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The Biblical Leadership Show
Staying in Your Lane: Leadership Lessons from John the Baptist
The journey through the Gospels continues as we transition from Luke to John, exploring the profound leadership lessons embedded in the fourth Gospel's unique perspective. While the synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) share many similarities, John's account stands apart with its distinctive theological depth and intimate portrayal of Jesus.
John's Gospel begins with one of the most profound declarations in human history - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This powerful statement establishes Jesus's identity before describing his actions, offering modern leaders a crucial reminder that who we are fundamentally matters more than what we accomplish. Our leadership flows from our character, not merely our achievements.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when examining John the Baptist, whose leadership exemplifies the principle of "staying in your lane." Despite attracting massive crowds and being mistaken for the Messiah, John maintained crystal-clear focus on his purpose as a signpost pointing to Jesus. His humble declaration that "He must increase, but I must decrease" demonstrates a selflessness rarely seen in leadership today. When team members venture outside their defined roles, the resulting friction damages organizational effectiveness - a practical leadership challenge many still face.
A younger guest brings thoughtful questions about what leadership qualities made John the Baptist effective despite performing no miracles. The ensuing discussion highlights timeless leadership traits: boldness, integrity, presence, truthfulness, and consistency between private actions and public statements. These qualities attract followers more powerfully than charismatic manipulation or flashy performances.
The episode also explores the fascinating history of Bible translation and preservation, drawing connections to the Museum of the Bible in Washington DC. This historical context underscores another leadership principle: meaningful missions often require sacrifice, as demonstrated by countless individuals throughout history who gave their lives to ensure future generations could access these sacred texts.
Whether you're leading a business, ministry, family, or simply seeking to influence others positively, these ancient wisdom principles offer a pathway to more meaningful and sustainable leadership. What areas of your life might benefit from greater clarity about your purpose and role?
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Speaker 2:In that order. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:Can you believe we're not in Luke.
Speaker 2:We did a record Five weeks on one book.
Speaker 1:Five weeks on one book.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we were just skimming the surface.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were. We actually could have probably done three more on it actually easily, easy, easy easy. But yeah, we're going to move into John today, but we're actually doing this a little bit pre-recorded. We're in here on a Monday night just because I have a conflict tomorrow during our show time. I want to make sure that we got this in. I didn't want to delay anything and that explains this other thing that might be sitting in the studio and I say it's thang one, thang one, I've got a thang number one here. Hey, hey.
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Speaker 3:And I finished my homework.
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Speaker 1:Yes, you did all. Right, dr prosy, you have anything that you want to tell us or we want to get into? This, john yeah john let's let's do a. Give us an idea. Idea of what John is right. How's it we got John 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 14, 17. How's?
Speaker 2:this work. So the apostle John, who is one of Jesus' 12 apostles, he actually wrote five books. In the New Testament there's 27 books. He wrote five of them. Okay, so this first one that we read here is the Gospel of John. Now, as we get later, toward the very end of the New Testament, we read 1, 2, and 3 John. Okay, 2 and 3 John are really really short. And then he also wrote the Book of Revelation. So those are the, and then he also wrote the book of Revelation. So those are the five books that the Apostle John wrote.
Speaker 2:I would say that the—now several weeks ago, when we started talking about the book of Matthew, we talked about the synoptic gospels, the synoptic gospels meaning Matthew, mark and Luke, because they're so similar. That's why they call them synoptic gospels. The synoptic gospels meaning Matthew, mark and Luke, because they're so similar. That's why they call them synoptics. The Gospel of John is not part of that because it's a totally different style. It doesn't have some of the same characteristics as Matthew, mark and Luke. So you have Matthew, mark and Luke and then you have the Gospel of John. John, chapter 1 is some of the most especially the very first part some of the most profound words that have ever been written in human history, talking about Jesus and who he was and what he did, and it just had to be God-inspired. And so when we read that, there's a lot of things we could talk about theologically and that's really not the purpose of this podcast. If anyone has any questions about John, chapter 1, please email me at biblicalleadershipshowcom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that one, that one, that one, that one too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that one, and we'll get into a conversation about it, because it's a very profound and meaningful, very deep theological statement about who Jesus is. But today, in our podcast we're coming up on two years now, is about leadership. So what can we learn from John chapter 1? And hopefully we'll get past John chapter 1 today, but we might not. It took us five weeks to get through the gospel of Luke.
