Biblical Leadership Show
The Biblical Leadership Show podcast explores timeless principles of leadership through a biblical lens, offering insightful discussions and practical wisdom for leaders seeking to integrate faith and leadership in their personal and professional lives. Join us as we delve into biblical narratives, lessons, and values to inspire and equip leaders to make a positive impact in their communities and organizations.
Biblical Leadership Show
Judges: Illuminating Leadership, Moral Dilemmas, and Empowerment Through Biblical Narratives
Discover the invaluable leadership lessons hidden within the pages of the Book of Judges, as we illuminate the often dark and complex history of the Israelites in the Promised Land. We kick off the episode with some light-hearted banter about winter triathlons and a selection of dad jokes to set a relaxed tone. From there, we unravel the story beginning with Joshua's death and the subsequent challenges faced by the Israelites, examining key moments of poor leadership and moral dilemmas.
Ever wondered how leaders can see and nurture the potential in their team members? We share compelling personal experiences with hiring and mentoring, showing how positive reinforcement can lead to transformative outcomes. Drawing from the stories of Gideon and Moses, we highlight how recognizing and cultivating potential, even in daunting circumstances, can lead to extraordinary achievements. This episode emphasizes the critical role of leaders in fostering growth and development within their teams.
Delve into the nuances of empowerment and personalized leadership, where we discuss the varying needs of individuals and the importance of tailored support. Through personal anecdotes, we underline the significance of building strong leaders through training, coaching, and encouragement. Additionally, we offer some humorous reflections on the moral and spiritual decline in the Book of Judges, lightening the mood with more dad jokes and inviting listeners to share their own. Join us as we discuss and look forward to exploring the Book of Ruth in our next episode.
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Speaker 2:How you doing. I'm doing really good. I'm doing really good, how you doing today.
Speaker 1:Doing good.
Speaker 2:It's always good to see your face Doing good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fantastic doing good. It's always good to see your face doing good yeah, fantastic, yeah we're.
Speaker 2:We're hanging in there and, uh, enjoying some weather and warm.
Speaker 1:But it's good, just uh, trying to get you out. When do we start? Do you have any like winter triathlons coming up?
Speaker 2:so where it's cold and icy waters and just I'm sure there are one for crazy people.
Speaker 1:You're not feeling that.
Speaker 2:I'm not really feeling swimming when the water is like 60 degrees or colder, I'll wear a wetsuit, but if it's 65 or above, I'm good. Wetsuit's fantastic.
Speaker 1:Traveling in a wetsuit is fantastic.
Speaker 2:Anything lower than that is just cold on your face. The know wetsuit's fantastic. Traveling in a wetsuit is fantastic. Anything lower than that is just cold on your face. The water's just cold on your face, it just is I swim around in the hot tub or something for me. That's my extent of it, 2,000 laps in the hot tub, 2,000 laps in the hot tub.
Speaker 1:I'm good, oh, I'm good, you're really good. Yeah, hey, all right guys, welcome. Hopefully you've been joining us, especially in this new series that we have going on. We've been going through each book of the Bible and talking a little bit about sort of the cliff note versions of what's in each book of the Bible, but also then turn it into some leadership lessons that we can discuss, and this one's an interesting one for us.
Speaker 2:We got Judges this week we have Judges. Yeah, we have the book of Judges, which there's some really good leadership lessons, especially lessons from bad leadership.
Speaker 1:Yeah, should we throw a dad joke? In before we go down the route of dad jokes. If you really never went through judges, it's dark. Can we say dark? It's a dark history.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a dark history, part of Israel's history. But I did talk with one of our listeners the other day. He just happened to call me up and said you know I really like the dad jokes, so maybe we just need to do more dad jokes.
Speaker 1:We got one person that likes the dad jokes. All right, all right. One out of three, that's really good.
Speaker 2:One of our three listeners. Oh, okay, so I've got. Let's just get after dad jokes here. So remember the years back in high school when you tried to. You know, back then, when we were in high school, people just did all kinds of sports. You know, nowadays they maybe do one sport because, like any sport is all year long. You know it could be cheerleading, it's all year long. Football is all year long. You know, if you're not playing football, you're in the weight room. So there's sports.
