Biblical Leadership Show
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Biblical Leadership Show
Laughter and Leadership: Character Insights from Samuel, Saul, and David
What if we told you that true leadership is rooted in character, not just charisma? In this episode of the Biblical Leadership Show, we kick things off with some hearty laughs courtesy of Dr. Dean Posey. Then, alongside Tim Lansford, we dive into the leadership lessons nestled in the books of 1 and 2 Samuel. We encourage our listeners to catch up on our 52-week biblical journey, starting from Genesis.
We explore pivotal leadership qualities through the lives of Samuel, Saul, and David. Using Saul's tragic fall from grace as a cautionary tale, we emphasize the perils of letting pride overshadow humility. In stark contrast, David's flawed yet repentant nature offers a powerful lesson on accountability in leadership. By examining these biblical figures, we underline the importance of maintaining strong moral foundations, showcasing that authentic leadership is defined by character, not just charisma.
Finally, we discuss the dynamics of teamwork and the importance of embracing our strengths while collaborating with those who complement our weaknesses. Laughter remains a central theme as we share more dad jokes, from neck decorating contests to skillet therapy. We wrap up by inviting listeners to contribute their favorite dad jokes and teasing our next episode, where we'll unravel the challenging topic of kings just in time for Halloween. Join us for a unique blend of biblical wisdom, humor, and practical leadership insights.
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Speaker 2:Hey, welcome welcome, welcome.
Speaker 1:Welcome to another exciting episode of the Biblical Leadership Show. My name is Tim Lansford, and with me is Dr P.
Speaker 2:Yes, how are you doing?
Speaker 1:Tim Dr Dean Posey. Yes, how are we?
Speaker 2:doing, I'm doing good, I'm doing really good. A little spectacular, yes.
Speaker 1:Glad to have you hanging out with us today, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fantastic to be here in the studio.
Speaker 1:It's really really good you know, another week went by and we're doing our thing, so yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2:So today we're going to talk about Samuel, the leadership principles in the book of Samuel. Before we do that, though, we got to get some dad jokes in right away, okay.
Speaker 1:Just going to go ahead and give ahead of time.
Speaker 2:So years ago I had a boss, you know, and I was young in the work. And so he said, okay, you need to dress. Remember the old book Dress for Success? Yes, Okay, so I read that. I followed that along. Great book. The dress codes now are very different than they were back, you know, in the 80s when I started. But the boss said you need to dress for the job you want, not for the job you have. So I went in as Batman.
Speaker 1:Nice, Did you get the job yeah?
Speaker 2:it was a night job.
Speaker 1:Did it pay well.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no, Okay, here's another one. Here's another one. I like it there, you do, okay. What do you call a sheep who can sing and dance?
Speaker 1:What do you call a sheep that can sing and dance, I'm thinking, but I got nothing. Lady Baba, all right, I'll give you a half and half on that one. So I just was expecting something totally different than that.
Speaker 2:One threw me off. What do you call a French man who wears sandals?
Speaker 1:Oh, French man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, french man that wears sandals. I think we have some people listen to us out of the Paris area. So you know, be careful. Okay, just checking so I don't want to turn off our A Frenchman that wears sandals. His name is Felipe Filape.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:I give you that one. I give you that one. Oh, wow, I might even throw an air horn in that one. Oh, okay, one more before we get to the. I sort of like that one. Yeah, you like that one. Flippy floppy, Flippy floppy. Okay, One more before it's your turn.
Speaker 1:All right? No, no, I don't have any. Well, I'll save mine until later.
Speaker 2:So, all of us have a honey-do list at the house. Things to do, whatever it may be fix the fence, mow the grass, whatever. So I hired a handyman and gave him a list of things to do. You know, there was like eight things on the list, but he only did jobs one, three and five.
Speaker 1:Turns out he only does odd jobs.
Speaker 2:I got that one.
Speaker 1:See, you got in my industry.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:I bet you, I know this one. Yeah, I bet you did in my industry.
Speaker 2:I bet you, I know this one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I bet you did All right. So if you're just joining us, you know sorry, you know we actually had some good dad jokes today.
Speaker 1:Just, you should listen to our past episodes where we had less than good ones. So, hey, now we're doing a series of every book of the Bible, 52 week series, and this week is Samuel. So we'd love for you to listen to the show, but, if nothing else, go back to Genesis and catch up with us, right Cause I mean you know here. Here's the thing that I love this series and I think it's great. I'm learning stuff through this series that we were talking about and going through. Like I didn't spend, you know, 120 years in the church like you, and that's just in your youth. But it's one of those things that I really enjoyed this series and hopefully you guys are enjoying it out there. I know we've got a big listener group out there listening to this, so we're excited to be here with you again today.