Speaker 2:And so we might take five weeks to get through the gospel of John, just because it's so different and so powerful. So this is John's version. He was one of the 12. He was one of the—when Jesus did some things. He would ask Peter, james and John to go with him, and so he was one of the inner three of the people that were close to Jesus, and so he had some experiences that some of the other disciples did not, and he took the time to write down some of his experiences. He says at the very end of his book that if we wrote down everything that Jesus did, the world could not contain the books. So here we have three years of his experience with Jesus, and he writes down some of the highlights of that experience. A significant part of that writing, really starting with John 13, is the very last week. So you have 12 chapters of lessons and stories and teachings about three years of Jesus' life, and so that's how that's built around Now is the three years broken.
Speaker 1:chronological, is it that the one, two, three, or is that just Well? We don't know.
Speaker 2:Some of the stuff we know pretty early, like when John the Baptist came. We see that in John chapter one. And then we have the lesson of Cana in John chapter two, which was Jesus' first miracle. So, yes, some of it's chron, but you have three years basically written down in 12 chapters, and so a lot of things that Jesus did taught were never written down because there was so much to write down. And so John's reflecting years later about how can I tell the story of Jesus, and he picks out those things that he feels are most significant to talk about who Jesus was, why he believes he's the Savior, and he writes those down. And so we have the book of John and it's just a profound writing and a lot we can learn from it.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. That's awesome Do you have any questions you good.
Speaker 3:I did have a question. Yes, do you have any questions. You good, I did have a question, yes, so it's weird, but which one did he write Luke or Revelations first?
Speaker 2:He wrote the Gospel of John first, and then he wrote 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, and then he wrote the very end of his life. He wrote the book of Revelation. And so he was exiled. You know what that means. He was taken away from his home and put to a different place, and while he was in that different place on an island, he had a vision, and that is the book of Revelation. So he wrote that at the very, very end of his life.
Speaker 3:So he wrote like his last, he wrote like his visions down.
Speaker 2:At the very end and it was a vision of the end times and when we get to the book of Revelation, which you know. I don't know when that's going to happen, but we'll eventually get there. There's a lot.
Speaker 1:Might be a couple of years. Yeah, could be, could be.
Speaker 2:But we'll eventually get there and there's just so much that he saw and he wrote down. Some of it's very difficult to explain, but we'll do the best we can and we'll go from there.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, that's awesome Good. All right, let's get into it and talk about John 1, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, john, 1. So yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, it's fine. I was just looking at some of my show prep. I've got you know the verse 1 through 5. It starts talking about the eternal word. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so pretty strong statement there.
Speaker 2:Very powerful statement. And so here is John is identifying who Christ is, not just what he did, not just the miracles. He's talking about who Jesus is and he's basically saying Jesus is God is, and he's basically saying Jesus is God. Okay, so talking about identity. Later he talks about his character, all that stuff, but he really begins his whole book by talking about the identity of Jesus. And so when we talk about leadership, we need to be thinking about, okay, what is my? Is my identity just because of who, what I do, or do I have an identity apart from what I do? Is it just who I am? Is my integrity built on my character? Is it built on my job performance? Is it built on you know, what is my integrity built on? And so John's saying, hey, we could talk about what Jesus did, but we're going to start by talking about who he was or who.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me think how I want to say it. So, basically, jesus was called the Word right, right, it's sort of in a thing right, we could get into the Greek logos and we could get into all that, but he was the Word of God.
Speaker 2:So, yes, that was his. That was Jesus, was the Word, and the Word meaning Jesus became flesh, so Jesus became a human being.
