The Biblical Leadership Show
Inspiration. Wisdom. Leadership from a Higher Perspective.
Welcome to The Biblical Leadership Show, your go-to resource for discovering timeless truths from Scripture that empower leaders to inspire, influence, and impact their world. Hosted by Tim Lansford and Dr. Dean Posey, this podcast takes a deep dive into the Bible’s profound lessons on leadership, bringing fresh perspectives to timeless principles that resonate in today’s fast-paced, ever-changing world.
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- Powerful Biblical Insights: We explore the leadership styles of biblical figures like Moses, Esther, David, and Jesus, extracting practical strategies for overcoming challenges, building trust, and creating lasting impact.
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The Biblical Leadership Show
Prophetic Wisdom: Leadership Insights from Hosea and Amos
How do ancient biblical stories shape modern leadership? Join us in this episode of the Biblical Leadership Show as we humorously explore this intriguing question and unveil leadership principles woven throughout the Bible. With a blend of personal anecdotes, we share our holiday stories and resolutions before jumping into the core discussion of leadership insights from Hosea and Gomer's tale. We promise you'll walk away with a fresh perspective on how to embody the values you wish to see in others, as we dissect the art of maintaining a clear vision amidst challenges.
Together with Dr. Posey and Mr. Lansford, delve into the nuances of effective leadership and accountability, guided by insights from figures like John Maxwell and biblical prophets Amos and Hosea. Discover how Hosea's story mirrors the complexities leaders face today—balancing compassion with tough decision-making while ensuring fairness and integrity. The importance of implementing straightforward accountability systems is highlighted, drawing parallels between ancient wisdom and contemporary organizational challenges. Expect a few dad jokes along the way to keep the mood light as we tackle these profound themes.
We also celebrate the courage and dedication of firefighters and first responders who battle daunting wildfires, particularly in areas like the Palisades. Through personal insights and stories, we shine a light on their bravery and emphasize the importance of community support. We invite you to join our community, share prayer requests, and, of course, enjoy a dad joke or two. Help us spread the word and grow our listener base while we continue this enlightening journey through the Bible, aiming for a baker's dozen of listeners by the year's end. LOL. Maybe a few more than that!
all righty yeah, uh-huh, yeah, Come on, come on, Alrighty welcome, welcome and a welcome.
Speaker 2:Welcome Tim. How you doing there, wonderful. How are we doing today? I am doing fantastic.
Speaker 1:Yes, Dr Posey and Mr Lansford here on another exciting episode of the Biblical Leadership Show.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I was just asking you right before we went on the air. This is number 68. 68. Podcast number 68. I'm excited, yeah, getting up there to 70.
Speaker 1:I know Close close, close yeah. So yeah, so we're slowly getting back into it here through the new year. The holidays to getting back into it here through the new year, the holidays, yeah, yeah. So it's been a fun and exciting trip, you know, and I'm still in sleepy vacation mode sort of you know. So hopefully we can make it through this, you know, and maybe we can cut this one down to like six minutes or something today.
Speaker 2:How about six minutes of content and about 30 minutes of?
Speaker 1:dad jokes, We've been there done that we did that.
Speaker 2:Check out our New.
Speaker 1:Year's Eve show if you want that one for sure hey talking about.
Speaker 2:It's not really a joke, but you know people. I was at the gym this morning swimming before I came in, and so a lot of people at the gym because you know they have a new resolution they get back in shape and all this. This is great. This is great. And so some people. They start new things. Maybe you started a new playlist on your phone or whatever songs you heard.
Speaker 1:I need to put one of those together. Yeah, put a playlist, okay.
Speaker 2:So here's a new playlist that I put together over the holidays, so it's a list from M&M, the cranberries and peanuts, and I called it Trail Mix.
Speaker 1:Just had to get one in. I just had to get one in there.
Speaker 2:I did I had to get one in there right at the start of the show.
Speaker 1:And you're looking at one of your Christmas presents I do believe Was this Christmas and you're looking at one of your Christmas presents.
