Biblical Leadership Show
The Biblical Leadership Show podcast explores timeless principles of leadership through a biblical lens, offering insightful discussions and practical wisdom for leaders seeking to integrate faith and leadership in their personal and professional lives. Join us as we delve into biblical narratives, lessons, and values to inspire and equip leaders to make a positive impact in their communities and organizations.
Biblical Leadership Show
The Journey Within: Balancing Meditation, Prayer, and Personal Growth
Can a simple meditation practice transform your spiritual life? On this week's Biblical Leadership Show podcast, Dr. Dean Posey and Mr. Tim Lansford bring both wisdom and humor as they delve into the world of meditation. We begin with a series of dad jokes that are sure to brighten your day before Tim opens up about his personal challenges in maintaining a meditation routine. Dr. Dean then shares actionable tips for incorporating meditation into your daily life, from using timers to the role of noise-canceling headphones. Plus, the duo explores the fascinating distinction between meditation and prayer, and why starting small can make a big impact on your spiritual journey.
How does biblical meditation differ from secular practices? In a rich conversation, Dr. Dean and Tim unpack the unique aspects of biblical meditation, focusing on seeking divine guidance through the Word of God. They emphasize that meditation isn't just for solving problems; it's a tool for finding long-term wisdom and practicing gratitude. If you've struggled to quiet your mind, you'll appreciate their strategies for achieving consistency and the peace that comes from regular practice. This episode is a treasure trove of insights that will inspire you to deepen your meditation practice and find balance in your spiritual life.
Ever heard of the "Dean's List" technique? Dr. Dean introduces this clever strategy to manage distractions and clear your mind before meditation or prayer. You'll learn how writing down tasks can lead to more focused meditation sessions and better sleep. We also explore the concept of "brain dumping" to improve sleep quality and discuss the benefits of limiting phone use before bedtime. Finally, we encourage listeners to commit to longer meditation sessions for maximum benefit and invite you to engage with us by suggesting new books or topics. Join Dr. Dean and Tim for a lively, informative, and uplifting episode that promises to enrich your spiritual practice.
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Speaker 2:I'm Dr Dean Posey, and with me here in the studio is Mr Tim Lansford.
Speaker 1:Hey Tim, how you doing.
Speaker 2:I knew he was jonesing to do it. It's just he had that fire in him this morning.
Speaker 1:Well, I've got so many dad jokes to share today and I know the main topic is meditation, so I'm going to have people meditate on my bad dad jokes.
Speaker 2:Oh, boy Does therapy and meditation go along.
Speaker 1:We'll just start right off with one.
Speaker 2:Okay, here we go he's fired up today, guys, he's fired up my gosh, what do sea monsters eat? Sea monsters eat. I don't know the letter c fish and chips.
Speaker 1:Nice, okay, meditate on that one Meditate on that.
Speaker 2:So meditation, reflective, meditation. Do we have any more. You're looking at that sheet over there.
Speaker 1:I have so many dad jokes we could take the entire 35 minutes to just do dad jokes.
Speaker 2:Maybe we need to have a bonus show.
Speaker 1:A bonus week to just do dad jokes. Maybe we need to have a bonus, you know, bonus show. A bonus week to just do dad jokes, see who can laugh first.
Speaker 2:And to be our highest rating, right behind when my daughter was on with us last week.
Speaker 1:Yes, that was so fun.
Speaker 2:And she's got to be on here in the next couple weeks.
Speaker 1:Okay, she was just Before school starts again. Yes, we got to have her back on, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:She's ready to be a regular host and she's ready to take my spot on this she is yes, okay, so she might like this one.
Speaker 1:What do you call a sad strawberry?
Speaker 2:I do not know.
Speaker 1:A blueberry.
Speaker 2:You came prepared.
Speaker 1:Yes, I do so what do cows read the most? What do cows read the most? Cows what do cows read the most? Don't know. Cattle logs you got some pretty good ones in there.
Speaker 2:I got some good ones today. I really am the moaners and groaners.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, we won't talk about that, because they're all going to be moaners and groaners.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for the people listening, they're all going to be moaners and groaners. Yeah, for the people listening, they're like, yes, they're all moaners meditation. You know, uh, I told you this was one of the big things that, uh, I was excited about, because I'm working on trying to get back and get back into that into the saddle on when it comes to meditation.