Speaker 1:Would that influence the way that we should perceive? Or listen to Scripture today, if Jesus is the Word, if I'm trying, to go deep right. I was thinking about how that sort of did, because then we were talking about the word. I mean, we always talk about Jesus, the word and the scripture and all that stuff, but is there a deeper meaning? Is where I'm trying to go on this as well.
Speaker 2:I think it's a very deep question, a very profound one, a very relevant one, because, to answer your question, yes. So just think about the Bible, the whole Bible, 66 books, okay. So you think about it and this is the way I look at it. Not everybody looks at it this way, but the way I look at it is the whole thing is the Word of God. I look at it is the whole thing is the Word of God and it's God's love letter to us about how much he loves us.
Speaker 2:And so the question is are we reading it as just like a novel? Are we reading as a history book? Are we actually reading it as something that God is sharing with us? God is sharing His heart with us, and so what John is trying to do is saying hey, God is not just speaking to you through prophets or nature or whatever. No, God actually loves us so much that he became a human being and came down as a To us, because we can see that God loves us that much. And so think about all the other religions in the world, and there are thousands of religions in the world.
Speaker 2:There's many things that distinct Christianity from other religions. The God of Christianity, you know, came down in human form, became a human being, fully God, fully human, and then died for the sins of his creation. So the Creator became equal with his creation—not equal, but he came down to his creation, died for the sins of his creation and wants his creation to be with Him forever, in all eternity. There is no other religion like that on the planet. It never has been, never will be. So that's one of the distinct characteristics of Christianity, and also John begins to discuss that right here in chapter one.
Speaker 1:Yes, ma'am, do you have a question?
Speaker 3:Okay, one. Yes, ma'am, do you have a question? Okay, so when we were in Washington recently, we went to a biblical museum.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Museum of the Bible, yeah.
Speaker 3:And there was like a little section and there's apparently there's like some banned languages that could cause our government trouble if we distincted them. There's like a lot of them, because there were like a whole bunch of languages and they were like cannot do it and then because it's like, banned.
Speaker 1:They had the Bible translated in all the different languages and they showed all the different languages that they miss, that they are missing, and it had, like this whole wall wrapped. It'd go wrap around my training room, had all the different languages translated and it showed the ones that were banned in their countries and they haven't been translated. And if you happen to get a copy or you see a copy, let us know. We'd like to put it in the archives of this museum and stuff.
Speaker 3:And then there's like there's working on it, and then there's like found it, there's working on it, and then there's found it, can't find it?
Speaker 1:Yeah it was pretty impressive and it went through everything. It was actually sort of cool to see that all laid out.
Speaker 3:It took up the entire wall and they had it all built up and then there's just banned, cannot do it. Cause a lot of trouble if they do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly right, so that's a good statement there.
Speaker 3:We were talking about how he becomes flesh and is burned and I thought of that.
Speaker 2:Okay. So there was a man speaking of that many years ago, who wanted to translate the Bible into English. Oh, okay, because it hadn't been translated into English yet. English, okay, because it hadn't been translated in English yet it was in Latin, or it was in Greek, or it was in Hebrew. And he wanted to translate it into English. His name was William Tyndale.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, that was against the authorities of the British government and he was executed because of it. So, over the years of time, over the 2,000 years of the whole Bible being in existence well, the whole Bible wasn't, you know, let's say 2,000 years, let's just put in a rough estimate there have been many people, untold number of people, who have lost their lives to translate the Bible or to bring the Bible to other cultures, and that is just a tragedy upon tragedy that happened. But what an incredible statement of people's faith that that happened. And so let's go back to the Apostle John. Okay, of the 12 apostles that Jesus had, okay, john was the only one who wasn't martyred for his faith. All the other ones were either crucified, beheaded, hanged, something happened to them. John was exiled to the island and there he lived his last days.
Speaker 2:But, all the other ones were killed for their faith.
Speaker 3:What did they try to do? They were just they were.
Speaker 2:No, they didn't do that.