Speaker 2:Yes, and like I have said many times before, is that one of the number one questions I've had in my ministry was how does the Bible apply to my life today? And we are trying to address that. I think we do a good job addressing that every week in this series on leadership principles from every book in the Bible. Now, in the book of Samuel, you have Samuel, you have Saul, you have David. So it's hard to talk about each person in the time commitment that we have, because we only have 30, 35 minutes every week. So you could talk about each person and the strengths and weaknesses of each person. That's going to be hard to do in 30 minutes.
Speaker 1:So we have to fix it. This was a very long one. They actually split it into two different books. Yeah, it used to be one book years ago but they split into two.
Speaker 2:So you have 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, and it starts out with the birth of Samuel with Hannah, his mother, and it starts out with the birth of Samuel with Hannah, his mother, and then she commits him to God and he raises up and he becomes an amazing prophet and just his character. So I really think that's one of the main things we're going to focus on is character and leadership and why that is so important, and you teach leadership principles around the country on a regular basis and so why don't you just jump in and talk about character and why that is so important?
Speaker 2:I know we had a good discussion before we went on the air, so you know just character in whatever you're leading, whatever group you might be leading organization, nonprofit, a softball team, a scout troop whatever group you might be leading organization, nonprofit, a softball team, a scout troop, whatever character is so important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think character is one of those things that I think the biggest thing that I get with.
Speaker 1:When you're talking about leaderships and companies, when you're talking about character and, like I say, I've worked for some great leaders that had great character and then I've had some that you know I've I I didn't work there very long because just didn't fit, and I think we've had that conversation on. Both of us have been been through there but I think that one of the biggest things you get is trust. People want to work for people. They trust the people, they they believe you know, and you know if somebody's saying, oh, do this, do this, this is what we stand for, and then as soon as the doors close, they go do this, this and this, and it's absolutely the opposite direction, well, you're sending out mixed signals, you know, and you're never going to be able to trust that person and I think that's one of those things that ties back into you know, the character is the biggest one for me is to be able to trust and you know on who you are and your morals and your beliefs and if you're leading us in that right direction.
Speaker 2:Correct, and so I just talk about how that applies to this particular book, because in this book of Samuel 1 and 2 Samuel, we see, I guess, two things that are important.
Speaker 2:One is character, one is charisma, and so many times we look at a leader with the charisma and we don't necessarily focus on the character, and this book talks about the importance of both. But when it comes to which one is the most important for long-term leadership and integrity, it has to be character. Every time Charisma isn't good. You know you need to encourage your people. You need to. You know, carry the marching banner forward and move the troops forward, or whatever, your employees or whatever. But if you have character flaws that are so obvious, or you don't walk your talk or you are not a role model for your people, however big or small that organization is, it's going to catch up with you. And that's what we actually see with Saul and David Great charisma and David great charisma. But their character flaws really got them at the end. And that happens so frequently in organizations, it happens in business, it happens in churches, it happens in all kinds of things, happens in families, unfortunately. So character is really a key factor in leadership.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think in this lesson, I think both of them had their miscomings, you know as far as where they went down, but Saul really had a. They're a little bit different, right. You know, Saul had this raising up as a leader, as a king, and everything.
Speaker 1:And then he had, you know, big head, I guess right, and things got to him. He started to live a different life compared to what he got his throne, his power on. Is that a good estimation, a good summary of where it was and how it sort of turned around? So there's a turning point in through that whole story.
Speaker 2:Yes, he started out a very humble person, a very humble man. He was a big person, I mean as far as size, physical size. He was a big person, but over time his pride got to him and it really was the beginning of his downfall. He was jealous of David. He tried to hunt and kill David. He was not successful, but he was so prideful, thinking that he had done all of this by himself. And that really was his weakness. You know, the crack in his armor was his pride and eventually that led to his downfall and his death. And then you have the rise of David, and so that was his character flaw. That really was the downfall for Saul.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know you said the thing he was hunting David. I mean, david was on his side, he was helping, he was a general, he was out, going out and fighting and conquering and doing all this stuff for him and he just felt threatened. You know, so many times people feel threatened and we talked a little bit about pre-show. You know, as leaders, sometimes they have somebody that rises up and then they feel threatened. And I've had this and through personal coaching and all this, I'm like, hey, surround yourself, I surround myself with people better than me. I'm totally okay with that.
