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Welcome to The Biblical Leadership Show, your go-to resource for discovering timeless truths from Scripture that empower leaders to inspire, influence, and impact their world. Hosted by Tim Lansford and Dr. Dean Posey, this podcast takes a deep dive into the Bible’s profound lessons on leadership, bringing fresh perspectives to timeless principles that resonate in today’s fast-paced, ever-changing world.
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Courage Under Pressure: Esther's Leadership Legacy
Courage under pressure. Divine purpose. Standing bold when everything is on the line. These aren't just abstract leadership concepts – they're the powerful realities that emerge from the remarkable story of Queen Esther.
After a brief hiatus, we're back in the studio diving into one of the most fascinating leadership narratives in the Old Testament. The Book of Esther provides us with a masterclass in recognizing divine positioning, making consequential decisions, and finding the courage to act when stakes couldn't be higher.
The famous words from Mordecai to Esther – "Perhaps you were born for such a time as this" – echo through history as a challenge to every leader. What if you're exactly where you need to be right now? What if your position, regardless of how you got there, is precisely where you're meant to make a difference that no one else can?
We explore Esther's journey from orphan to queen, and how she risked everything to save her people. Her willingness to put her reputation and life on the line stands as a timeless example for leaders today. As Dr. Posey notes, "We can choose to do whatever we want, but we can't always choose the consequences" – a principle that applies whether you're leading a family, a team, or an organization.
Perhaps most fascinating is how God works throughout this narrative without ever being explicitly mentioned. This reminds us that divine purpose often operates behind the scenes, even when circumstances seem chaotic or when evil appears to be winning.
What's your "such a time as this" moment? Where are you positioned to make a difference that only you can make? Join us for this compelling discussion about finding your divine purpose and having the courage to stand up when it matters most.
Check out biblicalleadershipshow.com for more episodes as we prepare to complete our journey through the Old Testament before moving into the New Testament in upcoming episodes.
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Speaker 2:It's exciting for us, dr B, but, tim, you got to say welcome.
Speaker 1:Welcome, welcome.
Speaker 2:You guys have just been missing out there. I know it. I've been missing being here in the studio.
Speaker 1:I know we apologize because we've sort of been MIA. We're not giving up. We're not doing it. We had previous engagements. If you've been listening to the last few there, you know that Dr P went back into the working world temporarily yes, I did down in waco texas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a couple of months but he's since retired again yes I have I've since got back in town from traveling so, uh, we're back in the studio together. That is so exciting.
Speaker 1:I'm very excited oh man, I'm so excited to have us back.
Speaker 2:I've been missing it. I like what you've done to the place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're slowly changing it up. You know that's what I do. I get you know bored in the evenings and I start doing things.
Speaker 2:It's crazy it is, but it looks really good. It's got a bunch of vinyl on the walls and everything. That looks really nice, yeah, so I had all these old, old records and uh, so I I made us a wall of records in here.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, literally it looks good, looks really good yeah, I will tell you that it took a little bit to get all those records straight and rows and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:So that was a task. Yeah, exactly right, but I space them out and get them all done. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1:I think I finished that around 10, 15 one night.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a long night, but anyway it's good to be back. Yeah, good to be back. Biblicalleadershipshowcom. If you haven't been with us before, you know, if you're just catching up, maybe this hits and we get a rebirth. We've had a lot of downloads here lately and I'm sure everybody's like whoa downloading the last show to see where we might have went Right. What happened? People are where'd they go Right?
Speaker 2:Well, we tried that one remote and that worked kind of well, but it was a challenge with the schedule. It just was. So now I'm re-retired and back in the you know fort worth area and so we can be in the studio on a regular basis.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty excited because it's much easier to look at you across that than a little computer screen while you're down in waco and everything. It's not that far away but it does help a little bit to be able to see your, your bright, shiny face over there and be in a studio. It's always fun. But yeah glad to be back, Glad you had a good time. Glad to you know.