Speaker 2:I do believe my kids just give me such a hard time, and my grandkids about dad jokes and yet one of the things they gave me. I don't know. I think they're jealous or something. I don't really know, but one of the things they gave me for Christmas was a dad joke calendar was a dad joke calendar. Yeah, so I have in my possession, right here in the studio, 365 dad jokes.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And we're going to go through all of them sometime this year. We might go through them all in the next two weeks.
Speaker 1:They might be, you never know.
Speaker 2:Did you hear? You know, new companies come out with products and stuff like that start of the year. So the makers of Head Shoulders I don't know who does Head Shoulders, but they're coming out with a new body wash and it's called Knees Toes.
Speaker 1:All right, I'll throw it in there. Oh, that's a bad one.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's the wrong button.
Speaker 1:There we go. That's the yellow button. Is that better, oh?
Speaker 2:And you know, when we get together over Christmas, we just love being with our family or kids, grandkids. We do puzzles, we do stocking hunts, we just do all kinds of fun. It was just great to have them, and so there's a little competition between us to see who can laugh.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like we all laugh, but we're so competitive I just laugh harder. I don't even know if I should reach for the button on that one. I made you laugh, though. You did right, you did yeah, well, yeah.
Speaker 2:You did right, you did yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that's pretty good, handy little thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know I've got a whole week's worth right here. You are just ready to go. I am ready.
Speaker 1:Dad joke extraordinaire.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, yeah, that's awesome, that's really good.
Speaker 1:Well, you know the topics, you know if you've been following us. We're in this year-long leadership, year-long of taking different chapters of the Bible, and we mentioned a couple of times a couple shows ago that it's not that we're deviating, but we're lumping some stuff together. So let's catch a couple people up how we're sort of going on this and then we'll talk about what we're going to talk about today.
Speaker 2:Okay, that sounds good. So our desire was to go through the entire Bible, book by book, and talk about the leadership principles that are in each book. If you have been following our podcast, you know that for the first part of the New Testament, from Genesis to Psalms, we followed pretty much the order in the Bible. But after the Song of Solomon, we're trying to figure out how do we get all this in in one year.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:There's 66 books, there's only 52 weeks, and so we thought we got to combine. We want to do it within a year, and the reason we want to do that is because when we finish the book of Revelation in the summer, that will be our 100th podcast.
Speaker 1:We have a method of this right, we have a method to our madness, and a lot of the chapters are pretty small in comparison compared to some of the others right.
Speaker 2:Now, yeah, you have some serious, lengthy prophets in the Old Testament, like Jeremiah, ezekiel, isaiah, but there are a lot of small books, and so what we've done in our show prep is to lump some of the books together because they're similar themes and now that we're in the prophets in the last part of the Old Testament, a lot of those prophets have the same theme. It would be very easy to talk about the same thing for several weeks, but what we have done, because of Tim's research, is we're going to look at a little different theme for each of the books and talk about a different leadership principle that we believe is in each one of those books, just to keep up with the theme of the show from the very beginning. And so we're not going the last part of the Old Testament that we started. It's not going to be in the order that's in the Bible. We'll eventually get to all the books, but they're not going to be in the same order that you read them in the Bible.
Speaker 2:And so today we're going to talk about Hosea and Amos. Next week we're going to talk about Isaiah and Micah and Amos. Next week we're going to talk about Isaiah and Micah. And we're doing that because we're trying to combine some of those books together so we can finish the show, like I said, in the summer with our 100th episode on the book of Revelation.
Speaker 1:Fun. I think that sounds like a heck of a plan. Yeah, it's a good plan. At least it does to us. Yeah, it does. I think we have seven listeners now. I think we're like a heck of a plan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a good plan. At least it does to us. Yeah, it does. I think we have seven listeners now. I think we're up to eight, oh, eight. I think we picked up another one over the holidays. Wow, that's fantastic. What a Christmas bonus. I didn't see if we lost any, but I think we picked up a new one.
Speaker 1:We're just going with that.
Speaker 2:I like it All right, we might have a few more than eight, but that's all right and we don't have to be nervous about it or anxious about it.
Speaker 1:You know what they call an anxious dinosaur? No, a nervous Rex. All right, I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2:I got to get some in.
Speaker 1:I know you got to use this Christmas present. I know I want your kids to listen and think these went to no avail or there wasn't a good present or anything.