Speaker 2:So fewer and fewer people are doing like football and baseball, basketball all those sports that they used to do. Well, I wanted to run track when I was in like junior high school, but I never wanted to get hit by a train, so I just didn't do it.
Speaker 1:I can't reach for it fast enough. You were sucking me in. I was getting ready to tell all kinds of sports stories. I was like, oh, I love track Track's, one of my favorites. I played football.
Speaker 2:You did play football, I played all my sports.
Speaker 1:but every sport.
Speaker 2:We didn't have soccer back then, or futsal Soccer was just getting started when I was like in college, so, but you know, junior high, I think. But junior high, that was so long ago, my goodness, you know, I think I'm pretty old, I remember. I'm so old that I remember when King Kong was Prince Chimp.
Speaker 1:Oh, I get the yellow button twice. Let's go for three times here One more.
Speaker 2:One more. Okay, here we go. Why do you never see elephants hiding in trees? Why do you never see elephants hiding in trees? I do not know that one, because they're that good at it.
Speaker 1:I'll ramp you up on that one.
Speaker 2:I like that one a little bit better. You like that one yeah.
Speaker 1:I thought I could figure that one out as you're saying it, but I couldn't so that's great.
Speaker 2:Okay, here's one for our kids, the kids out there listening. What is the toughest part of building with blocks? What's the toughest part of building with blocks?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Learning to Lego.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:I'll give you that one.
Speaker 1:It's not bad. Not bad, no, it doesn't even deserve that.
Speaker 2:We need to have a button that goes like a grown button. I'll get a grown button going. You're going to download a grown button.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll get a grown button going. Let's see, I don't think I have any grown buttons.
Speaker 2:I don't think you do either, anyway.
Speaker 1:So let's talk about it. Let's talk about this thing of Judges, the book of Judges, the book of Judges.
Speaker 2:So Judges comes after the book of Joshua and it really starts out with the death of Joshua. Now Joshua was the leader after Moses. Moses helped bring the people out of Egypt after 400 years of slavery. Moses Moses helped bring the people out of Egypt after 400 years of slavery. So you have Moses, who was a great leader, and then his apprentice was Joshua, and so we covered that last week. And after Joshua died, the people are in the land. The question is what happens now? And the goal for the people when they came into the Promised Land was to rid the land of all of the Canaanites and people who lived there that did not worship the true God, and so how do you get rid of those people? So in the book of Judges it is very dark. There's a lot of battles going on and those kind of things, and the story is really, in the first 16 chapters, really a story of six different judges. People might not be familiar with the book, but they might be familiar with Gideon who's in there.
Speaker 1:Well, let's first let me think Judges. You know we always think judges is like courtroom judges. This was not the case in this.
Speaker 2:That is correct. It's not a courtroom judge, it's more like a military leader. Right, okay, and so because there still had to be battles fought, there still had to be land taken, settlements made, and so the people had to have some type of leader to guide them in the battles and to give some direction. And so God raised up some leaders to do that.
Speaker 1:So let me recap here, because I love the way this turns out. So we had Joshua. They were conquering people because they didn't believe in their beliefs, I guess, or their wicked ways, I guess would be one of those things. And then at this point it has a long time went through that Joshua has since.
Speaker 2:Joshua. At the very beginning of the book, joshua passes away, and so he's no longer on the scene, he's died. And so the question is who now is the leader? Well, the different tribes have their own property. Some of them stayed on the east side of the Jordan, some of them are on the west side of the Jordan, but they're still Canaanites and foreign people in the land, and so the goal was to get rid of all of those people so that just the Jewish people lived in the Promised Land.
