The Biblical Leadership Show
Inspiration. Wisdom. Leadership from a Higher Perspective.
Welcome to The Biblical Leadership Show, your go-to resource for discovering timeless truths from Scripture that empower leaders to inspire, influence, and impact their world. Hosted by Tim Lansford and Dr. Dean Posey, this podcast takes a deep dive into the Bible’s profound lessons on leadership, bringing fresh perspectives to timeless principles that resonate in today’s fast-paced, ever-changing world.
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- Powerful Biblical Insights: We explore the leadership styles of biblical figures like Moses, Esther, David, and Jesus, extracting practical strategies for overcoming challenges, building trust, and creating lasting impact.
- Real-World Applications: Learn how to integrate biblical leadership principles into your workplace, team, or organization while navigating the complexities of modern leadership.
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Leadership isn’t just about titles or power—it’s about serving others, making wise decisions, and leaving a legacy of faith and purpose. Through relatable discussions, actionable takeaways, and encouragement rooted in Scripture, The Biblical Leadership Show provides the tools and insights you need to lead boldly and faithfully in every sphere of life.
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The Biblical Leadership Show
Justice and Mercy: Navigating Ancient Wisdom and Modern Dilemmas in Daily Life
What if the concept of justice was more complex than we ever imagined? Join us as we unpack the multifaceted nature of justice across different facets of life—personal, professional, and spiritual. We begin by exploring biblical parables like the talents and the vineyard workers, offering a unique perspective on distributive justice. These ancient stories serve as a foundation for discussing contemporary issues, such as wage distribution in construction, and the intricate challenges of maintaining fairness in today's world.
Communication is key when it comes to fairness and justice within relationships, whether at work or at home. Drawing from personal mentoring experiences, we emphasize the importance of leaders clearly articulating their goals and regularly reviewing progress with their teams. This principle isn’t just for the office; it works wonders at home too. By setting clear chores and responsibilities, parents can foster a sense of fairness among siblings. We also dive into practical advice on managing children's finances, helping to instill a sense of responsibility and equity from an early age.
Ending on a powerful note, we reflect on the profound lessons of justice and mercy drawn from the story of the woman caught in adultery in John chapter 8. Through a mix of humor and serious discourse, we explore how Jesus navigated the conflicting laws of Moses and Rome, teaching us valuable lessons on justice, mercy, and repentance. To lighten the mood, we finish with a playful joke about German shepherds, tying everything together with a reminder to make the most of your day and stay connected with us on various platforms. Tune in for a thought-provoking and enriching conversation that bridges ancient wisdom and modern dilemmas.
all righty welcome, welcome, welcome. I was gonna say my normal routine welcome to another exciting episode but I'm not welcome. Welcome, oh my gosh. We have been going non-stop here in the studio yes, we have getting, have Getting everything ready. Oh, it's just been a mad dash. Well, we're welcome, you're joined, you're we're well, yeah, okay, let's reboot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's reboot.
Speaker 1:Hey, we're glad that you're here with us. My name is Tim Lansford.
Speaker 2:And I'm Dr Dean Pogey. See, I mess up the intro.
Speaker 1:That's intro like I. I change it up. I say the same thing every week and I change it up, and then I, and then you mess it up it's, it's crazy, so that's okay, you know.
Speaker 2:Justice, that is the topic for the day. No justice in messing up the intro.
Speaker 1:That well, you know I'll, I'll let you have it. It's all right, we don't get caught up on the little, but that is a, that's a very important topic.
Speaker 2:It is For life for church, for business, it just is For parenting, it's just. You know, it's a very important topic for everybody, so I'm glad we're discussing it today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's one of those things that justice has. I mean I guess it could have many multiple meanings, right?
Speaker 2:It could. Okay. Well, there's really if we want to go there. There's several types of justice.
Speaker 1:I figured you might want to tell me a little bit about that.
Speaker 2:You bet. So you have distributive justice and that's determining who gets what. Okay. So, like in the parable that Jesus tells in Matthew 25 about the parable of talents, jesus tells in Matthew 25 about the parable of talents. You know, he gave ten talents to one person, five talents to another and one talent to the other. So you could look at that and say why didn't he give the same thing to everybody? Well, that's a lesson for another day. We'll get to that.