Speaker 2:They were just sharing the message of Jesus, and people didn't like it, and so they arrested them and we read that James was killed and that was John's brother, and so, and we read in the book of Acts that Stephen was killed and he wasn't one of the original 12, but he was one of the seven that we see that was chosen.
Speaker 2:And so people for the last 2,000 years have been willing to die so that we could have the Bible that we have today, and sometimes we forget the tragedy of that history. But we need to remember that when we hold a Bible in our hands, it didn't come to us without cost, and so we think about the countless men and women who are willing to sacrifice their life for the cause of Jesus and to make sure that the next generation would have a Bible. So when you go to the Biblical Museum in Washington DC, the Museum of the Bible, and you see all of that, every single one of those translations that are now the Bible's, translated into hundreds of different languages Someone had to pay a price. They might not have died for it, but they spent years of their life translating the Bible into that language.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've got some statistics I was pulling up here. The complete Bible has been translated into around 756 languages languages. The New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,726 languages 1,726 languages. Smaller portions of the Bible have been translated into 1,274 other languages, and at least some portion of the Bible is available in 3,756 languages.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this wall was really impressive.
Speaker 2:I would think so. I've never been to that museum. Oh, you would love it. I bet it would be amazing.
Speaker 1:Really really.
Speaker 3:They had this thing for kids where every floor had like two stations at least and you'd go to the station and if you had a kid pass you'd scan your kid pass and if you did all the levels you would scan your kid pass, and if you did all the levels you would get a prize for it. Oh, it's a little pin, so it's like an interactive thing. Yes, an interactive thing at the Museum of the.
Speaker 2:Bible. So any of our listeners, if you happen to be in Washington DC, it might be too late right now this year to go, because school has started in most areas. But next summer plan a trip to DC. In addition to seeing the monuments, the Jefferson Memorial, the White House, the Congress, the Supreme Court building, go to the Museum of the Bible, the Smithsonian Institute. I mean it would be incredible. I'd look forward to that next trip.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I highly recommend it. It was pretty fun. What else?
Speaker 3:Even if you live in DC, you can go there and it's still really fun.
Speaker 2:I bet so.
Speaker 3:And if you just keep on looking at stuff, there's always new stuff.
Speaker 2:I bet Whoever put that together just had a vision to teach people about the Bible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was pretty cool and it had some really was pretty cool and it had some really really cool stuff. It had some of the scrolls and stuff, just to see those. They found the containers, they had all the pictures and then they had one of the scrolls. It was in a very long case and they had it all scrolled out, so you can see how they wrote and just kept writing and writing and writing and writing on the Dead Sea Scrolls and stuff.
Speaker 3:It was pretty cool. So there's some really cool stuff in there Some old Bibles from wherever.
Speaker 1:So anyway, last comment on that, and then we got to get back to John.
Speaker 3:I remember there was like this thing where it told you like how you would write, and I took a little quiz and it turns out I'm like a multivariate writer from back then. Okay, nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, writer from back then Okay, nice. Yeah, well, they just wanted to write it down and get it out, you know, and so originally they wrote it down, and then one of the things that really accelerated the Bible being out to people was the printing press, and so once that started being mass produced, it just accelerated people reading the Bible.
Speaker 1:And they showed how to do that. They showed the printing press in there. They showed because you walk into evolution of very beginning and then you keep going through the different stations and it shows you the printing press and you could put letters together and do it yourself.
Speaker 3:And it showed how they do it.
Speaker 1:It was pretty cool to go through the whole thought process of everything.
Speaker 2:All right, so let's get back to. John and we get to, you know, first 14, well, really, the first 18 verses talk about Jesus and the Him becoming flesh, and then we get to an amazing individual named John the Baptist.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay. So we read about John the Baptist at the very beginning of his story. We read in the Gospel of Luke, chapter 1, where Zechariah and Elizabeth were old. Zechariah was a priest. They'd been praying for a child. The angel comes and appears to Zechariah in the temple. They'd been praying for a child. The angel comes and appears to Zechariah in the temple. He says your prayer's going to be answered. He doesn't believe him.