Speaker 2:And through the book of Judges, we see that that didn't happen. A lot of it was because the judges themselves did not really offer great leadership, and so that's a lesson right there. Now we can get into the story of Gideon, which I think is a great story, but some of the other things that we see in the story of Judges is that the judges did not necessarily lead the people in the way to become a holy people of God. And so by the end of the book of Judges, we read, in my opinion, probably the most tragic sentence in the entire Bible, and we read these words, the very last sentence in the book of Judges. We read this in those days, israel had no king and everyone did what was right in their own eyes.
Speaker 2:Now, we can just think about that process, that for just a minute.
Speaker 2:And basically what it's saying is there was no leader, there was no one giving vision, no one giving direction, no one providing true leadership for the people, and so because of that, then everybody kind of just had their own moral code, their own direction.
Speaker 2:They did whatever they wanted to do. There was no one drawing boundaries, no one saying hey, we got to focus on this, and because of that it was just a downward spiral for the people of Israel. And what we see by the end of the book of Judges is that the people called the Canaanites, who were in the land, who God wanted them to get rid of, the Israelites, basically, were very similar to the Canaanites. There was some of the practices, the morality was very similar, and so it's just a tragic story of just within a few generations, from Moses and Joshua all the way to the end of Judges, where there's just moral decay and a downward spiral, and I think that has a great deal to do with the poor leadership that was there at that time in their country. So we could go on and on, but let's focus on a particular person of Gideon.
Speaker 2:So some people might be familiar with Gideon, some people might not. You might be familiar with putting out a fleece. That is from the story of Gideon in Judges 6 through 8. And if you have never read that part of the Bible, I just encourage you to pick up the book of Judges and read Judges chapter 6, 7, and 8, about the story of Gideon, and what we see at the very beginning is that there were some people that were conquering and destroying the crops and different things like that, and Gideon was hiding and he was threshing weed in the wine press and the angel of God comes to him and God sees something in Gideon that Gideon did not see in himself Called him a mighty warrior.
Speaker 2:right he called him a mighty warrior?
Speaker 1:yes, and he was like what it's like? Who are you talking to? You know, is there someone else in the white press? I mean, who are you talking to?
Speaker 2:And to me what a great I mean that was a great leadership principle that we heard from God, and that is that the leader sees in their people potential that the people don't see in themselves. And so let's just talk about that for just a minute that when you are in charge of an organization, maybe it's just one or two people, maybe it's just your family, maybe it's a softball team, maybe it's a scout troop, it could be a volunteer organization. The question is how do you view other people? Do you see in them the way they are? Do you see their faults or do you see their potential? And my opinion is you always see what you're looking for. Whatever you're looking for, you'll always see it. So if you're looking for faults, you'll always see their faults. If you're looking for potential, you'll always see potential.
Speaker 2:Now, so the question is it really comes back to the leader what do you see when you look at your people? And if you see potential in them, then what are you going to do to kindle that potential? What are you going to do to do to kindle that potential? What are you going to do to fine-tune that potential? What are you going to do to grow that potential? Do they need continuing education? Do they need hands-on mentorship? Do they need a class education? Do they just need more hours? Do they need encouragement? What does that person need to become the best person that they possibly can be? I?
Speaker 1:thought about hire for attitude, train for everything else.
Speaker 2:Hire for attitude and train for everything else yeah we were talking about this very topic before the show started and I've made some bad decisions in hiring people over the years. If I look back on it, the best decisions I made was to hire attitude and passion and then train them to do what I wanted them to do. Sometimes I've hired people good people and they've been fantastic. Other times, I've hired people with experience and they believe they already know everything and it's very hard to train them. And so the question is when you are leading, you go out to your softball team and there might be a person that's playing second base or right field or whatever it is, and you see that they want to be out there, but they just might not have the skill that you're wanting them to do. So what do you do? Do you write them off, or do you take the time, as the leader of the team, to actually show them how to be better, and just the fact that you believe in them?
Speaker 2:and just the fact that you believe in them. Oh my goodness, it can change their attitude about themselves. That can change their whole character, their nature, their outlook on life. I mean, it's amazing.