Speaker 2:They would be so sad if they gave me this amazing present and they didn't hear it on the podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and they know it's going to get used.
Speaker 2:They know it.
Speaker 1:There wasn't a doubt. They're like, oh yeah, we got to get this.
Speaker 2:And then what's so funny is they'll give me this book and then I'll read some of it and then they just roll their eyes. It's like you asked for it. I'm giving you what you asked for, exactly right? So?
Speaker 1:you know it's part of it.
Speaker 2:It's part of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. So let's talk about this. Hosea and Amos today, hosea, we, you know. Let's sort of take them in steps and talk about both these if we can.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we can. So. So the book of Hosea, obviously one of the prophets of the Old Testament, we have to understand some history. So the nation of Israel and, and Israel was divided into two basic countries after the death of King Solomon, and you had the northern kingdom and the southern kingdom, and over a period of time which didn't take very long, both of these countries began to move away from their worship of the one true God. And so what we see, a similar theme in all of the prophets of the Old Testament, was they're trying to challenge the leaders of the country to turn back to the one true God and worship that one true God instead of all the gods from the other lands around them, god instead of all the gods from the other lands around them.
Speaker 2:And so in the book of Hosea, we see a very symbolic thing happening, because the nation of Israel has been so unfaithful to God that Hosea was challenged by God to marry a woman who God knew would be unfaithful to him in marriage. And so he did. He married this woman and she was unfaithful. And yet Hosea was challenged and invited to have unconditional love toward this woman even though she was unfaithful to him, symbolically representing the way that God has unconditional love towards us even when we're unfaithful. And so, and Hosea was obedient to that what a great lesson for us today, especially when we're talking about leadership. And so the question is what about the leaders that don't live up to what they say? They want their people to do certain things, but they don't want to follow it, and so, to me, leadership is sacrifice, and Hosea had to sacrifice and make a lot of sacrifices to continue to marry this woman, to be unconditional love towards her, married to this woman, to be, you know, unconditional love towards her. And what a meaningful lesson that that story has for us that God has unconditional love towards us.
Speaker 2:And the question we should have as leaders is how do we live as leaders? Do we take the hard road? Do we take the easy road? Hosea took the hard road, and what a great lesson for us. And so the quote I got from doing a little research before the show, from John Maxwell, who's just an incredible leader.
Speaker 2:This is what he says Hollow leadership results when we do not incarnate the values we want others to embrace. What a great statement. So what I think John Maxwell is saying, and I think what Jose is, the the message of that is, we're not going to just talk the talk, we have to walk the walk. So if we're going to be—Hosea was challenged to be faithful to his wife even though she was unfaithful to him, to have unconditional love for her when she didn't show that to him because it was a symbolic story of the way God treats us. And so the question for leaders is how do we live, how do we lead? Do we want people to do certain things and we don't want to do them, or are we going to walk the walk? And that's a really powerful lesson.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we talked a little bit about you know in the show some of the different challenges we have as leaders, right, you know from our employees and how to give grace and you know allow them to. You know, look through, be successful, sort of like you know. He could have looked through and said now you know, and most people would have, and that's why I thought this story was so thing. What was her name? Gomer Gomer.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So gave grace on her and he followed God's word to do this, where a lot of people, I think, especially at that time, probably wouldn't have made the same decision. So I thought that was pretty good, that he led with the grace and the redemption of going through and saying this is what we need to do, Because they had multiple kids. I think they had three kids is what my research was, and so yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so, as far as leadership, leadership leaders never lose sight of the big picture. Good leaders never lose sight of the big picture and they always try to stay focused on the goals, the vision of the organization, even when we have challenges. We're not trying to be Pollyannish about it, we're not trying to say something that's not true, but we always have the big picture in mind, and so we're always going to go through some difficult time. We might have an employee that doesn't work, we have an economy that's not working for us, we might have a supply chain issue that's a problem.