Speaker 1:But there's a certain point that a lot of people can't do that. You know they haven't elevated that point and spend enough time. I guess if I was younger, that would have really been a threatening thing to me, but at this age I'm like, hey, I want smarter people, I want you guys to figure it out, right, you don't, I don't, you don't need me Go, go do it, because that's empowerment that helps me run multiple companies and and be able to sit here and podcast with you, you know, and all that while people are out there doing things. So I think there's a thing where you know that you have to look at that, even though you have character, you know. Are you feeling threatened by strong personalities, strong leaders that are around you? Or are you helping them rise up or are you trying to? You know, throw daggers at them, hunt them down?
Speaker 2:you know, Correct. So the question would be do you want your, the people that work with you, for you or under you, however your structure is do you want them to be as successful as possible? Well, at the beginning, when David killed Goliath, Saul was all over that. It was fantastic. But then, as David's popularity began to increase, then Saul's pride and jealousy began to increase as well, and so, instead of encouraging David and embracing that victory and seeing him as a mighty warrior and all that kind of stuff, he went out to try to kill him and he was jealous.
Speaker 2:And then you get Saul's son Jonathan, and David and Jonathan were like best friends, and so then it started being a problem with Saul and his son Jonathan, and so it was just a big jealousy thing and it was all because of the flaw of pride there. And so the question would be for leaders is do you want your people to really be as good as they can be in whatever? Are you jealous or envious, or are you uncomfortable or insecure if one of your people that works with you or for you is better at something than you? I've had people that were far better at computers. It's like no, I need someone that does the computer stuff.
Speaker 2:I mean, you do all our stuff around here You're the computer guru, right, I can't even hit the buttons, but it's like. Well, he had people, I had to hire people I took it away from him.
Speaker 1:I don't want him anywhere close to all the buttons over here on those sound boards I can't even reach it.
Speaker 2:Got a big table but I had to have people that were really good at what they did, whether that was audio video, whether it's computer, whether it was marketing, whatever it was. You know, I had my job. My main job was supervising the staff and preaching. That was my thing. But I had to have people that were just really good at other things and so. But I had to have people that were just really good at other things and far better than me. And so the question is are leaders comfortable when someone on your team is far better than you at a particular task? And that was not true with Saul, and that led to his downfall. So I think that is one of the things, and it's really we go back to character versus charisma. As a leader, which one are you really relying upon? Character is going to last a lot longer than charisma. I think charisma is important, but character wins the day every time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you just got to think of it. As you know, do you have that growth mindset? You know I'm always trying to expand my employees, you know, to grow, to build on through lessons. You know I've let them fail, knowing that they were going to fail, as long as it wasn't going to cost me too much money. I used it as a learning lesson where I let them fail and then they go oh, did you know that was not going to work out.
Speaker 2:I'm like yeah, I knew about a week ago.
Speaker 1:They're like why didn't you tell me? I'm like I was hoping you'd figure it out, but you're probably not going to do that ever again, right, and he goes. No, no no, no.
Speaker 1:But I mean, that's one of the things and that's that's that growth mindset. If I fix all the problems, then they're always going to be oh, give me a glass of juice, give me a glass, you know, and if you say, all right, well, there's a refrigerator, then you go do it, then it's a growth mindset. It's empowering your people to make the decisions and move forward. And I think that if you focus on building those leadership qualities in each of your employees, it's ultimately it's going to make you a better leader and a lot of people they can't grasp that thought. You know, in the culture of corporate, you know, if you can, you can, you can empower, you can delegate and get good at delegating. You know, just because you're not, you're not giving all your power away, you're just increasing your team and man, that's going to make you look a lot better.
Speaker 2:And that's exactly what we see in David. Because he had his mighty men, he empowered them. They were incredible fighters we won't get into that part of the story but he empowered his people, he encouraged them, he was right with them. He was right with them in battle until he made his bad mistake with Bathsheba. You know, it says when the kings were out in the spring of the year, when the kings were out at war and he was in Jerusalem. So he should have been out with his people, and when he was not doing that is when he made his mistake.
Speaker 2:But his pride got to the point where he was thinking you know, rules don't apply to me, there's no boundaries, I can do whatever I want. And that was really the beginning of his downfall. So it's the same basic issue as with Saul. And that was pride, and he just felt that he could do anything he wanted. Sometimes we get the big head as leaders that rules don't apply to us, we can do anything we want. And that is the beginning of the downfall Maybe not immediately, but over time, as we see with David when he began to cross that line of morality and that showed the weaknesses in his character. That was the beginning, and then it was just all kinds of problems with his family fighting and it just ended up being just a real problem with the kingdom in the future. Right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, there you go.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker 1:Anything? Yeah, all right. Well, that's good, I got nothing more.
