Biblical Leadership Show
The Biblical Leadership Show podcast explores timeless principles of leadership through a biblical lens, offering insightful discussions and practical wisdom for leaders seeking to integrate faith and leadership in their personal and professional lives. Join us as we delve into biblical narratives, lessons, and values to inspire and equip leaders to make a positive impact in their communities and organizations.
Biblical Leadership Show
Joshua's Journey: Embracing Learning, Risk, and Innovation in Leadership
What if embracing continuous learning could transform your leadership style? Join us as we kick off the second year of the Biblical Leadership Show with an in-depth exploration of the book of Joshua. Drawing from personal anecdotes like Dr. Dean's open water swimming lessons, we highlight the importance of continuous self-improvement and course corrections. Just as Joshua stepped into leadership after Moses and grew through his journey, we uncover how modern leaders can be inspired to embrace new skills and adapt to challenges.
Ever wondered how the greatest leaders handle risk? This episode delves into the essence of effective leadership, focusing on trust, delegation, and calculated risks. We dive into the stories of Joshua and Rahab, demonstrating how taking bold steps and empowering team members can lead to remarkable success. We also celebrate victories and team efforts, drawing inspiration from Joshua's act of commemorating the crossing of the Jordan River with the 12 stones. Through these stories, we uncover the power of remembering and honoring achievements to foster a culture of appreciation.
Lastly, we unravel the significance of unconventional strategies and the need for adaptability in leadership. From the innovative tactics in the Battle of Jericho to the broader mission of eradicating ungodly practices, we highlight the importance of obedience and innovation. Modern leaders can learn from these biblical narratives to address counterproductive elements within their organizations. And to wrap up on a lighter note, we share a series of dad jokes and playful banter, inviting listeners to contribute their own jokes and look forward to our upcoming focus on the Book of Judges. Join us for a blend of humor, inspiration, and practical leadership insights.
all right, All right, welcome, welcome. Welcome to another exciting episode of the Biblical Leadership Show.
Speaker 2:Hey Tim.
Speaker 1:My name is Tim Lansford.
Speaker 2:yes, and I'm Dr Dean Posey.
Speaker 1:Dr Dean, how are we doing? It's a exciting day, it's the beginning of our second year. Second year, third season. We got a great season going on here we do. I'm very excited about this 52-week season, going through all the books of the Bible. I'm pretty excited about this one.
Speaker 2:I'm very excited about the book of Joshua.
Speaker 1:How's your day going?
Speaker 2:It's been fantastic. Had a great swim this morning.
Speaker 1:Nice had a great workout.
Speaker 2:It was really good and so you know it was good. It was really really good. Got a big triathlon coming up this Sunday. I know Coming up in the store Athlon, so you know can't have too much. Got to taper a little bit, get ready, rest up carb load and all that kind of stuff. And I'm excited yeah, I'm excited my first 1500 meter open water swim and I can do it in the pool, but it's a whole different on the lake.
Speaker 1:A whole different thing on the lake. Yeah, a whole different on the lake All the fish tugging on your feet and everything.
Speaker 2:I just try to stay away from the people because with so many people, there's hundreds of people out there. You don't want to get kicked or hit somebody. If you're not careful, somebody could hit you and you'd lose your goggles and then you're sunk. It's like how can you swim in the lake without goggles?
Speaker 1:No, I mean.
Speaker 2:I just stay. I just, you know, try to stay on the side and swim and do my thing and and yeah, it's hard Open water swimming has been a challenge for me. It has been a challenge and but I think that's you know. Let's go right into the book of Joshua, because one of the things about one of the leadership principles of Joshua is that leaders are constant learners. And so I'm not saying that I'm a leader of triathlon, I'm just saying that I had to learn to be a better swimmer and be an open water swimmer, because when you're in the pool, you have the lane markers, you have the line on the bottom, you know you can stay in your lane, whatever. When you're out in the lake, you know you're swimming. There is a lot of times the water is murky and you got your goggles on but it's like there's no line on the bottom, there's no line markers. So you have to learn to look up every so many strokes to make sure that you're going in the right direction and make a course correction, which I think is a great leadership principle, right here from the book of Joshua.