Speaker 2:But another parable that Jesus told was a man that had a vineyard and he went and hired some people and then later in the day he hired some more people. And the other day he hired some more people and later in the day, like an hour left in the day, he hired some more people. When it came time to pay them, he paid them all the same. And the people that worked all day long got so upset because he paid them. They worked 12 hours. He paid them the same. And the people that worked all day long got so upset because he paid them. They worked 12 hours. He paid them the same as the people that worked one hour and he said hey, don't, I have the right. I gave you what I promised okay, so I'm not cheating you. But they felt it was injustice because they had worked, you know, 12 times more than the people that worked one hour.
Speaker 2:And Jesus said in the parable the vineyard man said don't I have a right to do with my money what I want to do, and so we can look at that. Sometimes we think about how, about the talents, that are, the skills we have? Sometimes we get into trouble, we're jealous because someone has a better talent than us or has just a gifted, like a natural born musician. Some people just have a gift to do music. I mean, it's unbelievable. By the time they're teenagers they are very, very talented, skilled, and so you know we could be upset about that. We don't need to be, but that would be a distributive justice issue.
Speaker 1:The other go ahead. I'm still hung up on this. Okay, go ahead, because I'm thinking like construction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, construction.
Speaker 1:If I would do this to my guys, how much anarchy I would have.
Speaker 2:If you did what.
Speaker 1:Pay, you know, the one guy the same way, just the guy that showed up an hour at the end it's only if they would say something about it, obviously in the bible they said oh, my guys would definitely say something about it. Oh my gosh, yeah, there would be anarchy. Yeah, the thing I'm just trying to figure out but that's.
Speaker 2:That means that you, you want to treat everyone fairly, and I think, that's what justice is all about.
Speaker 1:But it would fairly, but would that be treating everybody fairly? And that's where I was going to go with this. I understand it's his money, he can do whatever he wants. It's treating fairly because he worked. But in my head I'm like I don't know if that is treating fairly, because my guys have been there all day. They would have to disagree that I was being treated fairly on them, right. Well, yes, and that's why I was going to have a discussion with you on this.
Speaker 2:But at the very beginning of the day, if you said, hey, I will pay you. You know, whatever let's say, well, let's just, let's do something. Say you were paying someone 250 bucks a day.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'll say you show up at sunrise, you work till sunset. I'll pay you 250 bucks. Okay, I don't know if that's fair or not. I don construction wages, but let's just say that Someone else comes who can do twice the work in the same amount of time. He shows up at noon and you pay him $250.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, and so the question is you promised the first guy sign up to Sundown and you pay him $250. So you're honoring your word.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's true, and then your trim carpenter comes in and just knocks it out and you pay him $250. So you're honoring your word. Okay, that's true. And then your trim carpenter comes in and just knocks it out and you pay him $250. So it's really up to the owner of the money and the agreement you have with the people up front. Okay, All right, I'm buying into this. Are we going into that? I'm buying into this, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to say Jesus is wrong at this point. Say Jesus is wrong at this point.
Speaker 1:I wanted to have more discussion on this because I was really trying to put that into real world scenarios. It's like I don't know what my guys would think. But I understand that because a lot of times in my cases, if I have people work a half day, they're taken away from getting another job. I pay them for a whole day, no matter if they work a half day or not, because I've made an agreement with them that I'm going to pay you this wage, whatever we get done. If I run out of work, then you guys go home or drive time or whatever it might be, but I do that. But I was trying to wrap my brain around that last guy that showed up in an hour.
Speaker 2:But I could see that you know some all right, fair enough, fair enough. The other one would be procedural justice and so that that a lot of times, that's where we look at how do we are people treated fairly? You know, is everybody, no matter who they are, is everybody treated fairly? And a lot of times, when we think about justice in society or whatever, that's the kind of what we're focused is everybody being treated the exact same, regardless of their race, religion, skin color?
Speaker 1:you know, whatever it is, is everybody being treated yeah, and that's what we get into on the corporate side of this is, is that fair treatment, that ethical treatment of everybody to put them all in that place? So so, yeah, that's, that's a big one to tie into.