Speaker 2:You got nothing more.
Speaker 1:No, here's the thing about that. And know, and if you look at this, this story, I think there's a lot of stuff that you can, that you can get out of it. And the one thing I liked about David and we talked a little bit about it his he, he did own up. You know he did own up and I think that's that goes a long ways in leadership. You know he finished out his job. He was broken, he was, you know, different and all that stuff. But but I mean, you know there's a lot of things, cause I know leaders there's been a lot of leaders in the world in high profile cases, little ones that that ended up owning it and it actually, um, you know it's, it's not a good thing but at the same time, it could have been a lot worse, right, Correct.
Speaker 2:And so that was one of the big differences between Saul and David was that Saul never owned up to his mistakes. David did own up to his mistakes and he repented, but he still had to suffer the consequences of that. And so we've said this on the show more than once. You know, we can do whatever we want. We can't just always choose the consequences. And so that was true in David's life. Perfect example, with David and Bathsheba. And he chose to do what he wanted to do. He slept with another man's wife and then he had that man killed in battle, and so that was huge, just huge sin in the eyes of God. He owned up to it, but he couldn't erase the consequences that had started. So it was like the domino effect he started that one domino and he couldn't stop it. And so what happened at the end was, you know, his own son tried to take over the kingdom. His son was killed. There was just all kinds of tragedy that happened because of that character flaw of David and wanting to do whatever he wanted regardless, because he thought he was the king. And so that goes back to that character issue that is so important in whatever you know we, whatever we lead, you know.
Speaker 2:So let's just talk about character. How is that? How is our character displayed? Well, I think it's in our actions. Do our actions match our words, our language? I think is important about the words that we use and the words we don't use reveal our character. How we treat other people. Do we treat them, you know? Do we look down upon them? Do we talk to other people with respect and dignity? When we greet someone, do we just look in their eyes and shake their hand and greet them with respect, or do we? You know how do we treat other people? And so people can see that. And if you're a leader in an organization, you should be aware that your people are watching you all the time and what we? It's so true that we always find what we're looking for. So if your people are looking for flaws in you, they will always find it.
Speaker 2:But, if they're looking for something good, they will always find it, and the same thing is true as a leader. When we're looking for something good in our people, we will always find it. There might be some negative things there and we can encourage them to get better or something, and we want them to be the best they can be in their field, but it really is. How we treat other people is a big indication of the character that we have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. So what you know, a thing I found interesting about Samuel 1 and Samuel 2 is the book doesn't talk that much about Samuel, and it does, but it doesn't in a way right, and is there, you know what roles you know? Let's expand on it for the people. I thought that was very interesting because it really follows the two lives and he was. Well, I'll let you explain it, because you can probably explain it better than me, right? Well, no, samuel at the beginning.
Speaker 2:Hannah. His mother was not able to have a child and finally she has a child, able to have a child, and finally she has a child. She dedicates Samuel to God, he lives with the priest and he grows up as a young boy. God speaks to him. It's a fascinating story. I'd encourage people to read the first couple of chapters of 1 Samuel.
Speaker 2:Hannah's prayer there in 1 Samuel 2 is just an amazing prayer, basically a prophecy over time. And so Samuel grows up and he becomes like the spokesperson of God for the people. And then what we see is that over time, the people come to Samuel and say, hey, we want a king. Like the other nations around us, we want a king. Well, samuel's not really in favor of that, but he talks to God and God says, okay, give them what they want. Favor of that. But he talks to God and God says, okay, give them what they want, even though Samuel said you know, I don't really want to do this, but God said no, give them a king.
Speaker 2:So he finds Saul and that's a unique story as well and so he anoints Saul as the king, and so at the beginning, samuel is a huge part of it. But then, as Saul becomes a king and begins to elevate in prominence in the book, samuel gets less and less in the back, even though he's still very important. He becomes less and less because now they have a king and then Saul does some things that's disobedient to God and those kind of things and that begins his downfall. And Saul confronts him on it and he tries to make all kinds of excuses and everything like that, and so that was really the beginning of the downfall, when Saul just felt that he could do—he's king, now he can do whatever he wants and that was a real big problem.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, you have to have accountability you know, accountability is so important.