Speaker 2:I used to meditate A lot, just a lot, a lot it can be healthy A lot, and it was like a boot camp. You know, I'd meditate like this. I've taught guided meditation but there probably for six months I was doing like eight hour meditations, like hardcore meditation, and it was just the most awesome time ever and I've got. Can I do eight hour meditations? Probably not gonna be able to fit that in with my hectic schedule, but I gotta get up to at least like an hour a day. I gotta get back into at least an hour a day. I really it's on my list and it's. I'm just gonna have to start it. So that's why I was sort of excited about this topic. That sort of gets me fired up again about it.
Speaker 1:And so that ties into our topic from last week about diligence. So you know, it's like anything else If you want to have a goal, you might not. The goal might be an hour a day, okay, and that's a great goal, but it might start at five minutes, yes, okay but it might start at five minutes.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, and anybody that has a cell phone which probably 95% of the people do, or more there's a clock or a timer on your cell phone. So what I do in the morning is I will go in and, depending upon how long I want to pray, and we'll talk about the difference between prayer and meditation, and both are good, but there's some similarities and differences between the two. But I just set my timer and it could be five minutes, it could be 15 minutes, it could be longer, but if we're not disciplined in the way, then we'll start thinking about well, how long you keep looking at your watch. So if you set a timer on your watch, I use ear-canceling headphones when I do that and I just listen to music. Sometimes I have a CD that's nothing but ocean waves and piano music and it's so.
Speaker 1:You just try to not think about stuff. You empty your mind and you know so. There's different forms, we'll talk about that. But it can be a good habit. But don't try to do an hour a day and then it doesn't work and then you quit. You know just five minutes.
Speaker 2:It's like we mentioned the gym membership, you know, last year Exactly right.
Speaker 1:So it's like okay, this week I'm going to do five minutes a day. Next week I'm going to do 10 minutes a day. Next week I'm going to do 15 minutes. And you might just hold it 15 minutes for a month or two and then you're ready to go the next one. Because if you do that slowly progress, then it just becomes part of your daily habit. And that's really what we're talking about. You want it to become a part of your daily routine, just your DNA of what you do every day. You might have to get up early to do that. You know, I tried to do it at late at night. I used to be able to do it late at night. I'd fall asleep.
Speaker 1:now, so, I get up in the morning and you know do my Bible reading and prayer stuff meditation early in the morning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's sort of where I am. I used to be a night guy and now I'm more of a morning person. And you know and I teach that when I'm teaching my corporate clients and, like I say, I meditate from time to time I've just got to get more, I have to extend the length, I have to be more disciplined on it and you know, it's one of those things that you know, I teach it in my corporate. To do your morning routine, you know, take two hours, don't check your email, don't get caught up in that. You know, if you drink coffee, do your meditation gratitude. You know there's lots of different stuff that you can do to create that morning routine and it's exactly what you said is, it's baby steps.
Speaker 2:You know, I tell people, when my corporate client, when I'm working with them to get in shape, it's literally get up and do 10 setups. That's all I want you to do. And then for the 30 days we do 10 setups, and then now I want you to do 10 pushups and 10 setups. That's all. It'll take you exactly one minute maybe, you know, and it won't take you very long. And then we end up doing some squats on month three. You know, do 10 squats a day and you'll be surprised if you just do 10, 10, 10 over three months, how much better your body's going to feel, how much your brain waves change.
Speaker 2:You get the different chemicals in your body as you work out. You're building muscle and doing different things. That's going to fire in there to help you in your journey. There's so much that happens. Our body is such a smart. And then, if you can, you and I always say train your body. You know, and, and, and I, I I pitched this to my kids all the time. I'm like you know, like, if he's scared to go in a room, like my boy or my daughter or something, I don't want to go in there. You know it's all dark. I'm like you, this workout's good for me, and and and you keep going down that positive path, your body will see that as something that's good for you and it'll, it'll eventually take hold. So yes.
Speaker 1:And so think about what you were just saying as far as sit ups, pushups, squats, whatever it is, pull ups, whatever you know. If you start doing 10 a day, just 10, that's it. Just do 10 pushups. Well, if you do that for 30 days 10, you're going to think I can do more than 10. I can do 15 or I can do 20.