Speaker 2:Uh, you know today's world especially yeah, and so then there's a I don't even know how to say this word. I'm going to mess it up but I'm going to apologize beforehand.
Speaker 1:Well, you're the doctor, so if you don't say it, I'm going to open my mouth, I'm just whatever.
Speaker 2:That's another part of justice R-E-T-R-I-B-U-T-I-V-E, Whatever, Okay, that's it. So that is a type of justice If someone does something wrong. Okay is everybody being punished, the same.
Speaker 1:Ah, retributive. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, retributive. Thank you so much. Thank you for helping me out here. I had to peek at his notes. I'm like, hang on your notes, I'm trying to spell this out in my head, right, that's like okay, I think we've had that conversation.
Speaker 2:If two of your children let's just say two of your children do the exact same thing or get in a fight, and you know it's always the other person's fault. Right, when your kids are, you know, in an argument, but when it comes to if you choose to discipline them, do you discipline them the same? I?
Speaker 1:think we've had this conversation in podcast three or something.
Speaker 2:No, we don't.
Speaker 1:Nope, no.
Speaker 2:Okay. And then there's restorative justice, and so that is when something is wrong you know been done in the past are we trying to correct the wrong fairly? So those are the different types. You know, pots of justice are the different types of justice that when you're so, when you talk about justice, it's important to know which one are we talking about, because you could be talking about one thing with your employees, I could be talking about another. We need to be sure we're on the same page.
Speaker 2:But the Bible is clear, you know, in Psalm 82.3, it says give justice to the weak and the fatherless, maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute. Isaiah 1.17,. Learn to do good, seek justice, correct oppression, bring justice to the fatherless and please the widow's cause. So the Bible is very much about treating people fairly. I mean, god loves everybody the exact same way, with the same depth of love. He loves everybody, and sometimes that's hard for us to comprehend. Do we deserve that kind of love? No, we don't deserve it. But he gives it as a free gift and because he is just, he is fair, okay, and he treats everybody the same.
Speaker 1:Yeah, from a corporate standpoint, we get into that fair treatment and you know it goes a lot deeper than, like, the race and all the background and identity and all that stuff. It goes a little bit more to. You know, one of the big things I pitch is the fair treatment of you being a leader walking in. If you walk in the door every morning and I, dr Posey, hey, great to see you, man, you're just knocking out of the park, you know you're doing really good, but you're sitting with six other people and I'm telling you that every day your team might be knocking it out and you might be part of the team, but I'm singling you out, giving you that pedestal. To me, that right, there is not fair treatment of everybody else because you're not sharing the wealth. If that's a team, if you're just a single person that's doing good, you're out there, not a problem, I'm going to give you kudos.
Speaker 1:But there's a lot of stuff that we have to watch as leaders. You know, a lot of times I tell people if you're going to give one good compliment, um, you know, if you can share compliments with somebody else and give them a compliment, give them that kudos, give them the pat on the back. You know that's what's going to motivate your people a little bit, and I think it's a good, fair process for leaders, cause a lot of times we get we get in routines, you know. You know we're like that, that rinse and repeat thing. You know, every time where we go to work it's the same routine, same same person, same coffee and all that stuff. And a lot of times we get into that. And if you get into that, that fair treatment, and you use that mentality, not past all the legal stuff but just the normal stuff of just conversation, it goes a long ways.
Speaker 2:It really does. And so one of the things that I had to learn because it was, let's just say, growing up there wasn't a lot of positive reinforcement. I'll just leave it at that, we can talk about that another day. I had to learn to do that, and one of the ways I learned was I had to be very intentional about it, because for some people, being encouraging and giving compliments and trying to be fair to all of that is natural for them. That wasn't natural for me, and so I had to learn to do that.