Speaker 2:It was good, there we go. He asked me to help and I did in a couple of months.
Speaker 1:So I did what I could and enjoyed every minute of it, and I'm done and I'm back and he figured out he likes to be retired and he likes to work. He can't figure it out, but he likes to be retired. I'd like to be retired, can't spend more time with my bride.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, wonderful. Well, you know, after we're catching up here, you know we're going to actually talk a little bit about, but we only got a couple left in the Old Testament.
Speaker 2:We've got this episode and next episode and we're done with the Old Testament.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you're just joining us, maybe the first time we've been doing a series every week to go through all the Old Testament. We're getting ready to start the New Testament here in a couple weeks and we're going through each chapter of the Bible, basically, and giving leadership lessons, discussing what happens, sort of an overview, a high-level overview, of each chapter. And so, yeah, go back and definitely catch up and start from the beginning of Old Testament and work up to now and then catch us up in the New Testament. We're going to be doing that over the course of fewer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the rest of the year pretty much, depending on how we lump some of them together here and there, but other than that, it's exciting. And yeah, what are we talking about?
Speaker 2:today. Today we're talking about Esther Now. Esther's not toward the end of the Old Testament, it's kind of in the middle, just before the middle, um, but um, it is the timing of it in historical uh, relevance of when it happened in history. Uh, as to why we're doing it now, and Esther it's only, it's a. It's a small book compared to others in the Old Testament.
Speaker 2:It's only 10 chapters, but it is a powerful lesson on leadership and, uh, there are four main characters in the book and the storyline of Queen Esther is just phenomenal and there's some very important words that are specifically in chapter 4, verse 14, that I think are important for everybody who's ever listening, whatever age, and just some characters, traits that we see in Queen Esther and Mordecai and also in Xerxes and Haman, and so we can compare those two groups of people and see things that we want to emulate and things that we don't. So it's a powerful book, a great story. If you have not read the story of Esther, you can sit down and read it in probably 30, 40 minutes or listen to it on the Bible on your phone or whatever. It's just a powerful book and it has so many lessons for us. Today We'll get to a few of them here in a minute.
Speaker 1:Awesome. So where do we want to take this? Do you want to sort of describe?
Speaker 2:Well, we have to, our new listeners have to realize. And we didn't stop doing the podcast because we ran out of dad jokes. We will never run out of dad jokes.
Speaker 1:Oh, the dad jokes, it's like an artesian.
Speaker 2:Well, there is never an end to dad jokes, okay, so here we go. We're just going to start out. Before we talk about the Bible, we've got to talk about dad jokes. So here's one how did the owl manage his bad breath? How did the owl manage?
Speaker 1:his bad breath? How did the owl manage his?
Speaker 2:bad breath um, I don't know altoids, oh boy let's see, let's see.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I thought I was gonna get the groaner no, no, we got it there and uh, yeah, my kid will like that. I have to remember that. One tell him a little bit. He my, my, my boy's sort of a jokester. He likes some of those things. Yeah, there we go, there we go I just hand you the paper.
Speaker 2:Just hand me the paper. Yeah, um so oh so yeah, we'll just, we'll just keep doing a little bit more. So how do you get an astronaut's baby to sleep?
Speaker 1:An astronaut's baby to sleep. Well, that's a great question Trying to think of something fun.
Speaker 2:You rock it. I was going through Trying to think of something fun. You rock it. I was going through the space shuttle. I was going through the moonwalk, the moonwalking, the spacewalking.
Speaker 1:I was going through all the fun stuff in there trying to figure out where are we going on this. But yeah, just if you're not familiar, you're like what in the world are we going on this? So, but yeah, just if if you're not familiar, like what in the world are we doing here? Uh, you know, we like dad jokes and we decided, if we're going to do a podcast, we're going to have fun. I know it's, it's crazy for a uh leadership keynote guy and and uh motivational speaker and uh, uh, minister, pastor, pastor for uh 40 years. Like dad jokes. But by gosh, that is our stick and we're pretty excited about it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, here's one last one. Some of our listeners will probably appreciate this more than others. Maybe none will appreciate it, but here we go. You know, today, before I came in the studio, I uploaded my 1,000th photo to Instagram and they upgraded me to Instakillagram.
