave me some self-confidence. That gave me some self-esteem that I could actually do these things that I didn't know I could do. And so over time and I'd say years it took me to get to the point where I was like, no, you know, I can do this, I'm worth doing this.
Speaker 2:Some people think they're not worth it, their life's not worth it, and they'll give up, and that's always a tragic. So I'm gonna say, if you're there right now, I would encourage you to reach out. If you need to reach out to us at biblicalleadershoesshowcom, please send us an email. We'll respond to you as quick as possible. If we need to help you find a counselor or something like that in your area of the country, we'd be more than glad to do it. But we just need you to take that step and reach out to us and we will help you on that journey, because being resilient is so important to find meaning and purpose in life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so let's talk about resilience in the Bible.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:What are some good stories that you have that stands out on your brain, of people that were resilient?
Speaker 2:Well, let's just talk about Old Testament and New Testament. So I know we talked about this prior to the show starting, but one of the first ones I would say would be Daniel. He was high up in the leadership of that time of the country and yet he was ostracized because of his faith and his belief, that he didn't want to stop praying to God. And so he was criticized. He was thrown the lines, dan, and he held fast to his faith. And we read in the book of Hebrews, chapter 11. If you've never read that, I encourage you to read that, because there's just story after story after story of people who suffered difficult or challenging times in their life. Let's think of Abraham or Moses, david, samson, esther.
Speaker 2:There's just some incredible heroes in the Scripture all throughout the Bible that experienced some.
Speaker 2:David experienced some difficult times and yet were resilient, I believe, because of the strength and power of God to help them overcome a difficult situation and yet move forward. Let's think about Paul in the New Testament and his writings. He talks about how persecuted he was, how many shipwrecks he had, how many times he was beaten and flogged you know this kind of thing how many times he was stoned and yet he continued to move forward. And why did he move forward? Because he had a vision, he had a purpose, he had a meaning to his life, and that was to share Christ with as many people as possible. So part of the goal of resilience is it's easier to be resilient when we have a goal or a purpose or meaning to look forward to, to get back into the game or to get back into as much of life as possible, and we can just. There's so many passages of Scripture, you know, in the Old and New Testament talk about people that suffered or went through some challenging times and yet relied upon God and came out victorious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and from a leadership standpoint, one of the biggest, you know, resilience is. It's huge. You know there's stories after story of people being resilient and you know, one of the things that I think about is how it's tied. Resilience is tied into some of emotional intelligence A lot of people we've talked about emotional intelligence on here before and that's that self-awareness, that self-regulation, and to tie that and empathy and everything and to be able to know where you're at and where you're going.
Speaker 1:You know, and you know when we talked about you know like visionary communication last week, you know people once once to be resilient and you go through that. You're aware of yourself and aware of where the vision is of the company and where you're going to be able to know that there's going to be stumbling blocks in the way. Knock on wood, that there's never a stumbling block for you. Hopefully you've made it past the stumbling blocks, but to be able to adapt and you know, redo your thinking or keep your steadfast and you know some of your desires and that's that's what leadership growth, that's what leadership success is. You know we talk about a lot of times. One of my favorite things is you know, like Ben Franklin and Nikola Tesla and stuff they. They failed so many times but they were resilient because they had that vision, they knew what they were trying to accomplish as far as helping and changing the world, and I mean just kudos to people that have like big time resilience.
Speaker 2:Exactly right. So you know I'm sure many of our audience has heard this, I've heard it, you've heard it but it's hindsight is always 2020. I don't agree with that. I believe it can be true if we learn from our experience. If we go back and go, oh, I made that mistake and that's why this happened, or oh. But if we keep blaming other people, if we're always blaming other people for something that happened and we don't take responsibility, then we're not learning from our experience. Our hindsight is not 2020 and we're going to make the same mistake again.