Speaker 2:And one of the ways you have to say okay, at some point today I want to be sure I compliment that particular person. Then you get up the next day because so many times, you know, we get in our car, we go to work, we park in the same place, we go into the office, we speak to the same people. Well, what about the people in the back room? What about the people on the other floor or in the other department that we never see? So the question is it would be helpful for us to grow as individuals to intentionally look for people to compliment, to encourage, to say something nice to and spread that around, and that way, what we are doing is, I think we're practicing this aspect of justice, that we're trying to treat everybody equal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'll flip back over to the corporate and then we can get into some. Biblical is one of the big things that I come in with. Accountability and transparency when you're dealing with justice, how are you holding one person accountable to the other person? Are you judging it just based on work output? You judging on their out attitude? You know a lot of people get as much work done as the next person, but they've got a bad attitude. Um, how are you judging yourself? You know, how are you taking your failures and turning them into successes? Are you taking consequences for your actions?
Speaker 1:And that's one of those things that, if it goes back to treating everybody fairly but I think that's a huge one in the corporate is the accountability and the transparency. I always tell people as a leader, the more transparent you are as a leader, the more that you're going to appear as a stronger leader. You're going to appear as a leader that demonstrates empathy a little bit more, and that's ultimately what we're trying to do. So make sure, as a corporate, that you're spreading the love, right. You know, I always say when you point at somebody, it's that three fingers pointing back at you sort of deal and make sure that you're the one being accountable and transparent to your own actions and the other person's actions as well, because that's ultimately going to tie into this justice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and another thing of justice, and I'll just bring it up One of the people that I meet with on a regular basis just to mentor him. He has a new job, and so I was just talking to him about his new job. He's very excited about it. I think he's going to do really, really well with this job. He's got a lot of creativity in him, a lot of energy in him, and I said so what is your outcome objective, or what is your boss's outcome objective for you in 12 months from now? You're sitting with your boss a year from now and you're looking back over the year, and what does he want you to accomplish within the next 12 months? You know what his answer was. What I have no idea.
Speaker 1:Awesome.
Speaker 2:And I said so. Why don't you sit down with him at some point in the near future and ask him that question? Because I know that from experience and I've done this and it was not good is evaluate people but never sharing with them the expectations I had with them. That is not justice at all, okay, that's just the opposite of that. So those are the people who are in leadership that do evaluations, or people that are being evaluated, which would be all of us. At some point, we should know. If we're the boss, what do we expect those people that we evaluate? What do we expect them to do? Do they actually know that? Is it in writing? Do we hold meetings with them on a regular monthly basis, quarterly, whatever, to kind of help them know? Are they moving towards these goals? And if we are the one that's being evaluated, which most of us are at some point or other, do the people that we are accountable to have we heard from them what their expectation is, so that when it comes to that time of evaluation, there is fairness, and that's what justice is all about being fair to everybody involved. And so I think that, right there, I think it also goes into our families If our children have certain chores or responsibilities that they are supposed to have.
Speaker 2:Are they written down? Do they understand them? Do they understand what they're supposed to do, how they're supposed to have? Are they written down? Do they understand them? Do they understand what they're supposed to do? How they're supposed to do it? Do they understand the timeline and all of that? Maybe the kids are old enough now to do their own, make their own lunches, or maybe they are old enough to do the yard work or do their own laundry. Have they been taught how to do that? Do they know how to do all that? So I think just sitting down with them and outlining expectations is a huge aspect of justice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and justice and fairness. And sometimes they like my kids. As you were saying that, I was like, oh yeah, my kids See, they have justice. As you were saying that, I was like, oh yeah, my kids See, they have justice. If I go get my son some Robux right so he can play his games, my daughter is like, well, you spent like $50 over there, so that's like a $50 dress, right, Right, so I mean that's justice, you know.
Speaker 1:So there's different forms of justice as well, right, you know, as we sort of talked, and I don't know that that falls into fairness and justice, but I guarantee my daughter would say that it does, you know, and my son too you know the age that they are and you've got great kids.
Speaker 2:you know, and so do I, that they look at those kinds of things and and and so so many times in life with children and even adults. I've experienced a lot of adults in my line of work that feel this way about love that love is like a pie, and if you give a big piece of pie to my brother or sister, then that's less you're going to give to me.
Speaker 2:And they don't see it as something that's infinite, that you can love them the same.