Speaker 1:Let's see Hold on.
Speaker 2:That's a bad one, I know. Oh yeah, that is a groaner.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, oh boy, oh yeah, that is a groaner oh boy, oh boy. So anyway, let's, uh, let's talk about we've already punished their people.
Speaker 2:Are like oh, let's turn down and see if anything's changed. No, nothing has changed. Looks like we are tired.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about the bible, please no more. We've suffered enough, oh all right, so let's talk about this. Where are we going to go? On this, okay, so let me just give a brief, and I guess the setting of it, you know, and the brief overview of how this all came apart.
Speaker 2:Okay, so here is King Xerxes. He was the king of a massive kingdom, basically from Egypt all the way to almost India. I mean, it was massive, okay, and he was a big partier, very wealthy, but he loved parties. And so we have this person and he was doing a party. We read this in chapter one he's doing this party and he wants his queen to come out and show off in front of everybody else.
Speaker 1:And she said she wasn't having it.
Speaker 2:No. She said no, I'm not gonna do it. And so he goes okay, you're fine, you can do whatever you want. And here's a. Let's just stop right there, okay? Because I think one of the most important lessons we can learn is here, from the first chapter and I have taught this lesson to young teenagers a lot and that is we can choose to do whatever we want to do, but we can't always choose the consequences, okay? So let me just repeat that we can choose to do anything we want to do, but we can't always choose the consequences.
Speaker 2:And sometimes we want to choose what we want to do, but we also want to choose the consequences. That's not reality, okay. Sometimes the consequences are months or years later. Sometimes we are the only one that pay the consequences. Sometimes other people pay the consequences of our decisions. Many times, that's true, but we cannot always be in control of the consequences. We want to be in control of the consequences, and so this woman who was the queen wanted to be to say no, I'm not going to do what you want, even though I'm the queen, you're the king. And so she was, let's just say, unqueened, you're not going to be queen anymore right.
Speaker 1:He sort of had like a beauty pageant and started lining up other girls to be the queen.
Speaker 2:From all around the kingdom.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, and this is where it gets a little PG. You know, in the book you have to read between the lines. But so they gathered all these, let's say, virgins from around the kingdom and they had to go through months of beauty processes to be perfect for the king, and then they would spend one night with the king, okay, and whoever the king liked the most after all of that, he would choose to be the queen. So Esther was rounded up in that group and she went through all these beauty treatments, even though she was obviously a very attractive woman already. She was an intelligent woman, she was bold, she was Jewish, which she hid from her, you know, from the people, because of Mordecai. Her relative wanted her to do that. And so in the process she becomes queen. And there was another person. So the whole story involves several people, but there's four main people in the story. So you have Xerxes, who is the king. You have Haman, who is like a second-hand man. Okay, he's not the vice president, but he's like the second-hand man. Then you have Mordecai, who is a relative of Esther. Then you have Esther. So those are the four people, and so Esther becomes queen.
Speaker 2:Mordecai did not want to pay homage. He didn't want to bow down to the king, he only wanted to bow down to God. Well, haman hated Jewish people and so he wanted to get revenge over Mordecai. And things go back and forth over several chapters and Haman wanted to destroy all the Jews in the entire kingdom and Esther found out about it, told Mordecai and in chapter 4, verse 14, maybe one of the most important verses in the entire Old Testament and it's quoted so many times outside of the Bible, so relevant for our lives today. And Mordecai's talking to Esther. Esther's trying to figure out what to do and Mordecai says to her perhaps you need to realize that you were born for such a time as this. What a powerful.