Speaker 1:And the same thing is true with time spent in meditation or prayer. It's like if you set it for five minutes, then before long it could be a month, but before long that five minutes it goes by so quick. At first it's going to seem like an hour or two, but before long you're going to go wow, it's already over. I could go 10 minutes now. I could go 10 minutes now. And it's just that being diligent over time, small, baby steps, and discipline yourself to do that. Now, in order to do any type of meditation, you're going to have to think okay, what am I not going to do in order to spend time meditating? Am I going to not sleep? Am I going to not read my phone? Am I going to not sleep? Am I going to not read my phone? Am I going to not do whatever You've got to substitute that time of meditating and prayer for something else, and so the question is what's the something else?
Speaker 2:right.
Speaker 1:And that's individual decisions. So I think that's a good thing to think about and it goes back to that time management.
Speaker 2:We can always fit something in if we really want to fit it in. You know, there's always a way to revamp our schedule. Do something a little bit different. You know, social media takes up so much of our time now, our phone or checking email. There's lots of different ways that you can do it, from a time management to a goal setting. It's just figuring out what you want. But I mean, it's just figuring out what you want and but I mean one of the things that you, you made me smile when you talk about time.
Speaker 2:You know, and when I, when I used to teach guided meditations, all the time is, uh, I'd always start a timer and I would do a meditation and everything, and and then we come out of meditation and I'm like how long do you think we were in in meditation and most people go, oh, it was like 15, 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:You know 15 minutes and that was like the consensus and I flipped a little timer around and it had been like an hour, an hour plus. You know, and it's amazing, if you go into a deep meditation, that time and space it disappears. Right, you can remember everything we talked about. But then you look at the clock and it does not match up with what your consciousness was. And this is the most amazing thing. I've had so many classes that I did this to where we, we, uh, and just it blows people away. So one of the things I always tell people is you know, make time, just go through the meditation and you know, like I say, one of the best things is that five minutes starting, if you can do five minutes and there's so many different forms of meditation.
Speaker 2:I guess that's where we very first should start you know Right exactly. There's so many different things you can meditate on.
Speaker 1:Right, and so I'm just going to go back to the Scripture. That's my favorite thing to meditate on, and one of my favorite passages of Scripture is Psalm 1. So I'm just going to read Psalm 1. Psalm 1. Psalm 1. I mean right there? Very first thing yeah, it sets—, just there I think it sets the agenda for the entire book of Psalms, all 150 of them. It starts right here.
Speaker 2:I started my audio book going back through the New Testament, so I'm listening to the New Testament again. I'm going to go through the whole two New Testament audiobooks. That's fantastic. That's my gym motivation, right. That's good. How much crazy work out. I think it's good Work out with listening to Paul or Jesus Start it out with yeah, that was good, Well listen to this Psalm one.
Speaker 1:Some of you might not have listened to this before, but it's really really good. Blessed is the person who walks not in the counsel of the wicked or stands in the way of sinners or sits at the seat of scoffers, but their delight is in the law of the Lord, and on His law they meditate day and night. So then it goes on this they are like a tree planted by streams of water that yield its fruit in its season and its leaf does not wither. In all that they do, they prosper. Now, that's just the beginning of it. So meditation is important.
Speaker 1:I think meditation is a healthy part of growing in our spiritual life. The question is what are we going to meditate on? Sometimes we just meditate on our problems and we meditate on how bad they are. The Bible encourages us to meditate on the Word of God, because when we meditate on the Word of God, the question is what happens after we meditate? What does our meditation create or force us to do? Action-wise or thought-wise? And so to me that's important.
Speaker 1:Sometimes people who meditate, they meditate, then they come back and there's no action. It's just a meditation, it's just a thought. They get kind of away from their problems for a little while, but they come back and they've just meditated on the problems, and so my encouragement is and the habit I've tried to follow is to meditate on the Word of God, so that I cannot just have a problem, but I'll have a potential solution for the problem or for the issue or for the dilemma I'm in or the challenge I'm facing or the question I need to answer. Especially when I was pastoring, there were so many issues, especially during COVID, so many things that we'd never had to deal with, and so we had to be in prayer and meditation. Lord, what do you want me to do about this issue right now? Because I don't know.
Speaker 2:So, Right. Yeah, and, and you know that's if you're looking for answers. I think that's one of the biggest things you can do is meditate, right, yes, and we can go down different paths. Angels, they speak to people, all the prophets, everybody. I mean the meditations throughout the Bible in so many different places.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:And whatever your beliefs are, or whatever it might be, if you quiet your brain and you seek guidance from a higher power. It's amazing some of the answers that come to you. But you, you got to learn to quiet your brain, right, this, this, you got to shut this thing off a little bit, and the only way you can do that is through constant meditation. You know, I tell people when we first start meditating if you never meditate, it's just your, your, your brain will be, you know, antsy and it's like your whole body's antsy.