Speaker 2:That's hard for them to comprehend, even adults. I've talked to people that have had that experience and they've never felt like they were loved as much as their siblings. And so they feel like growing up there was injustice in their family because they were maybe the one left out, or you know, there was five kids and or four kids, but they are always the one that just never did anything right or they just never felt like loved or appreciated by their parents. And so parents if you're listening to me and I hope you are you know that I think that'd be a great thing to just do in a self-evaluation. If you're listening to me and I hope you are you know that I think that'd be a great thing to just do in a self-evaluation. If you're married, talk to your spouse about that. Are we treating our kids fairly? If you're a single parent which is, you know, challenging then maybe you can ask your best friend or sit down and just kind of do an evaluation about how you're treating your children.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. I think that's great. And if you aren't a parent and you're a 9-year-old kid or 10-year-old kid, what good words of wisdom we have about justice for them.
Speaker 2:Well, I would say, you know, one of the things in my experience of dealing with kids one of the biggest arguments that parents and kids get into really starting I think it really starts about 10 years old, maybe a little older than that is about money, and so the question is do they spend? You spend the same amount of money on each child. The kids know that when it comes to Christmas, birthdays, whatever, I know that one of the greatest things my parents did for me we did it with our kids was between the sixth and seventh grade. They gave us allowance, a certain amount of money every month. They had figured it all out and they said OK, from now on, you buy your own clothes.
Speaker 2:You know now they'll pay for certain things if it was school related or whatever, but they had figured out which I think was very fair where there were six kids in my family, and so we got this allowance. This was not for mowing the grass we got, you know we had to do, you know chores around the house, but this was no, you buy your own clothes from now on. So that kind of thing was fair, it was very fair, and so it was one of those things that I think parents need to talk to their kids about money, they need to talk to their kids about responsibility and they need to be role models of that, of course, but I think treating all your kids fairly financially is really a huge issue for lots of kids growing up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, and I agree, and I think there's ways that you can balance it out. And if you're doing what you, you know, if you put some pre-thinking to it and set it up something like you're talking about whether it be bank accounts and allowances and all that stuff, I think there's a lot of stuff you can do. I really try to hit in the value of money to my kids, you know, and my daughter will be like I got money, I'm like you want to pay the bill. You know, go ahead, I got money, I'm like you want to pay the bill, you know go ahead $110.
Speaker 2:And she's like I don't have that much. I'm like, oh, I mean, oh, you're going to take us out to dinner.
Speaker 1:Great, thank you so much.
Speaker 2:And so I constantly am trying to do that a little bit to them.
Speaker 1:Well, speaking of money.
Speaker 2:Speaking of money, who was the greatest financier in the Bible?
Speaker 1:The greatest financier in the Bible.
Speaker 2:The greatest financier in the Bible. I'll just give you a hint. Go back to our first few podcasts Noah, noah. You know why Noah's the greatest financier in the Bible? Tell us, because he was floating his stock while everyone else was in liquidation Cha-ching. How about that one? Just throw that one in. All right, that's a pretty good one, actually, you know.
Speaker 1:Last, week was a lot of dog jokes.
Speaker 2:There was some bad jokes.
Speaker 1:There were some bad ones last week there were some really bad ones. So if you made it this far in the podcast and you made it through last week, woo.
Speaker 2:Well, here's another one. Here's another one, okay, about finances. Who was the greatest female financier in the Bible?
Speaker 1:Oh, you did good on the. You did some research on this. I did. I do not know.
Speaker 2:Pharaoh's daughter. Pharaoh's daughter yes, she went down to the bank of the Nile and drew out a little profit.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good too.
Speaker 2:I like that Two in a row. My gosh, I am on a roll today. I better stop. I don't know if I'm ahead, but I better stop. I'm telling you those are actually pretty good. I'll give you that, Okay, good.
Speaker 1:So let's talk about the biblical stuff. We've been going through the corporate side, through the parental side, and let's talk a little bit about the biblical side of justice. I think it's a pretty huge thing. There's been lots of stories. You mentioned a few of them. So what do you think some of the big stories that tie into justice?