Speaker 2:We might have issues with finances or whatever, but we never lose sight of the big picture, the goals, the vision of the organization, and that is what I think a good leader does, and that's what Jose was saying, is what I think a good leader does, and that's what Hosea was saying. I'm going to keep the big picture in mind, that my love for my spouse is going to be unconditional, no matter what she does, I'm still going to love her, just because that's symbolic of the way God loves us. And so I just think it's a great thing for a leader to always keep focused on the big picture, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because there on the big picture, right, yeah, yeah, cause there is a big picture, you know it's that, that vision and and that. Uh, you know how and and where, where my brain is going, where my words are trying to do it as we talked about you know when, when we've had to fire people you know we sort of mentioned that and and uh, you know, there there's a certain compassion that we have that we want our, all our employees to be family.
Speaker 1:You know, and and we all are family and and sometimes we get in situations where we have a lot of termiles as leaders and as business owners and and you know people that run in prominent positions that we have to make some hard decisions and and and sometimes it doesn't feed into you, feed into what you're trying to accomplish in a company.
Speaker 1:I have a client that had went through that and grew too fast, and I was trying to explain to this person that you're growing too fast and you're doing it more based on ego of what his goals were than the business there, and and I told him it's, it's a recipe for failure. Well, it, it came where it came to head right. You know he has all these employees and the the money is monetary is not coming in, so there's a tipping point there. So now he has to start going backwards and firing people, and he was just crushed on this and you know, and sometimes it's, it's prethinking and not letting the ego get in place and and to go. Is this a sound business decision not just based on your heart that you want to be the biggest and greatest in the world, but there's. There has to be certain steps that we have to do as business leaders to really evaluate those things.
Speaker 2:Exactly correct. And so the question that comes up from that is think about now. I don't want to give the impression, like from Hosea, that we never fire a person, that we never get rid of a person. I don't want to go down that road because I don't think that's a correct road to go down Right. But it does, I guess, prompt the question as far as if we're the leader of the organization, we're the boss, and we can hire and fire people.
Speaker 2:When one of our employees does something that's not good for the health of the organization, how many second chances do we give them? Do we fire them right away? Do we give them a second chance? And if we give them a second chance, okay, great. How many second chances do we give them before we say enough is enough? There's not a hard and fast rule for that, but if we're going to let someone go, at least they need to know in advance, hopefully, what they're being fired for. And so there's expectations, there's accountability, it's very objective. So they know okay, these are my expectations, these were the things I was supposed to do. I didn't get them done.
Speaker 2:Then, very rarely I've had to fire people.
Speaker 2:It's never pleasant, but most of the time. They knew that they weren't doing their job and so they saw it coming and you give them a chance, sometimes more than one chance, sometimes two or three chances, but eventually you have to make a decision for the organization If you're going to keep the big picture in mind, and we can get to this later. You know, when we talk about Amos, we're trying to be fair to everybody. Amos, we're trying to be fair to everybody, and if you just keep someone who's not doing their job or messing up, not coming to work in on time, always turning their work in late, people can't count on them. You want to be fair to the person, but you also have to be fair to the other people who are doing their job. You have to be fair to the organization and so at some point you have to say, okay, enough is enough. I've given this person three times. I've documented it all the time. They should not have any doubt in their mind that they're not doing a job and I'm going to let them go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you go back to if you've heard of a PIP plan, a performance improvement plan, right, you know some of the different things that they have in that. You know you start out with purpose. You know why is this being implemented. You know what's the write-up about, why are you doing this. And then you talk about the performance issues and then you set the expectations and you develop that action plan to create the new behavior in the person you're trying to do. And then you put a timeline on it and if you can do that and you can outline how you're going to get there, what support you're going to get. Because sometimes I always tell people sometimes as bosses, as leaders, where we have a problem person, sometimes we point the finger at that person. But sometimes it's us as leaders, where we have a problem person, sometimes we point the finger at that person, but sometimes it's us as a boss, where you know the busyness, that we're too busy. We couldn't give them direction.