Speaker 2:You know, oh, this is driving me crazy. And I said but just be consistent, do it for 10 minutes, do it for another 10 minutes, do it for another 10 minutes, and then you're going to find out that it's like, okay, this is nice. And then what I tell people is it's like you get on an elevator, then we go up to floor two. Now we're all antsy again, right, you know. And then we're getting different energies, we're getting different thoughts, and then then we get up on that. We go to floor three. Now we're all antsy again, right? So it's a constant struggle when you, when you, when you're meditating, to quiet the brain, to to see the different energies, different things that are coming towards you, and and you know, if you can go through and meditate on a certain thing and get the answers, you know that's one of the biggest things. Now you have a thought. Let's you finish your thought right.
Speaker 2:I was going to say if we're meditating on something, do we consider that prayer? What's the difference between, you know, like, if I'm meditating, if I say give me the answers to this and I go into meditation, is that a prayer? Or am I meditating to get an answer, or am I praying and then quieting my brain? You know how do you see the difference, and then I'll tell you sort of my thoughts on it.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll answer that, but then I also want to talk about distractions to meditation.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Okay, because there are many. I think there's a difference between, you know, secular meditation and biblical meditation. So, secular meditation, you want to clear your mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know that's the goal. But when you come out of that, when that time for meditation is up, you're just back to the same issue. There's not really a solution to the problem. You're still back. You might have cleared your mind, you might have calmed your spirit for a while, calmed your anxiety, but when you come out of that, the problem's still there. You don't have a solution. The problem's still there. You don't have a solution.
Speaker 1:And so to me, a biblical meditation is you're doing maybe the same technique, but you're really focusing on okay, god, what do you have for me? How do you see the answer to this problem? Give me the wisdom, because I don't have the wisdom for this and I need a solution. I don't know what to do, and so your focus is not on coming up with an answer yourself. That would be secular meditation, and maybe it's not just even an answer. You're just trying to escape for a while.
Speaker 1:But biblical meditation is you're really relying upon God, through His Word or through just revelation and through His Holy Spirit, to help guide you to something. And sometimes you don't have a problem. You're not meditating because you have a problem or a question, and to me that's healthy. You don't need to always meditate because you're trying to find a solution to a problem. You might just be at peace and just say God, thank you for the peace that you've given me in the midst of this that we're going through, and I just pray that that peace would continue. So to me, there's a difference. The technique might be exactly the same, but the focus of the meditation is different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree. And when you're doing mindfulness meditation, you know you're just trying to quiet the brain right, correct and you're trying to get where you can control the brain to quiet it, and the more you can learn to quiet it, that's when you're going to get your angelic messages from God to come in and you're not going to be able to just go. Is that my brain or is it my angels talking to me? And you're going to feel more confident when you do that and there's going to be a calming about you, a presence about you. I know, when I started meditating, it's not that I'm very high strung, I'm a very easygoing guy, but little things like that. Now, when I'm in full meditation, all the time they just bounce off me, even more than they bounce off me now. But I mean I, there's a piece about you and and people recognize it I've had a lot of people recognize it when I start meditating. They're like something's different about you and it's just because you're more at peace with yourself.
Speaker 2:And a lot of times we can't shut off our brains and even I can shut mine off, but sometimes I go down a little path, little rabbit holes, right, and I'm like all right, so then I'll just stop and I'll do a quick meditation Like shh, shh, shh that's my key word in my brain.
Speaker 2:You know, some people focus on color, some people focus on sounds, play the ocean. You know, sometimes it's a word, it's a mantra, you know and go through different things, but exactly what you said, that's mindfulness. Right, that's quiet in the brain when, if you're saying a prayer or something, if you're wanting an answer and you're asking and you're looking for it, first off you've got to be able to quiet the brain down. I think the mindfulness has a very important part because a lot of times, people, we create our own answers to our own problems, right, you know whether they're right or wrong. We think of oh, that's our best thing and it's our brain trying to figure it out, and and, uh, I think meditation is just this, this, uh, such an amazing part of who we are as humans, uh, to be able to dial into um the world that we don't know, and a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 2:You know, and and and you know, and it's amazing, it's amazing world If you look at it and you look at all the stuff that's in the Bible and all that's referenced and how it's presented. There's so much for you to take out of that to go. Don't think that you can't be the person that's meditating like Jesus, being out there and fasting and meditating. He's special. No, every one of us can do the same thing. It's just we have to have the desire and put the consistency and the diligence in place.