Speaker 2:You know chapter one, a great great book, and he's the one that took over after Moses died. He's leading the people into the promised land. But chapter one what a great lesson. He was not sure of himself and God was encouraging him be courageous, you've got this. But he was an apprentice for Moses for decades. But now it's his turn, and so he was needing to say hey, I'm still learning. I've been, I've been second in command for all these years, but now it's my turn to be the leader and I need to still learn. And what a great principle. I'm sure that you teach these classes all over the country on leadership principles and you know it's good to see people saying, hey, I want to be a better person, I want to be a better leader. That's why I'm in this class. Some people might have to do it because they just were made to.
Speaker 2:They were voluntold to be there, right they were voluntold to be there and you can probably tell them the first five minutes.
Speaker 1:Oh, I can always tell those people, right, I can. It's constant learning. I think that's one of the things that I do and people ask you you know what's some of your hobbies and your passions? I've got some great hobbies my kid's number one but it's learning right. I mean, that's what drives me. If I'm not, you know, sitting in a class or teaching a class, I'm usually sitting in a class because I love that knowledge, I love that to get that. I mean I think back.
Speaker 1:You mentioned your open water swim and I was thinking back about the day when you said, well, I'm taking swim lessons. I'm like your verbal swim lessons. I'm like, well, what's verbal swim lessons? Look like, right, you know, I got a coach right talking to him online and they are through all the phone and all I'm like there. That was a whole different thing to go that level you know to to. You know, do the level. It's one thing that you get in there and you start looking and practicing techniques, but I mean you had an actual coach working with you on some of your swimming techniques.
Speaker 2:I thought that was great yeah, because I you know, when I was learning to swim back at the YMCA in Albuquerque growing up, there was some great people there at the pool, but there wasn't anybody in the pool with you. Necessarily, this is how you need to move your arms or legs or this is how you have body position or anything like that. So, even though I learned to swim, I never was a great swimmer. I enjoyed it, but I never was a great swimmer I enjoyed it but.
Speaker 2:I never was a great swimmer, so I'm learning that your technique in swimming is so, so crucial. Your body position, your arm position, your head position, your leg position all of that is so crucial. I just thought you got in there and moved your arms and go. No.
Speaker 1:Well, you can for 50 yards, but if you're trying to do 1,500, it's a whole different story. Right, that's true.
Speaker 2:Because in a triathlon you're not just swimming, you've got to get out of the water and then jump on your bike and pedal 26 miles and then get off that and get off your bike and run six miles. And so you've got to learn how can I pace myself? And part of the learning is nutrition. What can I eat, what can I not eat, how much do I need to drink? You know what's my sweat rate, all that kind of stuff. And I am just constantly reading or learning, listening to a podcast, because there's so much to learn about the sport, and I just think great leaders are constant learners. They're just constant learners about something. It could be how to be a better parent, it could be how to be a better accountant, how to be a better carpenter, but I think one of the leadership principles is being a constant learner.
Speaker 1:Right, and I'm a huge fan of that. I do the same with all my podcasts in the morning and everything that I'm searching online. It's to make myself better. A lot of times it's stuff that I already know too. I grew up in the gym, I grew up working out, but there's still the science and everything's just evolved so much over the years that it's constantly changing, and if you look at enough stuff, you can read through the fluff, the stuff that's hyped up that isn't really there, and you can get the underlying meeting out of it. If you look enough stuff and you do enough research to figure out okay, this is this, this you know, report came out.
Speaker 1:Well, is this report real or was it paid by? You know the company that's selling this protein powder or whatever you know? But it usually if you do enough research you can, you can wind through that. But I mean the science and in general has increased so much about what we know about our bodies, science in general has increased so much about what we know about our bodies.
Speaker 2:So the one thing about it and technology is so amazing right now that you can listen to a podcast. Say, you got a commute to work, you're in your car for 45 minutes in the morning Listen to a podcast. Maybe you want to learn a language. There's some great online programs to learn a different language. You just do that for five, 10 minutes every day, 15 minutes every day and over a year period of time incredible learning that you can do. So now the thing about it is, I would say, pick one thing, just pick one thing. You want to get better at guitar? Okay, pick one thing. Don't pick five things and say, okay, I'm going to get better at guitar, I'm going to learn a new language, I'm going to be a better swimmer, I'm going to do this.