Speaker 1:I've been in through companies before that I'm every day. I ask hey, can I take you to lunch? Can I sit down for me? No, I'm too busy, I'm and I'm looking for direction. You know I'm trying to find it and then I start down a direction because, you know, I don't know if it's right or wrong. I just got to do something because I feel like I'm just, you know, spinning my wheels but I could never get answers out of my boss at the time. You know, it's been many years, but it's one of those things that you have to have that, and if you can put that in place and as a business, as a leader, as a church, that's just going to help you line people out a little bit faster, and I think that's a great segue from Hosea to Amos.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay. So Amos, another prophet, You're talking about accountability. I think both of this in Amos and Hosea if we're going to restore somebody, if we're going to give someone a second chance, a simple game plan is the best plan. You don't want to make it so complicated, so detailed, that they leave your office and they're thinking what am I supposed to do now? I mean, it should be a very simple one two, three. This is what an engineer needs you to do for the next 30 days, 60 days, 90. We're going to reevaluate this every 30 days. This is the things I expect you to get done in the next 30 days, or 60 days, or 90 days, and it talks about accountability, and that's what Amos was talking about.
Speaker 2:He wanted to hold the people accountable for not worshiping the true God, turning away from God. He wanted to hold them accountable, and I think one of the hard things about being a leader is you wanted to hold them accountable, and I think one of the hard things about being a leader is you want to hold people accountable. You want to hold yourself accountable, but you want to hold other people accountable. That's part of the job, and so, as a leader, I would ask the question those of you who are leaders in your organization it could be a softball team, whatever who holds you accountable?
Speaker 2:I know in the church we had a group of people, a personnel committee, that hold me accountable. The bishop held me accountable, so it wasn't like I had free reign and I wasn't held accountable for things. I had to justify decisions. I had a lot of decisions I could make, but I had to give a performance eval. I had to do that every year.
Speaker 2:You know we had meetings normally once a month with a personnel committee, so there is a built-in accountability, and so the question I'd have for leaders is who are you accountable to? Do you have a board of directors? Do you have a support group? How does that work for you? Directors, do you have a support group? How does that work for you? Because people that don't have accountability sometimes they get a big head, they start going in directions that's not good for the organization. They get very self-centered, they get off track with the goal and the mission of the organization over time and it just leads to disaster. So accountability is a huge issue. That's, I think, part of what the book of Amos is all about is holding people accountable, and that's just a good thing.
Speaker 2:So at the beginning of the year, now that we're at the beginning of the year, the question is how are you going to implement that in your organization on a consistent basis? Is it going to be a monthly eval, is it going to be a quarterly eval, a six-month eval, a yearly eval? And if someone's having an evaluation which everyone should then do they know in advance how they're going to be evaluated. That's real important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's something that needs to be set. I think every company does a little bit different. I think, as a leader, you need to find, establish what works for you, and it depends on size. I mean, I do coaching for some clients that have 150 people under them, and then I have some that have two or three. Right, there's a little bit more one-on-one time with somebody that has you know three. You can have them in once a week, you know, talk to them, have your you know values 150. I mean, you started at the beginning of the year and you're still not done at the end of the year.
Speaker 2:Right, it's a tough one. It is tough.
Speaker 1:So everybody's got their different scenarios and I think even from the church you know there's a process and then you get into different churches have different processes, and then you get into different states have different state processes. So it's this constant battle as a leadership, but I think the thing that really come out of it is figuring out how you can be consistent in all your actions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, consistency and fairness. So if you evaluate, say, you have an organization of 10 people, you have a couple of salespeople, you have a couple of maybe accounting person, you have people working in the warehouse, you have someone that cleans up. So are your salespeople all being treated the same? Are you fair to all of them? Are you treating your custodian the same way you're treating your vice president? Are you just kind of looking down on them?
Speaker 2:I mean, so to me, the book of Amos is really talking about treating people fairly. He was upset that some of the wealthier people of the country were looking down upon the less let's just say, unfortunate economic people and the poorer people of the land, and he didn't like it. He didn't think that was right. So he said no, we got to treat people fairly, and they might not have the same social status, but we can always treat people the same. And so that's, I think, a great leadership question is are we treating everybody in the organization the same? It doesn't mean we spend the same time with them, but when we do spend time with them, are we treating them fairly? Are we talking to everybody that we can? Are we being kind to everybody we can? And I think that's a really good leadership practice.
Speaker 1:It is, and you know it boils down to Amos. He didn't get lost either.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:No, because he always walked in righteousness and it's a straight path.
Speaker 2:It's a straight path. Where's that button? Oh yes, please.