Speaker 1:That is so well said and think about it. I think one of God's greatest gifts to us okay, yes, jesus was the greatest gift, but one of the next greatest gift is the whole gift of prayer and meditation. Greatest gift is the whole gift of prayer and meditation because in that we can actually listen and talk to the creator of the universe, the one who actually created us. I mean, what a gift. He wants to speak with us. He wants us to listen so much that he gave us the gift of prayer and meditation. But let's just talk, just before we throw in some more dad jokes, let's just talk about what is a distraction to meditation and how you can overcome that. Now, this might not work for everybody, but it's worked for me and it's very old school, but it works okay. Now, whether you do it old school, like I do, pencil and paper, or you actually put it on your phone, that's totally up to you.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing I think people need before they get to meditate, they need to write down everything that they need to do today or this week. Just write a list of things to do. It could be a hundred things, because what happens is when you start meditating and quieting your mind. Then the distraction comes up. Oh, I need to call so-and-so about this job, or I need to follow up with my doctor visit, or I need to go to this place and pick up something at the hardware store, or I need to go to the grocery store. We start thinking of all these things and our brain just goes down these rabbit holes. So what I have done in the past is get a list of things to do that I need to do, and I keep a list. It's called the Dean's List. How about that?
Speaker 2:How original is that? Oh my gosh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And I have it right there by me when I'm praying and meditating and I have a pen. And so if I, because you start meditating and you think, oh, I need to call that person, well, that won't come out of your brain. But if you write it down, then it can be out of your brain. So what you try to do is get everything down on paper. That's a potential distraction to you, and the more you do that and the more you practice that, especially before you start meditating, then the less distractions there are and the more focused and valuable your meditation and prayer time could be. So that works for me.
Speaker 2:No, it works for a lot of people and that's one of the things. I work with. A lot of people that or they say they're insomnia people. You know right, I can't sleep, I can't shut my brain off. I'm like, well, the first thing you need to do is take your phone, put it in the living room, because that's the first thing. You know.
Speaker 2:I work with this one guy and this one client and everything, and he's like I can't sleep. I'm like I see you posting things at 12 o'clock and 3 o'clock he goes because I'm not sleeping. I'm like, no, it's because you have your phone in your hand and you're not laying there. I guarantee, if you just shut all that off, it was in the other room. You lay there and you don't have anything to do for 30, 40 minutes. You'll go to sleep. Trust me, I know these things Right and I said it's because you're on the phone that you're stimulating your brain, your stay awake.
Speaker 2:But that's a whole different story with that client. But what I what I pitch all my people a lot of times is I make them. Uh, when I'm working with a client that they they say they can't go to sleep, their brain's overactive, um, exactly what you say. I happen to keep us a pencil and a notepad next to their bed and as they're sleeping their brains you're constantly go. I said, turn the light on, write it down down. I call it brain dump, brain dump.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's a good word.
Speaker 2:And if you brain dump and then you go back, something's going to happen. You're going to think of something else, flip the light on, don't write the thing, just write the task and then turn your thing off. I said you do that three or four times and you're out. You're asleep because you've brain dumped and then your brain will instantly shut off and they'll go to sleep. And I've worked with so many clients that this isn't going to work, tim. And next thing you know, after doing this for three, four or five days, they're like oh my gosh, this has just changed everything about how I go to sleep, how rested I feel in the morning.
Speaker 1:Yes, and meditation and prayer time should be restful.
Speaker 2:Okay, it shouldn't be all stressed out, but if you can do a brain dump and write it down somewhere, your phone a piece of paper, whatever I tell people to do a piece of paper, because people, if they do it on their phone, because people are like can I use my phone? I'm like no, I don't want you to use your phone, because as soon as you go to your phone, you go to the notes list instantly your finger goes over to Facebook. You don't even know what happened. It's like what happened?
Speaker 1:Or you check your mail or your newsfeed or something.