Speaker 2:No, pick one thing, focus on that for six months or whatever and see how you're doing, and if it's just not working for you, then just say you know what? I'm either going to keep doing until it does make sense or I'm going to try something else. But just constantly. How can I be better at something? And Joshua was that way. He said I just want to be a better leader, and in order to do that, for him was to listen to and follow God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly right. So we start in the Joshua. Let's go back to the cliff notes, like we do in this. You know he, you know, after Moses' death he becomes sort of the leader and to uphold and mediate the law and all that stuff. And you know there's mentions of the spies, like Moses did. And what was the purpose of the spies they sent in just to sort of get the feel for things.
Speaker 2:Yes, but also their very first battle was going to be the city of Jericho. So he sent these spies out to spy out the city of Jericho. They meet an incredible woman by the name of Rahab, who is a believer. She knows that the Israelites are going to come in and conquer the land, and so she agrees to protect them from the people that are searching for them. And so she hides them in the roof, and these people look for them. They can't find them. She hides them in the roof and these people look for them. They can't find them. And so they, the spies, go back to report to Joshua, says, hey, you know, this is what we're going to do. We can take this city, but we need to save this woman and her family because she was helping with us.
Speaker 2:So think about that from a leadership point of view. A leader, a good leader, trusts other people to do their work, to maybe experiment and say, hey, you know, bill or Mary or whoever you know, I don't know if we're going to go down this way or not. This might be something I'm thinking about to do for the next year. Would you go and research that and do that for me, or do that for the company and offload that so that that person can do some research. You might have two or three people do it. So they say, okay, you go out there and you check that out to see if it's a good option, come back to me, give us a report and then we'll talk about it as a team. I just think that's good leadership to delegate responsibility to other people and give them something of significance. Don't just give them delegate it to busy work, but actually delegate something of significance busy work but actually delegate something of significance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's one of the things. And stepping up in those challenging times is just a little bit, and you can see that from what Joshua did, stepping up into position of going through all the process and keeping what Moses started going down there. But even the, the stepping up of um, um, the girl, uh, rahab, um, that she, you know, stepped up and and, uh, you know, the the. There might've been multiple things that motivated her, but it ultimately takes somebody. It could be, you know, protection of her family. That's great, that was one of the big things that she was trying to do. But but at the same time, most people would actually maybe never stepped up, they never would have put their family in that position because it could have been exactly reverse. If they found them in the roof, you know hiding, then that would have been, you know a very bad thing but it worked out good, it was in good favor, but I mean, at the same time, out good.
Speaker 1:It was in good favor, but I mean, at the same time, they could have just fled, you know, and got out of the city and ran. But there's a lot of leadership lessons be done there and it's what you do to betterment of your employees, your betterment of your family, and all that through the challenging times because you're going to run into challenging times. It's what do you do. I mean, that's what defines a true leader is how you handle those moments of pressure and stress.
Speaker 2:Correct. And so Rahab took a risk. And so the question from a leadership point of view is how much risk are we willing to take? Sometimes we're just not willing to do any risk at all. We want to do the same thing every Monday, every Tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, and just kind of go along like we're on autopilot. But I think a leader says, okay, we've been doing this, I want to step out and take a risk. Now it might be a small risk of doing something, maybe one thing different, okay, maybe just one thing.
Speaker 2:And if it doesn't work, sometimes people say, well, I'm never going to do that again, and so they don't. But other people say, you know, that didn't work, I'm going to try it this way, I'm going to try this type of product or I'm going to try this type of whatever it may be. And they continue to try, risk and that's successful. And then they try a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more. And those great entrepreneurs, that's what they are willing to do. They're willing to take a risk for the reward.
Speaker 2:And that's what Rahab did. She took a risk, and then what we see is that the people crossed the Jordan River. The river stopped, you know. It basically parted. What's an incredible miracle right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which I found that very, you know, because you don't hear about that. I mean the parting of the Red Sea and all that. You hear that on every stories, but I mean just to have a river stop and I guess, like you mentioned, the dry land, I mean they walked across on dry land.
Speaker 2:So it's like wow, joshua, and the priests I mean the priests were walking into the river and the river hadn't stopped. But once it says once that their feet touched the water, the water stopped flowing and it just piled up, and then the water underneath them turned to dry ground. Stopped flowing and it just piled up, and then the water underneath them turned to dry ground.
Speaker 2:So not only did the water keep going, downriver, but God did the miracle and sucked all the water out of the ground so they could walk across on dry ground, and so one of the things I think is fascinating about that story is they're willing to try something new, they're willing to risk it even though they didn't know if it was going to work. And it did work, and so they led the entire people across the Jordan River. Then we have the story about the rocks and the guys picking up the rocks.