Speaker 1:You know, not only to your team, but to yourself. You know, and to God right, you know if you're going to do things and you know, I just thought that was a power went to the head. I've seen it so much in corporate where somebody got a title and once they got a title of a manager or whatever, it changed their whole thought process. Now I can change it in a good way. I've, I've, I've known, I've worked with companies before and I had like a, a troublemaker that literally was the troublemaker of the group and they had me in there coaching him for, for you know, termination, you know doing everything they can to terminate, and I said let's try something different. I said, why don't you make this person a manager? They're like what are you talking about?
Speaker 2:You're crazy. They did Tim. You are crazy and I'm like have we pay you for this? I know Right.
Speaker 1:And I said hear me out. And I said this this person has very strong qualities, this person has strong leadership. Had this and I'd worked with them a while and I could see where they were in leadership. I felt that they were just very bored in their job, very underused, underutilized in their job, and so they said all right. Luckily, I don't know how they said all right, but they did we increased it up to a management position, a different title, limited responsibilities, so they could prove themselves, and lo and behold, it was like a flip of a switch sometimes.
Speaker 1:And that person just turned into a lifer for the company after that. But I mean, you don't understand. They were a week away from getting fired and sometimes it's just a flip of a switch. It's a mentality of being accountable and figuring out where you're at by giving them a title that gave them the point where they had to be more accountable for their actions. Right, they didn't have to do that and it changed their whole mindset into a leadership mindset of someone being a follower.
Speaker 2:That just proves the point that we've said more than once, and that is you don't just want the right people on the bus, you want the right people in the right seat on the bus. And so once he got in the right seat on the bus, then he was able to thrive and the company was able to thrive. Now, sometimes you try that and it doesn't work, and you haven't let someone go right.
Speaker 2:We've all had to do that. It's not an easy thing to do, but I think accountability is so important. Responsibility, you know. Accountability how are they going to handle themselves in this new role? Sometimes people get in position of authority and it goes to their head and then they get a big head. And I think one of the things that I've seen happen is when people in authority make mistakes and they don't own up to them or they shift the blame. I think one of the great things about someone with character and leadership is they own their own mistakes. I used to tell the staff hey, I want to hear your opinion, but I still have 51 percent of the vote. And if I made a bad decision, I'd say hey, that was wrong, I made a mistake, you all were right, let's do this again and we go forward. So owning your mistakes, I think, is a sign of a good leader and accountability.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think back. I mean I mentioned in the shows, you know, early, early, early shows when it talks about character and all this stuff, and I think back of the times that I sort of didn't own it. I put off and made excuses or said it wasn't me and all that stuff. Those things still annoy me today.
Speaker 1:I just want to find those people. I think you know broke this vacuum one time and me and my roommate it was his fault, but we said it was his fault. But but we said I don't know. We glued it back together and called it good. Well, I broke off like 30 seconds later after they got it back to their apartment. You know, I'm like, well, I don't know what happened. I'm like what a moron, right.
Speaker 2:You know like why didn't you just go buy another, another?
Speaker 1:thing you know, own it. Say, yeah, it's fine, I'll get you another $100 vacuum. It's not a big deal. But we just didn't. And it still is today. If I knew who those people were, I'd go out and buy them a new vacuum today and wouldn't even think twice of it. But I guess that comes with the wisdom, with age, right.
Speaker 2:Well it does. But also, Jesus said, those who can be responsible in small things can be responsible in big things. And so it's those little small things. A lot of times, it's not the big decisions or the big things that get us in trouble, it's the accumulation of little small things that get us in trouble and people that are under us, in our leadership, they begin to see those little small pebbles, little small things that eventually end up to be a real problem.
Speaker 2:And they see a pattern of behavior that they don't like and there's consequences for that. Sometimes we lose good people because of the mistakes we're making that we don't own up to.
Speaker 1:Right. Yeah, that's exactly right. I've left a few just because people didn't own up or the character flaws were there in large quantities.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so then we saw that in the book of Samuel. Now Samuel, I think, was just a phenomenal individual. Phenomenal character, selflessness, accountability, just an incredible man of God, I think one of the strongest in the whole Bible. Saul started out great, ended up not good. David started out great, you know, killed Goliath, you know all that kind of stuff became king and then he had his downfall because of mistakes he made too, and even though he owned up to them, the consequences of those mistakes really ended up a tragic life at the very end. And so we got to be careful about the things, the decisions we make, and whether or not we're going to own up to them, and think about our character versus charisma.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly right, Be humble right Be humble.