Speaker 2:So no, you have to do it on a pencil and paper and set it next to your nice thing. Yeah, a Dean's List. Yes, a Dean's List, a Bob's List, a Tim's List, whatever it is it's going to come up. I'm going to use the Dean's List I like it and I've used it for years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and pencil and paper, and you know, just write things down and once you start, it one thing, there might be 10 things that you didn't know that was actually in your brain? Yeah, absolutely. And you just write them all down and you go oh, that's it, I can focus now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I have no problem. You use the phone during the day, it's just don't use it, right before you go to bed or you're stimulating your brain. You know, you know they. They say you need to be turning off your electronics a couple hours before bed you know, that's, that's the rule nowadays, and don't put them next to your bed, for for, for sake of you know, touch them and grabbing them and and or the all the stuff, the nasty stuff that's coming out of the phones next day.
Speaker 2:I don't live by that because my still over by my bed, but I don't surf at night, you know, but I at least I have it where I can touch my watch or something and be able to see what time it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I was before I was retired, I kept my phone by my bed because you never know, pastor could get called at midnight to go to the hospital, so it was very important. But I understand what you said. I know we just have a few more minutes.
Speaker 2:Get ready, on your blue button over there, I've got one for you. You want me to get the trombone or the rim shot.
Speaker 1:No, it's the drummer. Okay, oh yeah. What did the drummer name his twin daughters? Oh the twin jokes. Huh yeah, what did the daughter? You have twins you know?
Speaker 2:So what did the drummer name his twin daughters? I'm going with symbol something. Go ahead, tell me.
Speaker 1:And a one and a two. I think your daughter would like that one. You don't even get the rim shot on that one. I was waiting for the blue button, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:All right, I'll give you the blue one.
Speaker 1:Okay, there we go. Okay, here's another one.
Speaker 2:How did the hipster burn his tongue? Oh man, I think I've heard this one before.
Speaker 1:How did the hipster burn his tongue. I do not know, he drank his coffee before. It was cool. Oh man, I'm going for a double hitter there.
Speaker 2:I like that one, but that was definitely. I didn't do this one on you, so oh yeah, that's a sleeper. That probably was more appropriate.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's another one. What did the lettuce say to the celery?
Speaker 2:Oh, I've heard this one before, but I don't remember Quit stalking me. There you go, I give it to you, let's see. Okay, here's another one.
Speaker 1:What is small and red and has a rough voice.
Speaker 2:Small, red and has a rough voice. I do not know.
Speaker 1:A horseradish.
Speaker 2:I was going with a radish, but I didn't know a horseradish. I didn't know the horse rat is. I didn't know the horse rat is. I've got so many more but I know our listeners have already turned us off.
Speaker 1:I know man. Oh, here's one last one. Let's do a biblical one.
Speaker 2:All right Okay here.
Speaker 1:Where was King David's temple located? Where was King David's temple located? I? Do not know Beside his ear.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, let's see, because I always try to come up with the really groaners that are subject-related. How do trees meditate? I don't know. They contemplate their roots, oh.
Speaker 1:I wish I could reach the buttons.
Speaker 2:Oh, do I have any?
Speaker 1:Here's one. It's not really a dad, it's not like a joke with a punchline, but it's just a statement. It's a dad statement. Okay, time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 1:I think we're done yeah.
Speaker 2:Just you know that one.
Speaker 1:I'm just getting started, but I better stop because we don't.
Speaker 2:We want people to listen next week I understand, and we do want them to listen next week, and I don't even know off the top of my head what our subject is next week, I don't know, but we'll have to look at it something yeah, we'll come up with something.
Speaker 2:So, hey, uh, we thank you for joining us. Uh, you know, here's the thing about meditation. If you can start meditation, tell us a little bit about your meditation journey over at thebiblicalleadershipshowcom. You know, we'd like to hear it. I'm going to be going through my journey of meditation. Get back up where I can commit to at least an hour a day and it'll be a process. You process, it's always a process. Five, 10 minutes here and there, that's great, but I really want to get up. I think for me, I know my happy medium is when I can get over an hour. I get a lot of benefit out of that, with being able to control the brain and some of the messages I get. I think it's really good. So I'm I'm excited about my journey.
Speaker 1:So hopefully you are too, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:So other than that, you know, thank you for joining us. Hit us up biblicalleadershipshowcom. You got any good books, any good subjects that you want us to listen to other than that? So we'll get out of here. Dr Dean's put all his dad jokes up, so you guys are safe. I'm just going to ask him to send us on our way, but you guys are good for the day, all right. Well, make it a great day, all right. Thank you guys. Talk to you next week.