Speaker 1:Oh, we got to tell the story of the rocks. I mean, I think that was one of the most fascinating things about the story of the 12 stones. Right, the 12 stones.
Speaker 2:What's the symbolism of this and how? So Joshua, after the people crossed, joshua said okay, we need to remember this. And so many times companies have something really, really good, but they don't celebrate their victories, they don't reward their people, they just move on to the next thing. And I know, occasionally I was guilty of that I just wanted to move on to the next thing, I didn't reward my people. But I remember, sometimes too late, that it's important to reward your people for a job well done, to recognize them in a staff meeting or in public or whatever it is. It's important to do that. So Joshua said you know what? We're going to remember this day and we want other generations to remember this day of what happened. And so, while the water was still not there, he asked one man from each tribe, 12 tribes to go out into the river where the priest stood with the ark and pull out a stone from the river, and then, over on the side of the bank where they camped for the night, they piled it up as a memorial so that future generations could remember that that's what happened.
Speaker 2:So think about these schools you go into for basketball, you go into their arenas and you see these banners hanging up. You know state champion 2008,. You know district champion 2016. That's just saying, hey, we have the capacity to do this thing. We've done it in the past. We know we can do it in the future. So that's one thing about celebration it's not just celebrating the event, it's celebrating for future employees, future generations to say you know, we did something this important in the past. This company, this organization, this family, whatever it is, is capable of doing something great again, and we're going to do that, but we're going to have to do it together. And so that's one thing I think a great leader does is to motivate your people by remembering past victories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think this even goes, you know, even deeper, that they really don't get into it. But I think about the jubilation they had to be going. I mean, this is future generations. This has been going on for 40 years wandering, and then all of a sudden it opened and then you're in the promised land.
Speaker 1:I mean, this has been predicted for years and years and to be sitting up campground on the other side in the promised land. Just think about the excitement and the stories and everything that was going on in the campsite that night. That's sort of what motivates me even to thinking about it. Just wow, great time there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like you. You have a customer that wants a home built. You build a home and the people who bought the home, they're excited. It could take months or however long it takes Some take longer than others but when they first step across that threshold for the very first time with the keys in their hand, knowing that that's their home, I'm sure there's not just like, oh well, we're home. There's an excitement there, there's, you know, exuberance, you know some joy to say this is finally happening.
Speaker 1:This is our place.
Speaker 2:We did this, we planned it, we say for it, we work with these people. Let's just celebrate that. Celebrate that, and I think what good leaders do is you take time to celebrate victories and so that your people can continue to be motivated to do great things.
Speaker 1:Exactly right.
Speaker 2:And then the very next, right after that, after they cross the Jordan and all that kind of stuff, then they take on the Battle of Jericho. It's just a small feat, right? It's just a small feat, just a small city.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so one of the things that we were talking about and I wanted to go through this because a lot of people might not know I asked you some questions on the Ark of the Covenant. Right, so they're crossing over, they're carrying the Ark and the Covenant, right, so they're crossing over, they're carrying the Ark and Covenant, they're going around the outside city, right, carrying the Ark, and then they've got trumpets and all this stuff. So it was a very unique way they were doing this, if my story seems right on that you know good way to describe it.
Speaker 2:Well, they were following. They had to do something very unconventional, okay. And so, instead of going to battle for just a normal battle, and then the leadership—I mean Joshua said, hey, we're not going to do that, we're going to do something so different. And so we're going to march around the city. There's going to be a priest march around the city with ram's horns. They're going to be blowing the ram's horn. We're going to do that one time every day for six days, and on the seventh day we're going to walk around seven times and then we're going to shout and the walls are going to fall down. And that's exactly what happened. And it was so unconventional, but it worked.
Speaker 2:And I think great leaders, every so often they want to do something unconventional. Great leaders, every so often they want to do something unconventional. You know, whatever that is I don't know what it is for your business, but it might be okay. We're going to do something different. Okay, as a family, we're not just going to sit down and have another Saturday of just sitting around the house. We're going to have each person in the family, one Saturday a month, choose a family activity. Oh well, oh, do you want to do puzzles? Okay, let's do puzzles. We're going to go for a picnic at the park Okay, let's just do that. So we're going to do something that gives everybody an opportunity to have input.