Speaker 2:And you know, if we keep doing that, over time, it's harder and harder to be resilient. So one of the important aspects of being resilient is being honest with ourself and saying you know what I made that mistake. Take responsibility and say you know I made that decision, I was the one that messed us up. I'm going to learn from that. Next time, I might get more input. Next time before I make a decision or, you know, I might do more research or might take more time or something. I'm going to do something different so that next time and I'm choosing to there needs to be a next time, and that is part of resilience we choose to have a next time. I'm going to make a different decision because I know what I did wrong and I'm going to correct it so that next time I will not make the same mistake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, leaders see challenges, they see setbacks as opportunities for learning and growth. You know, a lot of people ask me would I do anything different? I can, I mean, but you know, looking back, I mean you're not going to change thing. I can't, I don't have the magic time machine yet you know you never know. Times are changing fast, but I mean you know I mean you didn't.
Speaker 2:You didn't go out and buy a DeLorean for Christmas. Well, you know, you know, I keep waiting for myself to show up with the DeLoreans, I didn't have to spend the money, right, okay, okay, I'm sure it's coming. It's coming back from the future.
Speaker 1:But you know, if those setbacks, would I change anything in business over the last 30 years? I mean, there's a lot of stuff, but I wouldn't be the person I am today if I wouldn't have went through some of those setbacks and those, those trials and tribulations. I look at things today totally different than I can imagine. You know, and and and I I guess I'm I'm an eternal optimist now because I always figure that there's always a way to work it out right, because you've been through so much that that you just have to if, if, if you, if you need to go out and make an extra, and not everybody has this.
Speaker 1:I hear this from my wife because she's she's a, you know, a corporate person, right, but my mentality is if, if we need something, then I need to figure out an additional way to go out and make that money right, because through resilience I've had so many things where I couldn't figure out how to ride a check to pay my rent and I was close to eviction, but I figured it out right Last minute a lot of times.
Speaker 1:Or you know the hour, right past the deadline, you know, but we did, and that that that makes you feel not that you can accomplish anything, but you, you, you can definitely if you put your mind to something. The resilience will give you that confidence to go. We can make this happen. If I needed to start another company tomorrow, I would know things based on the resilience of all of my other companies I've had and the ones that made it and ones that didn't make it what we should and shouldn't be doing. And there's still a lot to learn, but there's a lot that I have learned over the course of 30 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so what I hear you saying in between lines is you only fail if you stop, if you just stop, if you give up and you say I'm not gonna try anymore. But if I keep trying, I might try something different. I might try it slower, I might try a different angle, I might look at a different paradigm, I might try a totally different way of doing it. I remember years and years ago for those of you who are familiar with Odyssey of the Mind I was an Odyssey of the Mind coach for some elementary school kids.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Odyssey of the Mind, tell me it's a creative problem solving event, and so you have a problem. And so one of the problems that we had was okay, so you have a golf ball, I mean, I'm sorry, a ping pong ball. You have a ping pong ball, and you had to make a structure out of balsa wood that would hold your ping pong ball. Okay, now you can make, and you only had so many grams of balsa wood. I don't remember this, it's been several years ago and so the question was you build this structure out of balsa wood, and then they would start putting on weights, like from the gym, different pounds of weights, a two and a half pound or a five pound weight or a 10 pound weight and the question is how much weight will your balsa wood structure hold until it collapsed? Okay, but then, when it collapsed, the ping pong ball had to shoot out before it got crushed, okay, so there's so many different.
Speaker 2:When we went to the competition, there were so many different ways of doing it, and here would be the thing Once you had practiced and practiced, and practiced, but every time you practiced you had to build a new structure because you would break the other one, right. And so the question is sometimes things break in life. They do, they break in life. Sometimes we don't see it coming. Sometimes we see it coming, but are we willing to start and build another structure? Are we willing to do that?
Speaker 2:And so one of the lessons that I was hoping to teach the kids these were in elementary school, like third and fourth graders was are we willing to try again and try better, to make it so this time, instead of holding 15 pounds, it holds 20 pounds or 30 pounds or 40 pounds, and we keep trying and trying and trying until at the very end. You know, we had the best structure and now we didn't win that particular part of the competition, but the life lesson, hopefully, that we were trying to teach. One of them was teamwork. But also, are we gonna keep trying to just continue to better ourselves once things got destroyed?