Speaker 2:It is powerful, it is a powerful statement and it is so true and it's like, okay, we see God's providence in that, we see God's wisdom in that. God placed her in that very position because if there wasn't going to be someone advocating for the Jewish people, the Jewish people would have been destroyed, at least in the kingdom. And so, with that encouragement and let's just stop right there one of the most important leadership principles that we see from Mordecai here is encouraging other people, even if that means encouraging your co-workers, encouraging your boss. Encourage your employees, encouraging whoever, your janitor, whatever, good leaders. Encourage their people and encourage them to do something that they may not really they have the ability to do.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's not like you're trying to get them to do something illegal or immoral. You know they have the skill to do it. You know they have the talent to do it, they have the wisdom to do it, but they're hesitant to do it for whatever reason. Okay, mordecai knew all of that about Esther, and so he's there just encouraging her to be bold, stand up for her faith and her people. And what an incredible leadership principle from Mordecai. So Esther does that. She encourages the people to fast for three days and they all fast. And then the rules back then was you couldn't as the queen, you couldn't go in to see the king unless the king called you. So even the fact that she went to be bold enough to see the king without her being summoned was taking her life in her own hands. But she said I got to do this for my people was taking her life in her own hands.
Speaker 2:But she said I got to do this for my people and so let's just stop right there. With leaders like Esther, they're bold. Sometimes you got to put your reputation on the line. You got to put not necessarily your life on the line, but your reputation. You got to put a lot of things on the line to do what you know is right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she had courage under pressure. I mean, that was one of the biggest things that she looked at and I think that the verse that if I perish, I perish, that she was calling to a cause and she says I'm going to stand up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to stand up. And so she stood up for what she believed in. And so many times leaders bow down under pressure because, I don't know, the market might be bad or their social media thing is going wrong, and so they kind of downsize or they cower to the pressure instead of standing up for their values, and their values change, or they don't stand up, and then the consequences of that are just huge. Their employees or their company or anything like that and I see that in churches a lot Some people they need to stand up for the truth of the Scripture and sometimes, because of what's going on in the country or the world or whatever, they're just afraid to do that. And so those of you who are out there listening today, I encourage you to learn some lessons from Mordecai and Esther Be bold, not be obnoxious. Don't be autocratic or putting people down. You know Jesus died for us. He didn't make me better than you, he just made me better than I was. Okay and so. But be bold for your faith. Stand up. Be the same person on Sunday as you are on Monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday. Be the same person in church as you are on the softball field. Be the same person at work as you are in church. I field Be the same person at work as you are in church. I mean, be the same person, be bold enough to be the same. And that's what Esther was. She was quiet, she was concerned.
Speaker 2:Mordecai came along, encouraged her and she made that bold statement. She went in to see the king. He said what do you want? And he said well, let's have a dinner. You and Haman and me, we're going to have this dinner. Okay, what do you want? Let's have a dinner the next night. And so, finally, she exposed Haman.
Speaker 2:Now, back then, once the king made a ruling, a decree, you couldn't change it, but he could make another decree that allowed the Jewish people to defend themselves. And so that's what he did and that went around through the entire kingdom. Now, just think about it. They didn't have, you know, facebook and Instagram and social media and all that stuff. They had to carry this edict on horseback, you know, for thousands of miles and all around the kingdom. And so it took a while for that first edict to go out, and then took a while for the other one to go out, but it got there in time and the Jewish people were able to defend themselves, and Esther was just an incredible example of someone being bold when her life was on the line, and so what a great lesson for all of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and one of those things that you know courage. You know, if you have that courage, you know a lot of times you stand up. I mean, how many times people have had courage where they you know jobs or somebody started in the garage. They had that passion. They know that this was part of a bigger picture. You know whether, whether you look at it as your bigger picture and your head, you know it all ties back to. Is it a bigger picture where, where your divine destiny is, where what you're, what you're driven to be part of the bigger picture, of God's bigger picture?