Speaker 1:Especially when it comes to kids, I think there's some kids right. How much you can change a direction of a kid just by having kind words or having them look at it a different way. You know I'm constantly if something comes out. I tell my kids all the time we don't have to be negative. There's no reason to ever be negative. You can be positive. If you look at positive, you'll only see positive, and it's one of those things that you can always find faults. Like you said, it's if you look at everything with you know rose-colored glasses that are positive.
Speaker 1:I know it sounds like that old cliche, but I mean that's the way it is. Your brain has select attention right. So if you look at positives, it's going to see positives. And you train your brain to see that positives, I guarantee life's going to be a little cheerier for you. Yes, and it doesn't mean you have to be Pollyannish.
Speaker 2:We're not saying that. No, we're saying how do you view life and how do you view other people? And if you look at other people and you're always trying to find a fault with them, then you're always going to find it. If you're always going to be looking for a good quality, then you'll always find it. And so the question is what do you do once you find what you're looking for? So if you're finding a fault, you know what's going to happen. You're going to criticize them, You're always going to look down upon them. You might not give them a whole lot of time, but if you're looking for good qualities, then you find those, and then you'll say oh, how can I help that person be better?
Speaker 2:So we go back to the story of Gideon, and that's exactly what God was doing with Gideon. He said hey, you are a mighty warrior. I see something in you that you don't even see in yourself, and I am for you. I want to guide you, I want to bless you, because I want you to lead the people. It reminds me of the story of Moses when he had the encounter with the burning bush, and Moses saying hey, you have the wrong guy.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do this. I'll just tend sheep. I'll just keep doing this and God was saying no, I want you to be the person that leads my people. And that's exactly in a similar way what God was telling Gideon that hey, I see something in you that I really want to use to lead my people. And what a great lesson that is for leaders that are listening to us today.
Speaker 1:So what did Gideon end up going? What was sort of his mission in through all this?
Speaker 2:Well, his mission was to lead the people who were, you know, go out against the people that were causing havoc with the Israelites. And so he actually did that with just 300 people, 300 soldiers. And so we see that he started out with a lot of people, okay, and he focused on. He had some people that were there, were a lot of people that wanted to help, and God said, no, you know, if you do it with this many people, then you're going to think that you were the one that caused the victory. So he said, no, we're going to let some people go. And then he said, okay, we'll let these people go. And then he said, no, you still have too many people, we need to let some more people go. And so, finally, 300 people there was 300 people, and he defeated the other army with just torches and pots. So it was just an incredible story about trusting in God to lead him to defeat the enemy, and it's just an incredible story. I encourage people to go read it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and I'm trying to figure out what the thought is there, I understand the, but I'd rather have like 32,000 soldiers than 300.
Speaker 1:I mean, was there a lesson that he was trying to be taught there about the being the chosen ones and you can accomplish with small groups? Because I think we could tie this into a leadership lesson there, right, and I'm just trying to figure out the story behind it, you know, because, boy, if I have 32,000 people that are following me, then I'm all about let's go right. Why are you making me downsize?
Speaker 2:here. So think about this. In the history that's happened up to this point in the nation, they became a people that relied less and less upon God.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And relied more and more upon themselves, upon God, and relied more and more upon themselves. So God was trying to teach Gideon a lesson that I think all of us can learn is that how much do we rely upon God? And so, with 32,000, if he had defeated, he'd say hey, of course we did it, we had 32,000. So he pared that down. He pared it down to 300. Now you have 300 going against thousands of people. He did it so unconventional I mean, just think about the Battle of Jericho, it was so unconventional just walking around the city, well, he had trumpets and torches and jars, and the noise of the trumpets and the lamps just caused all kinds of confusion in the Midianite camp and they turned on each other in fear.
Speaker 2:And so, because of that, the battle really was won by God, because Gideon led the people according to what God said. And so we can, I think, in a leadership lesson, teach or learn from the fact that just a few people with amazing encouragement, direction and resources, just a few people, can do amazing things. Sometimes we think we need a big team, sometimes we think we need a team of 50 or whatever, and really, if we had a team of six that were really focused and passionate and follow direction and follow a good leader.