Speaker 2:That's going to be something different, but it's a new way of living, and so what this was was really a test of the people, because God gave Joshua the instructions. He passed it on to the people, and so, really, this was a question of obedience. Were the people going to be obedient to God, through the leadership of Joshua, to be victorious in this very first battle? And they were. And so even today, when you say you know Jericho, people think about this particular battle, people that might not even be familiar with the Bible. You say the Battle of Jericho, they know something significant happened there.
Speaker 1:I remember a song about the walls coming down. Right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2:You learned that in vacation Bible school or something. But it's a powerful story about being led by God to do amazing things that you've never done before, and so to me, as far as leadership it's like, am I willing to do something different. Not to just do something different, but to advance the mission of the organization.
Speaker 1:So after Jericho they had more battles, right they went through lots of battles and the reason behind the battles were just to try to convert people to being part of God's army, or what was the overall thought process between this Now?
Speaker 2:think about this. They had been out of the land for 400 years.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Okay. So the land wasn't vacant. They had other people, mainly the Canaanites, come in and occupy this land. Okay well, the Canaanites had some very ungodly practices child sacrifice, worshiping other gods. Ungodly practices, child sacrifice, worshiping other gods and God said no, if you want to be people that follow me, those people need to go so that you can possess the land. And so we could get caught up in the battles and all that blood and gore and those kind of things. But the real purpose of that was to eradicate anything that was ungodly within the borders of the promised land.
Speaker 2:And so the question for us and for leaders is is there anything in my life, anything in my business, that is counterproductive to the mission? Is there an employee that's just not working out? I've given them a chance, I've given her a chance and I've given them multiple chances and it's just not working. I need to let that person go Now. I've had to let people go. It's not an easy thing to do. I've had to have difficult conversations with people in the past. It was not an easy thing to do and sometimes when you let someone go, someone else gets upset. I understand all of that, but if someone is not being productive to the organization, to the mission, maybe they're counterproductive, maybe they're causing all kinds of chaos within the staff or whatever, and you sit down with them over time and you talk with them about it and you give them guidelines and try to help them stay in their lane and all that kind of stuff, and they still don't do it. Then the consequence is are you going to just allow disruption to the organization or are you going to let that person go? And those are really tough leadership decisions.
Speaker 2:And what God was saying is if you intermingle with this group of people that have been in the land for 400 years, then it's going to become very quick that you're going to forget all about me, you're going to forget about being godly people and you're just going to become like them. And so you need to get those people out of the land and occupy the land. So that's what Joshua did. They fought those battles his entire life and at the end of the book we see that he divided up the land according to property. There's very, very detailed. If you knew about the land of Israel, you could follow all that geography, but it's very detailed about which tribe got what part of the land. There's still some battles to be fought, but a lot of them had been accomplished by the time of Joshua's death and he continued to fight that battle, continued to be faithful to God, continued with the mission up until his last breath.
Speaker 2:And we can see from that he never coasted. He didn't get to the place where he said you know, I've made it now I can coast, I can just kind of stay here until I retire. No, I'm going to fight this battle until my last breath, and I think that's what a good leader does. They don't coast. If they get to where they feel like they're coasting, maybe it's time to step aside or do something else. And so I'm sure you deal with that, with people that you coach and manage and stuff like that. They're kind of in there, just kind of waiting for the last couple of years so they can retire. They're not putting anything in, they don't have any new ideas, they're not willing to continue the fight or continue the hard work. They're just kind of coasting. And the organization suffers from that. And Joshua knew that and he said no, we're going to continue pushing this agenda that God has until the very last, and even after I'm gone, I want to be sure that there's leaders that follow me that push that agenda as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, that's one of the things. It's never adapting. Our world's ever-changing, so we have to be adaptable. Our worlds are changing, so we have to be adaptable. We have to pivot when we're faced with these, these new challenges. You know, uh, uh, new leadership of the country, new market shifts. You know all this stuff and and if not, you know things will, you'll, you'll wither and and, you know, die on the vine.