Speaker 1:you know, and and you, you know, and you look at that and I see so many leaders, if you get tied into that purpose I mean, we've been talking about that pre-show you know, different things are creeping up in both of us, like different directions. I mean it's still similar directions, but there's little tweaks that we've been noticing here lately. So I think that's very interesting that we both sort of have acknowledged some of those things as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and here's the other thing. We could look at this book and compare it to things that are happening today very easily, because we can look out on what's happening in the world and say where is God? You know, there's so much evil, corruption, there's so much hatred and violence, and where is God in all of that? And my thinking is sometimes, you know, we might think God is hidden or God doesn't care, but the story of Esther is so powerful, that, um, that it tells us that God is still sovereign and actively working to protect his people. Um, and you might be in a in the very place right now that um, esther was in, and it might not be saving your people, but it might be saving your company. You might, you might have an idea that your company's struggling and you've been thinking about it and you just need to go and maybe sit down with your boss or other employees and say, hey, what about this? And I would say that you are exactly where God wants you to be right now, just like Esther. God put you in that spot right now for a purpose, and the question is have you thought about what that purpose might be? And that could be in a relationship, that could be in a business, that could be with an organization, a nonprofit, it could be anything. But God doesn't do random, okay, he puts you there for a reason and the question is are we willing to listen to God and find out? Okay, what can I do to honor God and bless people, no matter what situation I'm in? You might be coaching a little league team. Okay, how can you do that? Maybe you need to stand up for the rules. Maybe you need to stand up for people the parents that are just yelling all the time and protect the kids and so just be thinking about okay, how does this story apply to me right now? And I just think to me.
Speaker 2:I just lived this story out here in the last couple of months because I was literally at a dinner meeting for my triathlon club when I got a call from another pastor. It was a Thursday night, it was the end of January, darrell Bock and my phone rang and I'm thinking who's calling me? And if it's not Diana, I'm not going to answer it. Well, it was a pastor that I've known for a long, long time and I thought, okay, what's happening? And I took the phone call, went out of the room and he asked me about would I be willing to be an interim pastor at First Methodist Waco? And it's like that wasn't something that it had to be. God. God put me in that position for a specific reason at a specific time. And I went home that night and I told Diana I said you'll never believe who called me today and what they asked. And she said you got to do it, you got to do it, you got to do it. And so that was a Thursday night. That Sunday we were at that church in Waco. They introduced us. We started like the next day or the next two days or something, and I was there for three months.
Speaker 2:And so I think we have to just trust God, that he's sovereign, that he puts us where he wants us, and we just have to realize, okay, what does God want me to do where I am right now? Okay, what is my role in this right now? Always blessing God and helping people. What does that mean in my situation? So I just experienced that it was a real blessing and I believe God is willing to you know, bless you. But we have to realize that God's at work in our life. He's sovereign, he puts us where he wants us for the time he wants us, and the question is how are we going to respond to that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and a couple other things. For one, it was good to see you on your sermons.
Speaker 2:I've been missing your sermons.
Speaker 1:I get my own little version of sermon in the studio but I've been missing that so.
Speaker 2:I had to log on and watch you on TV or on social media. Well, I was just wondering about the shine on those lights. I look good you know my kids would say Dad, more powder?
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm all about it it was shining. I want to do some. I need to go talk to the church. I want to update some stuff. I was looking.
Speaker 2:I'm like ooh my construction and I'm like we need to update that.
Speaker 1:We need to do that. In my head I'm like, oh, we can make some things down there. It looked good, but there's In my head. I was like no-transcript.
Speaker 2:So one thing that's unique about that church that I don't think is in any other church in the entire world, and I don't know how this happened, but the chancel area, or the stage as some people call it, is made out of black granite. It is, which is the same. It was leftover extra material from the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington DC.
Speaker 1:Really, I don't know how they got that.