Speaker 1:Keep working on your future leadership skills. Stay confident, focus on your unique strengths. Don't worry about others If they have unique strengths. There's strengths training out there. I always tell people you can go out and look at strengths training and there's Clifton and all the kinds of different things out there. Things out there. But if you just focus on your strengths, not worry about your weaknesses, and then find other people that are good at doing what your weaknesses are, there shouldn't be any problem. If everybody's working to their strengths, nobody will have any weaknesses because nobody will care what their weaknesses are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the team effort will really be strong? Exactly right.
Speaker 1:All right, Well, what do you got on this Well?
Speaker 2:I'm just thinking about some dad jokes.
Speaker 1:I figured you might be, did you?
Speaker 2:hear about the neck decorating contest.
Speaker 1:The neck decorating contest yeah. I do not know.
Speaker 2:It was a tie.
Speaker 1:All right, I'll give you something on that one. That was a good one. I could reach the applause button on that one. I like that one.
Speaker 2:So what did the skillet eat on its birthday?
Speaker 1:Oh, I've heard this one, but I don't remember it. Pancakes, pancakes, nice, I hadn't heard that one. There's another one on the skillet, so I'm going to have to find it real fast. What else you got?
Speaker 2:Well, went to a uh, a silent auction I won a dog.
Speaker 1:That was it. I was just waiting for you to go I went to a silent auction.
Speaker 2:I uh, I won a dog whistle and two mimes you have to analyze that one.
Speaker 1:Right, I was looking up skillet jokes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, skillet jokes, why did?
Speaker 1:the skillet go to therapy. Couldn't handle the heat anymore.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, that's the truth. We have this one skillet in our house. That's fantastic, Very non-heat. But we have this pan in our house that I don't know what happened when they were making it. They didn't put the covers on the handles and it'll burn you if you're not careful, so you've got to remember that's the pan that gets hot. So why was the pig covered in? Ink the pig. Covered in ink Because it lived in a pen.
Speaker 1:Oh, I gave you that one.
Speaker 2:That was a I had to. You had to process that one.
Speaker 1:My brain processed it. I was still trying to think of skillet jokes over here right. All right.
Speaker 2:One more. Who was it that said a penny saved is a penny earned?
Speaker 1:That dude.
Speaker 2:I think it was Franklin or something like that. You know, that's just common sense.
Speaker 1:I've heard that one before, I don't know. All right.
Speaker 2:Oh Well, you got. You have one. You got something in the book or anything like that.
Speaker 1:I was going through, like you know, skillet jokes. I went down there.
Speaker 2:Did you see the news over the weekend?
Speaker 1:I saw no news over the weekend there was a cheese factory that exploded in France.
Speaker 2:There was debris everywhere. Yeah, I've heard that one before. I think it might have been said on this show yeah, go back to episode like four. That was six.
Speaker 1:I think it might have been said on this show yeah, go back to episode four. That was six, I think. So six or seven, all right. Well, dr P.
Speaker 2:Well, why I got one more. Okay, why do people always buy SUVs? Why do they always buy SUVs now and that's like so popular? Why is everybody buying an SUV?
Speaker 1:I don't know, because it's illegal to steal them.
Speaker 2:I deserve that one. Diversity on that one.
Speaker 1:Hey, guys, check us out, send us dad jokes. We need dad jokes. I'll read the ones that came in on the air here. So, hey, check us out biblicalleadershipshowcom and send us some dad jokes, text us, do whatever you want, tell us you know to well, don't tell us to stop the dad jokes, because we'll still do dad jokes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we have fun with the dad jokes. You know, it's one thing to read them on the air and we talk about it, but we crack each other up on the very beginning of the show because we start talking about it. We won't give them up in between, before the show, because we save them for on air. But then we laugh about them, you know, because we know it's going to be something. Well, because Dr Posey either comes in really good, he goes I got some good ones today, or oh, it's not going to have to go to the emergency box today, but got some good ones today, or oh, it's not gonna, we're gonna have to go to the emergency box today. So, but hey, check us out biblicalleadershipshowcom and, uh, ask us anything you'd like to and uh, hopefully you'll stay with us on our series as we continue down this road.
Speaker 2:I'm grabbing my book here we're gonna talk about kings next week. Yeah, that'll be an interesting, that's gonna be a challenging topic. That'll be a challenging topic for us, but stay in with us.
Speaker 1:Come see us. We'll talk kings right before you know. Going into this Halloween time, I don't know if it's good or bad, so other than that, check us out. Biblicalleadershipshowcom and Dr Posey, take us out.