Speaker 1:Oh, I had to do a little. Turn on you there.
Speaker 2:Did you hear the one about? Okay, the math teacher was arrested. This was just in the news. The other day A math teacher was arrested for carrying a protractor, a calculator and a ruler.
Speaker 1:I've heard this one.
Speaker 2:The police charge her with the possession of weapons of mass destruction Nice.
Speaker 1:Let's see what did Amos say to we got away from Amos that quick. What did Amos say to the complacent cows of Bashan?
Speaker 2:I have no idea.
Speaker 1:Move over, move over. Judgment is coming, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know my next door neighbor. His father has an old DeLorean.
Speaker 1:You know the DeLorean from Back in the Future.
Speaker 2:But the problem is he only drives it from time to time.
Speaker 1:All right, that wasn't bad.
Speaker 2:That wasn't bad. All right, that's for my Christmas present right there. Yeah, that wasn't bad. All right, that's for my Christmas present right there, yeah.
Speaker 1:That wasn't too bad.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh my gosh. Okay, here we go. One more, All right.
Speaker 1:One more. I don't know if we have enough time or not. Yeah, we'll make time.
Speaker 2:Do you know of all the inventions over the last hundred years? Think about all the inventions over the last hundred years. Think about all the inventions over the last hundred years. Maybe the dry erase board is the one that's the most remarkable. There you go. Okay, all righty. I'm not going to say top that, because anything would top that I know Exactly right.
Speaker 1:As always, we always welcome dad jokes coming into 2025 here, right, we are so focused on dad jokes. I'm telling you You're more than welcome to send them to us. Biblicalleadershipshowcom. You got one more there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do. All right, I see you looking. I'm like he's like jumping over the building I have.
Speaker 1:I've got a whole list of them here.
Speaker 2:I do, I can't. Just I see you looking. I'm like he's like jumping over the building I have, I've got a whole list of them here, I know. So most dad jokes make me feel numb, but math jokes make me feel number. I'll give you that one I like that one.
Speaker 1:Actually, I like that one. I like that one. Okay, all like that one. I like that one. Okay, all right, well, well, you know, it's one of those things that we'll say a prayer our hearts go out to the people in the wildfires.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, it's sort of crazy out there. I can't imagine how sad that is out there. Yeah, it's destruction.
Speaker 1:We just came out of Hawaii and we drove through, you know, down the Lahaina area and all that, just to see the destruction down there and I can't even imagine, you know, what's going on over there and it's so our hearts go out to them. We just want to, you know, say a prayer for them.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of sadness out there. It's going to take years. That city might not ever look the same. Yeah, you know Palisades and all that, but we've got to pray for the firefighters and the people that are making decisions, and I bet they're just exhausted. Yeah, that's a lot those first responders. Man, that's a tough job.
Speaker 1:Tough, tough job.
Speaker 2:And a lot of times they don't get the credit they deserve and they're just putting their life on the line 24-7 right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, this isn't a little grass fire out in the pasture. I used to be a volunteer fireman. This is like serious. You can't outrun these when they get going, especially with these winds coming in from the Santa Ana wind. And it's just. You know, I I think about you know, when I worked the wheat fields up in kansas, you know we would run through on this side of the field and just dribble the thing and it would catch fire and by the time we could drive 70 miles per hour down to the other field and it was already down there. It was already burnt that whole area yeah because of the wind.
Speaker 1:You know up in kansas on that, the planes there and it would the wind. You know up in Kansas on the plains there and it would be that quick, you know. So I understand, and this is even worse in some cases, you know, and so, yeah, our hearts go out to them. But, you know, let us know if we can say a prayer for you, reach out to us biblicalleadershipshowcom and send us some dad jokes Always welcome for those, yeah, please.
Speaker 1:We have a whole list of things here, but apparently we need some others still right. Other than that, guys have a great day.
Speaker 2:Tell someone else about our podcast. Tell somebody else about our podcast. We need to get past the 10. Maybe it even does it.
Speaker 1:That's our baby, maybe a baker's dozen this year. That's our goal.
Speaker 2:Baker's dozen, all right Well take it out with your magical words. All right, make it a great day, thank you.