Speaker 2:I don't know the backstory behind that, but there was enough that the church acquired that somehow and they used it for their chancel and it's absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:You know, when you walk in the building, I mean they've got stained glass windows that would just. You could sit in that room for hours and take in the beauty of the windows. Um, but the chancel. You know the history and if you've ever been to um washington, dc and I encourage people to do that to go see the vietnam memorial and all the names, and there's so much. There's so many stories and sadness about that part of our country's history I see that you need to call on tom.
Speaker 1:I didn't see that on their website because I was looking. I looked through old and tell them I didn't see that on their website because I was looking. I looked through old pictures and these and I didn't see anything about.
Speaker 2:That's where the granite come from.
Speaker 2:It needs to be on their website that makes a whole different thought process when you're looking at that stage, right it's amazing to stand in that spot that had so much history for America and preach and it was just a humbling experience to be asked to do that, even for a short time. And I would think, esther, you know, after the king agreed to send out the second decree, to say, hey, I understand you want to save your people, I'm going to give permission for that to happen. I can't imagine the satisfaction. She said it was worth it.
Speaker 2:I risked my life and it was worth it because I'm helping people yeah.
Speaker 1:I sort of caught my thought because we went down a rabbit hole there. But you know, that's one of the things that you know you need to look at your life in open eyes. But you also got to look at that nagging. Wife and I were talking about that is that little nagging. You know, if that little nagging is just out there, then you need to really pay attention because maybe there's something you're supposed to be doing that you aren't doing, that you need to and maybe you're. You know, you could be, everything could be great in life, but there's something you're supposed to be doing, that little nagging you. You gotta pay attention. She was, she was talking about her grandpa used to tell her all that and she's, she's really big, I'm really big at that as well. But her grandpa used to tell her he was a priest and he used to always say, yeah, if you get that nagging, you need to stop and pray about it and listen to it.
Speaker 1:Because you don't know where the paths are going to lead you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so, going back to the story of Esther, esther was in the palace, mordecai was outside, and I can only imagine the agony that both of them felt, especially Mordecai. He's sitting there, especially Mordecai. He's sitting there, you know, he's being looked down upon by Haman and he's concerned about Esther. And just, you have to read in between the lines, when you read that story, just about the emotional drain that must have been on him and also on Esther. You know thinking about those three days of fasting and thinking about I want to do this, but do I have the courage to do it? Do I have the boldness to do it? And here's the other thing Esther was smart enough and wise enough to ask for help, and I think that's a great leadership principle that we can learn from her. She didn't go oh well, I can do this by myself. No, I need the people to pray and fast with me because I got to make this decision. And so you know for leaders, what a great thing to say hey, you know my team, we need to be praying about this or I need your help. Let's think about this, okay, let's think about how we're. I need your help. Let's think about this, okay, let's think about how we're going to do this. I've got an idea, but I don't know if it's the right idea. Let's just brainstorm on this and think it through. And I need your help.
Speaker 2:And I remember years ago we were in a building committee meeting for a building and a church and there was about 15 of us in the room and we were talking and the architect was there and we started talking and we kind of all agreed, except for one man. His name was Russell. I still remember this and Russell said I don't think that's right, I don't think that's a good decision, and it made us stop and think. We started processing it and you know what? He was right and we changed the direction because of what that one man said and the end of the product was so much better because that one man had the boldness to stand up and say, hey, I, but also because we asked for input. And so just take the time Sometimes you don't have time, but a lot of times you do and just ask for help and other people's input and to make a wise decision.
Speaker 1:Now and wrapping up, before we get to some more dad jokes.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, of course I know.
Speaker 1:Is Esther the chapter that really God was never mentioned in it?
Speaker 2:Is that the right one?
Speaker 1:Okay, it was just sort of read it takes on a timeline of you know through like a roller coaster, but it's never really mentioned as God. So I thought that was very interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very interesting but powerful lessons about faith and about their commitment to their faith.
Speaker 1:But you're right, yeah, it was more about assumptions and you putting that in the story yourself.