Speaker 1:It's amazing what six people can do, yeah because I mean if you have unfocused people and everybody's trying to go this way and that way and this way, and a lot of times you don't get anything accomplished. But if you have some people that all have the same vision right, the same beliefs, the same core values, and if you're moving forward, then a lot can be accomplished, a lot can be moved. You look at all these different companies you know over the years the Microsofts, the Apples you know, started in the garage.
Speaker 1:It was formed by a handful of people that had the same vision right. They didn't go out and recruit and recruit and recruit. It was get the core value set and then start moving forward.
Speaker 2:Correct, and so one of the lessons that I know this sounds real simple, but it's so true One of the main lessons we can learn from the book of Judges as far as leadership is that leaders must lead. There cannot be inconsistent leadership. Inconsistent leadership leads to confusion and dysfunction, but consistent leadership leads leads to division and focus. And it also, you know, from Gideon. Gideon empowered his 300 men to go against such incredible odds, and so a good leader leads, keeps people focused. They empower other people, they see the potential in other people, they kindle passion. But the other thing that we can learn about Gideon is he didn't sit on the sidelines, he was right there with them.
Speaker 2:And so a good leader leads by an example. He or she is not just sitting on the sideline telling other people what to do, they're out there actually doing it and the people see that and they follow. And so going back to the very last sentence again in the book of Judges, where everybody did what was right in their own eyes, because there was no king, there was no leader, there was no one to give them focus, no one to give them direction or encouragement or empowerment, and because of that people just kind of did whatever they want, morally, spiritually, whatever. They just did whatever. And the last thing any leader wants is that to happen in their company.
Speaker 2:So we can learn a great lesson from the book of Judges.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and one of the things I thought about when you're talking about it is you know, gideon was constantly asking for reassurance. I guess you know, and I guess that's that goes with confidence a lot of times. You know it's there's both sides stories. If you're going through asking confidence, if you're doing a good job, it's sort of like asking your people is there anything I can do better and better, better? But at some point you have to believe in yourself, you know, and you can't constantly going back and asking you know, if, if, if, if God was sitting there saying over and over this is you, this is you, this is you at some point you're going to believe it to a point. But he was constantly going back and asking are you sure? Are you sure? And there's a confidence that you have to there, and there's leaders that start out that they don't think they're good leaders. But they've, they've, they've went down this path and and I think that's one of the first steps is becoming a good leader is to have that that.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, there there's some people that just go zero to a hundred, but then there's some people that take the windy roads right, that are constantly needing that reassurance. I have a lot of good friends that they're constantly needing that, that pat on the back or that reassurance from people and and you know, not all of us can understand it right, because I'm a sort of a self motivator, self doer, I don't, I don't go out and check with you know all the, you know the people and get the pat on the back because I just let's go this direction and it's a decision amongst our group, our working group, our people in my company, but it's nothing that I have to have a pat on the back, that we're going the right direction because we've made a decision, we're moving forward and we don't look back. You know.
Speaker 2:Yes, and some people, though, don't have that life experience that you've had. You don't know what their family life was like when they were growing up. They could have been really looked down upon, criticized, whatever bullied when they were in school. They don't have the confidence, and they could have had some failures in their last job. They could have just gone through a bad breakup in a relationship. So when they come into you, you just don't know what's going on behind the scenes or inside. So what you just said, I think, is so important that we need to just pour into our people so that they have confidence in themselves, and a lot of times, it takes a while to get that. And finally, at the end of the story, gideon had confidence in himself, but it took a while to get there, and we don't know from each one employee to the next. Is that how long each person is going to take?