Speaker 2:Well, I would think that maybe the one of the most, that maybe most people are familiar with, even though they might not be a student of the Bible, is the story in John chapter 8 about the woman being caught in adultery. So many lessons we can learn from that. But one of the things that's important about that particular story is not just the story, it's what Jesus said after the story. Just the story, it's what Jesus said after the story. And at that particular point Jesus said I am the light of the world. Now, what's interesting about that is that's the only thing he said about himself. That he also said about his disciples, because in the book of Matthew 5, verse 14, he said you are the light of the world, and here in John chapter 8, he said I am the light of the world. So he was talking about that in the context of this story of this woman who's caught in adultery. And so if you don't know the story, let me just kind of summarize it.
Speaker 2:We see, in John chapter 8, there was this woman caught in adultery and according to the law of Moses, which would be the Old Testament, that she should be stoned for that. But if Jesus said, stone her, that would go against the Roman law, because the Roman law forbid execution by Jews. So Jews couldn't do that. But if Jesus said don't stone her, then he would be going against the law of Moses. So all the people that were surrounding him wanted Jesus to say stone her, but he couldn't say it. So they were trying to trap him in between the law of Romans and the law of Moses. And so it's true the law of Moses, yes, she should be stoned, but Didn't he say like cast the first stone.
Speaker 1:The person who has no sin yeah, has no sin.
Speaker 2:And what's interesting about that? Before he did that, jesus knelt down and drew in the dirt. Now, accordingif you were a Jewish person, you interpret this completely different, because back in the Old Testament, god used his finger to write the Ten Commandments on the stones that gave to Moses. So when Jesus went down and wrote it in the dirt with his finger, then one of the ways you can interpret that he was saying hey, wait a minute, y'all you don't realize that I wrote those laws. I was the one that wrote those things and gave them to Moses. And so he was saying I'm the one that did that. And so, throughout the Sermon on the Mount, jesus said well, you heard, in the Old Testament it says this, but I'm telling you, I want to tell you, what that actually means. And so here's the thing In the book of Exodus, chapter 23, verse 2, there's another law that the people in that story had forgotten, and that is that no one could be a witness in a criminal charge if they had ever committed the same crime.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you couldn't accuse someone and be a witness in a case of adultery if you had already committed adultery. You couldn't accuse someone and be a witness in a case of adultery. If you had already committed adultery, you couldn't be a witness. So Jesus said okay, whoever of you is without sin, you cast the first stone. So he said hey, if you've never committed adultery, go ahead and do that.
Speaker 2:And what does the Bible say? It said that the oldest ones went away first, and then, eventually, everybody went away. So basically, what we read in the story was that everybody that was accusing this woman of something, they had already done it and according to that law, they could not be a witness to this particular crime or this thing that this woman had done. So Jesus was finally saying, hey, I don't condemn you. But then he said go and sin no more. So Jesus is saying, hey, there is justice, but there's also mercy in the eyes of God, and I'm asking you to go and sin no more, because next time that this happens, if it ever happens again which hopefully it doesn't I might not be around here to protect you. I might not be around here to defend you. So Jesus is encouraging this woman and all of us to say, hey, turn from those things that turn you away from God.
Speaker 2:You know you should turn towards the things that turn you towards God. And so and then, after all of that, he said I am the light of the world. In other words, if you walk in with me and you're constantly focused on me, you wouldn't be doing these things in the first place.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so it's like, yes, there's going to be justice, you know, but there's going to be mercy. And I believe that the Bible is very accurate and that God is a just God, that he has to punish sin, but he's a merciful God, and that Jesus died in our place so we could have forgiveness. And so when we look at the Scripture and we think about justice, I'm thinking of Lady Justice, you know, who's blind and has the scales and it's like no, there's a balance between justice and mercy.
Speaker 2:And when we look at the Scripture, I think we have to always look at both of them, because we don't deserve, we can't earn it, we don't deserve the love of God, but he gives it to us as a free gift and that's His mercy. And so great lesson there about justice and mercy from John, chapter 8. And I think it's a lesson for all of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think you can tie that into. You know, ultimately, you know, jesus forgave. Yes, he said you're cleansed of your sins, and I think that's one of the big things that, Jesus, we ask, that you know on a daily basis, A lot of people you know forgive us our sins as we go to sleep or whatever it might be, and I think there's a lot of power to the justice in the world to know that that's there right. There's a lot of wisdom there.