Speaker 1:There, you know, and, and I think that's one of the leadership thing is if, if, site, hopefully, you have a leader that diversifies, you know that, delegates down and spread some of that. So it continues that ever popular process of keeping the company going in a certain direction, because companies stall and they stall from time to time, but it takes a good leader to revigorate the company, to revitalize it and get it going. So I think that's what it did in Joshua's life of going through this is he accomplished a lot. I think that there was a lot of things that could have went wrong, but I think everything was, uh was going pretty good. I think he was a leader and he was celebrating successes and and it motivated people more and more and and, uh, you know, I, I think one of the big things that I got through the dividing of the uh the land is that sort of did a full circle, of sort of the prophecy.
Speaker 2:You know that that was back in one of those books, genesis or whatever you know look at me, go right, and you know I'll just.
Speaker 1:I'm getting ready to put my 40 years in as a preacher, right you know and I thought that was really a good thing where it full circle, because a lot of times you know, as leaders, we know that we're doing something and we know we're doing it for a reason, we have a vision or something and and we know that it's going to work out, we have to have faith that it worked out.
Speaker 1:But once you get that little oh it worked out, that that means a lot to you know, closing that gap to go all right, this is real right. I've been through that many a times. It's like you have the thought Israel right. I've been through that many a times. It's like you have a thought is it my brain or is it God talking to me? And then you're like I'm just going to have faith and move and then the signs start coming in and you get that physical oh, this happened.
Speaker 1:And you're like, oh, I understand, I believe, now you know and you have to have that to continue to motivate your people.
Speaker 2:Correct, and sometimes, in order for those dreams to become reality, they happen years later. Sometimes they happen in the next generation of leaders. For this, it was over 400 years of that prophecy dream becoming a reality. So a wise man told me one time that a wise man is one who will plant a tree knowing they will not eat of its fruit. And so you know, I think, great leaders.
Speaker 2:they plant those seeds knowing that they might not see the end result that they're wanting, but they know, at some point down the road maybe the next generation or the generation after that they will finally see the results that they had dreamed about in the early stages.
Speaker 1:Right. So yeah, that's great. Well, we got to do some dad jokes wrapping this up. We do have to do some dad jokes, and I'm sure that you're the person for that task. I don't know With his 67 new dad jokes and this box of emergency dad jokes with him.
Speaker 2:I have a bunch of dad jokes here, oh Okay. Well, do you want to hear a joke about paper?
Speaker 1:Sure, well, never mind, it's terrible. Oh boy.
Speaker 2:That's a bad one.
Speaker 1:I've got to get you that one on that one.
Speaker 2:But you know, believe it or not, believe it or not, I used to be cool, but then our AC broke.
Speaker 1:All right, I'll give you that one.
Speaker 2:Oh, you'll give me that one, you know, was it last Friday around here that it was just raining like crazy? Oh yeah, when I was growing up, when it rained like that. It didn't hardly ever rain like that in Albuquerque. When it did, I don't know where, the statement said it's raining cats and dogs.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Have you ever heard that I?
Speaker 1:have.
Speaker 2:You know it's raining cats and dogs. Now how those animals got in that sky like that.
Speaker 1:I'll never know. Oh, that's definitely got to get the trombone on. I don't even know I got one more. This is more like what I need to give you. On that one, I'm like wow.
Speaker 2:I got one more before we close it out. Okay, what did one DNA say to the other DNA? Yeah, what did one DNA say to the other DNA?
Speaker 1:Do not know.
Speaker 2:Do these genes make me look fat?
Speaker 1:Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, we've got to close on that one. I don't even know. I can't even reach for the buttons on that one. So hey, check us out, biblicalleadershipshowcom. Send us some dad jokes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, please send us some dad jokes. Tim's saying please send us some dad jokes, we need some dad jokes. Tim's saying please send us some dad jokes, we need some dad jokes.
Speaker 1:Those were. They were good.
Speaker 2:Depends on who you ask.
Speaker 1:Good-ish.
Speaker 2:Well, I told you I had some.
Speaker 1:I didn't say they were great.
Speaker 2:I said I had 67 dad jokes.
Speaker 1:Dad jokes are not always supposed to be good. No, that's why I call them dad jokes. You've got to have some groaners, man. You have to have groaners in there. You have to have the good ones and the ones that just make you roll the eyes. So that's what it is Definitely rolling my eyes on those. Check us out. Biblicalleadershipshowcom and you guys have a great week. Come back and where are we going next week?
Speaker 2:Judges.
Speaker 1:Judges, the Book of Judges. Yeah, the Book of Judges. It's a long book, but some great leadership principles in that. Well, looking forward to it.
Speaker 2:Well, check us out.
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