Speaker 2:I think one of the biggest mistakes leaders make is to treat all employees the same, instead of saying, okay, this person had this, I need to do this, this person, I need to do this, this person. I need to focus on this and treat each person differently, because each person has different needs, but they all, I think, need encouragement, and I'm not a great note writer, but just writing a note of thanks or I appreciate you a lot. You did such a great job. I became a note writer but someone had to hold me accountable for that, and once I did that consistently, it paid great benefits.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:You know. So I'd say if, how do you are going to encourage your people? Pour life into people? Speak encouragement into people. That's what a good leader does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and to finish my thought on that, because as you were talking I was like I didn't mean to say is like, be humble for who you are. I know that I have increased as a strong leader over the years and years, but I'm constantly bringing my people up to where I feel that I'm at right Because I want them to be strong leaders. I have to. You know we're doing podcasts. I'm running around the country speaking. I have multiple companies that I run, so I have to have them be the leaders and they have to be up to my level to make decisions, because I don't want them to rely on me every time we turn around and you know I'll be on a conference for two days and taking phone calls after hours.
Speaker 1:So there's a buildup process, there's figuring out where it is and I think you said it perfectly Not everybody's at the same point.
Speaker 1:So sometimes you might have one or two are in the empowerment stage, where you turn the keys over to the shop and let them run it because they've hit that level, and then you've got people that are in the training and development stage, and then you have people that are in the coaching stage, where they're right down there at the end. So I mean there's different levels that you have to look at and you have to build them up to make everybody a strong leader. But if you can do this and be humble of where you come and the path you've done, and don't look down on people, because I know a lot of leaders, they look at some of the other leaders in an organization like they're weak, and I'm like are they weak because they're weak or they're weak because you haven't helped them become strong? And I said there's a lot of there that you can do to bring them up, to pat them on the back, to give them the tools needed to be able to be a stronger leader.
Speaker 2:Correct, and some people will not ever be like the leader.
Speaker 1:Some people don't want to be the leader. They don't want to be the leader and they get put on the leadership position quite a bit.
Speaker 2:But that still means you can pour yourself into them and help them become a better person better employee, better manager, better something, a better manager, better something. How are you going to help? Each person get better at doing what they do, or just helping them be a better person, and I think that's a sign of a good leader.
Speaker 1:I like it. Is there any other good characters in the book of Judges?
Speaker 2:Oh, there's some really good interesting characters. We don't have time to talk about Samson, but he's in there. Micah, yes, there's six judges that they talk about.
Speaker 1:Deborah's in there, deborah yeah.
Speaker 2:Brock, yeah, so between chapter one to 16, there's six main characters as far as the judges are concerned. There's six main characters as far as the judges are concerned. But overall, from the beginning of Judges to the end of the book, we just see a decline in moral and spiritual I would just say integrity of the whole nation, which is just a tragic story, tragic book. But it does lay a groundwork for the next book which we're going to talk about next week and that's the book of Ruth. And it really starts giving us an idea that God is still working. Even the people have abandoned him. God is still working in their lives to bring about a godly people. That's God's desire with all of us is that we would be holy like he's holy, and to worship Him and to honor Him with our lives, in everything we think, say and do. And so even in the midst of the end of the book of Judges, which is tragic, we see that God is still at work to bring about his desire for a holy people.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and you know that's ultimately what we're trying to do is through all this oppression and that is deliver people on the other side right. So they're trying to get them to the finish line, and that's easier said than done sometimes.
Speaker 2:It is. So you know, what's easier said than done is dad jokes.
Speaker 1:Dad jokes right.
Speaker 2:So I've got. You know, I've heard that there's some reoccurrence of some strain of COVID. You know I don't know about. I'm getting my button ready.
Speaker 1:You're getting your button ready. Can you hit the blue and the yellow at the same time? I can.
Speaker 2:Did you hear about the guy? This guy was caught stealing 50.
Speaker 1:I'm getting a little music to soften it.
Speaker 2:Go ahead this guy was caught stealing 50 cartons of hand sanitizer 50 cartons.
Speaker 1:I wish I had 50 cartons of hand sanitizer.
Speaker 2:But you know what? They couldn't prosecute him because his hands were clean.
Speaker 1:Oh yes.
Speaker 2:Well, you wanted a dad joke.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, Well, you wanted a dad joke. Yeah, yeah, that wasn't too bad. I'll give you that it was a fun time getting there.