Speaker 2:Exactly right, but one of the things that's important for us to remember is that we might forgive somebody, but that doesn't necessarily mean it erases the consequences of our actions. And so sometimes and this is a very hard lesson for people to learn, and I've said this before when you make a decision, you're making really two decisions at the same time. You're making a decision for the action, but you're also making a decision for the consequence, and many times we're not in charge of the decision for the consequences.
Speaker 2:And so sometimes, when we ask for forgiveness, we want the consequences to be erased. That rarely happens in the legal justice system. Right, you might say I'm sorry that I didn't do this, but you still have to pay for whatever it is that you do, and so we have to think about that when we're parenting. If our kids do something wrong not if you know when that's going to happen then okay, is there going to be justice, is there going to be mercy? Do we just forgive the consequences or do we actually help them experience the consequences so hopefully they will learn the next time not to do a particular thing?
Speaker 1:Okay, right, All right, that's good stuff. You got any.
Speaker 2:I've got so many dad jokes today. I mean we're rolling down here at the bottom of this and you're two for two on awesome dad jokes. Well, I don't know if I'm going to try to be three for three, but let's just try that. Who was the greatest babysitter mentioned in the Bible?
Speaker 1:Ooh, the greatest babysitter mentioned in the Bible. I don't know.
Speaker 2:David. He rocked Goliath to a very deep sleep. I don't know if I can buy into that one I don't know about that one. I told you I knew I couldn't go three for three, oh man.
Speaker 1:I was going for three by three.
Speaker 2:Okay, here's one last one.
Speaker 1:Let's do another, noah joke.
Speaker 2:Okay, another Noah joke. I like Noah jokes. Why didn't they play cards on the ark?
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:Did they not play cards on the ark? And don't say, because they hadn't been invented yet. No, that's not the answer.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, that would have been the obvious answer.
Speaker 2:That would have been obvious. Yes.
Speaker 1:All right why.
Speaker 2:Because Noah was always standing on the deck, or maybe I'm two for four now. Okay, oh, my goodness, you got anything for us before we close out today.
Speaker 1:No, I've got some really lame ones.
Speaker 2:Oh, you got some lame ones. Well, gosh, go ahead. I just had two lame ones.
Speaker 1:No, I just can't, I can't even do?
Speaker 2:You can't even go up there today. No, Because, I mean, let's have some mercy on our audience.
Speaker 1:I punished him so bad that he was.
Speaker 2:Oh, last week, last week it was bad. They're still not getting over that. No, I'll let them off.
Speaker 1:Today I'll have some good ones next week. I just man. They were groan worthy last week.
Speaker 2:They were very groan, they were groan-worthy.
Speaker 1:Last week they were very groan, they were groaners. Well, hey, thank you for joining us. Hopefully you've you know, hanging out with us. I think with this, our 23rd podcast. So we're up to you know 42 listeners now.
Speaker 2:Really, what about the ones we pay? I'm exaggerating a little bit. I don't know what about the ones we pay.
Speaker 1:I'm exaggerating a little bit, I don't know. Anyway, if you want to check us out biblicalleadershipshowcom, go in there and send us an email or tell us a subject, and you know we're always looking at dad jokes. Go down to the bottom of the page and you can submit some dad jokes if you want to hear them on the air, because apparently we need some good ones. We really, from the last two weeks, these people are going.
Speaker 2:oh my gosh, no, you sort of saved us there in those first two I was trying.
Speaker 1:That's the last one, I don't know about you. You got one more that you want to close out.
Speaker 2:Yes, what do you call pastors in Germany?
Speaker 1:Oh, pastors in Germany? I do not know.
Speaker 2:German shepherds.
Speaker 1:I'll give you that one. That's good, I like that one Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, three for five, here we go, I'll take it.
Speaker 1:So all right. Well, guys, thank you. We're slap happy today, we're having fun, so hope you're having a great time. Have a good time wherever you're at, whatever you're doing, and log in and talk to us next week, listen to us next week, tell a friend, pick up a phone and pick up your phone, go to anywhere. You can go to Audible and find us. You can go to Apple Podcasts. You can hit us on our website. Whatever, just reach out, find us somewhere somehow and share it with someone else and make it a great day. Make it a great day. Make it a great day. Thank you, guys. Bye.