Speaker 2:Right, you're reading it into the story, but it actually is not there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought that was interesting, you know, because you know there's a few things like that that you, you know you look at. So anonymous, offalar, I think. Right Is that? Anonymous on Instagram.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I'm just making sure. Anyway, yeah, so we're coming up here at the end of the show. Dr P Wow, I know right. So you know what that means. Dr Posey gets pretty excited about the beginning and the end, because he's got like notes and things. He's got spreadsheets on the wall over here.
Speaker 2:I've got like 400 dead notes Literally.
Speaker 1:I've got like 400, maybe 500.
Speaker 2:And we haven't had a podcast for a couple of weeks, so I could probably use some from last year and people might not go. If you go back and listen to one of our Christmas or New Year's Eve specials it was all dad jokes. We could probably fit one into this one too. One of our Christmas or New Year's Eve special it was all dad jokes. Okay, here we go. We could probably fit one into this one too. What is a tree's favorite radio station?
Speaker 1:Oh, man Barks leaves Close Trunks.
Speaker 2:Anything that plays popular hits, anything that plays Poplar hits.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:You know, I've learned the hard way that it's a very bad idea to tell your secrets to a clock.
Speaker 1:You know why.
Speaker 2:Why? Because time will tell.
Speaker 1:Nice, nice, I didn't even get any response will tell Nice, nice.
Speaker 2:I didn't even get any response from that.
Speaker 1:Nice. Well, I was seeing if I could find a good dad joke. I was just running around and trying to play with all our equipment here making sure we're all good, because we hadn't been in the studio recording for a little bit.
Speaker 2:So I was in there looking at my little thing just to see if I could get a good joke. Okay, so my wife and I were. Every time we go to the state fair, we always stop at the mattress booth just for fun. Lay on the mattress, and one of these days we have to buy a new mattress. Okay, so we go into the mattress store and we said, hey, we'd like to look at a bed. And he said, well, do you want one like a spring mattress? And I said, no, I want to use it all year long.
Speaker 1:All right, all right. So what do you call a night? Who is afraid to fight?
Speaker 2:So what do you call a knight who is afraid to fight? I know this one Knight that is afraid to fight.
Speaker 1:I can't remember Surrender.
Speaker 2:Surrender. Ah, that's it. Okay, that was. I can't even read some buttons anymore. There we go, yeah.
Speaker 1:I've got all the buttons. I took your ability to not touch him away, didn't I? Yes, you did. Put him farther away from the table, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've got all the buttons.
Speaker 1:I took your ability to not touch him away, didn't I?
Speaker 2:Yes, you did Put him farther away from the table, right, Okay?
Speaker 1:why did the sailboat start smoking? How about peer pressure? Oh Okay, yeah, that's bad, let's see. Give us two more. Okay, I'm going to tell you everything I know about leprechauns.
Speaker 2:All right, it's very little. I'll give you that one.
Speaker 1:I'll give All right. It's very little.
Speaker 2:I'll give you that one.
Speaker 1:I'll give you that one. It's the little things that make me happy right.
Speaker 2:You know statistically, statistically only one in seven dwarfs are happy Statistically. Yeah, statistically yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, Dr P, it's been fun, I'm glad to have you back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very nice to see you, oh yeah, I bet, oh, my God, oh.
Speaker 1:Good people are like. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:I'm glad this episode is over. Oh my gosh. I hope they say, wow, can you use that at work tomorrow?
Speaker 1:I've got a couple to use when I get home tonight.
Speaker 2:Okay, good, yes, exactly right.
Speaker 1:All right guys. Well, check us out biblicalleadershipshowcom. We're excited to be back with you. We're going to, you know, unless Dr P goes and decides to start working in another church here, but you never know. He can shake his head all he wants, but he's a man of. God they call and he listens right. So we'll see how it works. But other than that, check us out BiblicalLeadershipShowcom and Dr P and Tim Lansford. But Dr P, take us out, make it a great day. Make it a great day.