Speaker 1:And tell me again what this was called.
Speaker 2:It's called Odyssey of the Mind.
Speaker 1:Odyssey. I think that sounds fascinating.
Speaker 2:It's problem solving, creative problem solving, competition. It's all over the United States. I think might even be all over the world, and it was just a joy to work with those elementary school kids and do problem solving events and I think that's part of life. You know, when we have a challenge, when we have a setback, we might need someone to help to think through how are we gonna do this, how are we gonna do it differently so we're better next time, and great life lessons that I think we can pass on to our kids. You know, okay, the vacation didn't go like we wanted it to, or someone so got sick and we can't go. So what are we gonna do now for our family time, instead of going on vacation this year or during spring break? We can't go because there's a hurricane coming or there's something happening. You know we can't go. What are we gonna do to solve the? How are we gonna get over? What are we gonna do instead of what we had planned?
Speaker 1:Interesting. I'm gonna check that in. I think that'd be fun to incorporate in some of my leadership training and some of the stuff you know, and just have fun with my kids. I got younger queer kids and they love that stuff and very analytical and stuff that'd be fun.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's fascinating. I'm gonna have to check into that. Awesome, awesome, awesome. Well, you got any. You know we've talked and we could still talk a lot more about resilience, but you got any dad jokes.
Speaker 1:We're pushing our time here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're pushing our time, we're pushing against the clock.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I have any more good resilience. Oh, I got enough. I got one.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you're gonna so you know, february big, big wedding month, okay, valentine's big wedding month. And so why do melons have weddings?
Speaker 1:Melons.
Speaker 2:Melons. Why do melons have weddings?
Speaker 1:I did know, melons had weddings. Well, they do.
Speaker 2:But why do melons have weddings? Tell me why? Because they can't elope Nice nice, there we go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only other silly one that I have is why don't pillows give up easily?
Speaker 2:Why don't pillows give up easily? I don't know.
Speaker 1:Because they're always keeping their head up, no matter how much pressure they're under Dumple.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, why did they?
Speaker 1:I told you mine aren't that good because they're all resilient based on this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they are resilient based. Okay, here's one that has nothing to do with that. I'm resilient to you. Okay, why did the duck fall on the sidewalk? This is not. Why did the chicken cross the road? Why did the duck fall on the sidewalk?
Speaker 1:I don't think I've ever heard this one.
Speaker 2:Because he tripped on a quack. Nice Well.
Speaker 1:I think that one's gonna be the end.
Speaker 2:There's two things I like in the world is donkeys and ducks.
Speaker 1:So we're good. So we'll end on that one. Hey, if you wanna get hold of us, unless you have something that's pending there is, you see, one morning in your sheet, we'll close it out there. If you wanna get hold of us and give us some good dad jokes, that would be great.
Speaker 2:Or if you need to contact us because you need a counselor, or you need some help, or you need prayer requests, whatever, please.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just shoot us an email, Go to biblicalleadershipshowcom, find out information. We'd love to help you through any of that. Point you in the right direction. I've got a person sitting here with me that's got a long history of working with people through counseling and different items and I do a lot of that stuff myself. But other than that, guys, we thank you. We appreciate you sticking here with us and having fun with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just ask one favor of those of you who are listening why don't you share our podcast with someone who's not listening? We're trying to expand our audience, trying to get it up to nine listeners. Yeah, nine listeners now. We've really grown in the last five months.
Speaker 1:We have grown quite a bit.
Speaker 2:Yes, we have, and that's exciting, but we can always do more, so just check it out or leave us a review out there.
Speaker 1:Yes, if you like that, that would be fantastic. You can give us a five-star positive review, that's the ones we always like?
Speaker 2:Yes, we do, and it's throw us a dad joke in at the time.
Speaker 1:There you go. Other than that, guys, we enjoy it we appreciate you, dr Posey.
Speaker 2:Well, make it a great day Tim.
Speaker 1:Have a good one, thank you.
Speaker 2:Bye.