Speaker 2:You know, I've asked about a dozen people what IDK stands for and everyone I ask says I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know People just don't get it, do they right?
Speaker 2:They just don't know.
Speaker 1:They don't get it.
Speaker 2:Oh, did you hear about the kid? You know school started. You know it's about a month long now. Did you hear about the kid that started a business tying shoelaces on the playground? You know kids, young kids their shoelaces come untied so he's charging a nickel for every shoelace he ties. You know.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:It's called a not-for-profit.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you know.
Speaker 2:Throw us a good one.
Speaker 1:I just had one that I heard the other day is you know that you should never, you know, going into New Year's, you shouldn't kiss anybody on New Year's Day.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:Because it's only the first date.
Speaker 2:No, that's the wrong button. There you go. That's the wrong button I can't reach. For those of you who are not able to see the studio, I got all the controls over here in front of me. I can't even reach the buttons.
Speaker 1:I have all the boards in front of me. All right, what's one more joke and we can see what we can do.
Speaker 2:Okay, why did the dad stare at the piece of fruit? Why did the dad stare at the piece of fruit?
Speaker 1:I was trying to give him some sugar.
Speaker 2:No, because he was watching Apple TV. All right, I don't even know what button that should be.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:We need the grown button.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll get a grown button put on here. So I'll put a grown button on. So I'll work on that and see what I can do.
Speaker 2:Okay. So, like, my father-in-law made some amazing spaghetti sauce I mean just amazing spaghetti sauce so he taught me how to make spaghetti sauce. He was a great guy and we got along really, really well. Miss him dearly. He passed away a couple years ago. But one of the things that we did was make all the spaghetti and then we would put it in freezer bags so we could always have it. But it's making me think about spaghetti and that sounds really good. But what do people from Boston call a fake noodle?
Speaker 1:I know this one. You know this one, yeah, I know this one, you know this one, I know this one, but go ahead, an impasta, impasta impasta yes, I was like I know that one, you know this one alright. I'll just scratch it off well, thank you for joining us and thank you for all these, these dad jokes thank you for staying with us till the end of the show exactly right, everybody's like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Nobody's here. We're down to a point. Zero listeners, right, so it's all right, we're having fun. Hey, uh, thank you for uh, you know, hanging out with us today. Um, check us out Biblical leadership showcom. Uh, send them a. Send us texts, send us an email, send us some good dad jokes. We've actually received a few dad jokes from some of our listeners and, yeah, exactly as soon as I said that we just got one in, actually, yeah, so hold on just a second Hold on.
Speaker 1:We got to give that kudo for that. Yes, 100%, I am. But check us out biblicalleadershipshowcom, and you know, next week we're going to be talking about Ruth, I think right Story of Ruth.
Speaker 2:We are Book of Ruth. We're talking about Ruth. Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1:So yes, we had a listener. Send us a dad joke. Yes, here it is Right off the line Right is Right off the line, right off, hot off the presses.
Speaker 2:Did you hear about the optometrist that set all his clocks to read in military time?
Speaker 1:I did not.
Speaker 2:It lets him see 20-20. Oh, here's from a listener in California.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2:Did you hear about the accident on the military base there in California, did not? A tank ran over a box of popcorn and killed two colonels.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't mind that one, I'm just. You know, I can think of that's from our listener.
Speaker 2:You gotta give, you gotta give.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like I was trying to figure out a good one to give there.
Speaker 2:so let's end with that. Exactly right, hey.
Speaker 1:thank you for joining us again, biblicalleadadershipshowcom. You know, reach out to us, say hi, come back, hang out with us. I'm enjoying this new series. Hopefully you guys are. I'm getting a lot out of it, I think. I think it's a great series. It's going to be a year long series, so hang in with us, you know send us some good dad jokes, if you don't like ours.
Speaker 2:Please, you know, send us some good dad jokes if you don't like ours, please that's what we got Other than that. Take us away, dr Posey, and we'll talk to you next week Make it a great day.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