Speaker 2:John the Baptist's father is mute until he's born. When he's named, he starts talking. He said no, his name is John. So now we see this about 30 years later, and John has come on the scene to be a witness to Jesus and he has such a powerful message. But so people, and he wants people to be baptized and just thousands of people are coming to him because there hasn't been a prophet for 400 years and so some of the people are thinking that he is the Messiah. And so we get to a really powerful leadership lesson right here when we talk about John the Baptist. And I'll let you. You ran with that, so I'll just turn it back over to you Tim.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one of the things that we sort of talked about on there is when we were talking sort of pre-show, and everything we sort of talked about on there is, you know, when we were talking sort of pre-show and everything that I sort of came up and prepped that. You know, john the Baptist, I mean, he could have stood out right, and I think that's one of those things that he didn't claim to be a prophet and he very well could have. He could have gave, he could have stepped up and said, oh you know, this Jesus guy is great, but look at me, right, but he didn't, because he knew his lane. You know, and that's one of the things leaderships, you know, leaders know their lane. He knew he wasn't the savior, he was just a signpost.
Speaker 1:I think that's one of the things that struck me, as you know, really, really good, as leaders, you know, you stay rooted in your purpose. If you know your lane, you know what your purpose is. And I look at this. I surround myself with people that know more than me. I don't have to be the ego, I don't have to be the person that has the name on the billboard and all that, the big picture and stuff. I don't care the things like that. You know that isn't what it is. If I can run everything behind the scenes and nobody knows my name, I'm totally okay with that, because we have a goal, we have a purpose and that's one of those things. And sometimes you have to be in the spotlight and you have to be out there. And John the Baptist I think he did, but he was more about being a spotlight for Jesus than he was about being the star, and I think there's a lot too in leadership that you can learn from that and his actions.
Speaker 2:I agree. And at some point, when they're confronting people are asking John the Baptist, and John the Baptist says he meaning Jesus. Jesus must increase and I must decrease. So what a powerful but humble guy. I think what you said earlier, just a few minutes ago, about staying in his lane.
Speaker 2:He knew his lane, he stayed in his lane. He could have easily gone out of his lane and taken a lot of the credit, a lot of the publicity, a lot of the hype, but he knew his lane, he knew that wasn't his role. And let's just go back to leadership. I think and I've had to deal with this, unfortunately, more times than I wanted to, but some of the issues that I've had with employees is they don't stay in their lane.
Speaker 3:And now I'm not against.
Speaker 2:I'm very much for cross-training people, so if someone's out, they can, you know, fill in and those kinds of stuff. But when people don't stay in their lane and you have your accountant try to tell your salesperson how to do their job, or to you know those kinds of things, or you have your you know your PR person telling your this person how to do their job, then that just creates conflict. And so one of the things that we can do as leaders is to be sure that people stay in their lane and they know what their lane is. They know what the boundaries are. Sometimes there's a little bit of gray area in between. Okay, but when someone gets way out of their lane and they do that continually, then in my opinion, a good leader confronts that and holds those people accountable to stay in their lane, because when people are out of their lane, it just creates conflict on the team and it's not productive at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's real important. Did you have a question?
Speaker 3:Yeah, how did? Jesus didn't perform John, sorry, john didn't perform miracles, yet crowds follow him.
Speaker 1:Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2:What did you say?
Speaker 1:It says Jesus, go ahead and say it again.
Speaker 3:John didn't perform miracles, you mean.
Speaker 2:Jesus didn't perform miracles, no, john.
Speaker 3:John. John didn't perform miracles, but yet crowds still followed him.
Speaker 2:Because he was a powerful preacher and he was calling people to repent and they hadn't had someone be a powerful prophet for 400 years. So they were looking for the Messiah. They thought that he might be the Messiah. When he was asked are you the Messiah? He said no, I'm not. I'm not even good enough to tie the sandals of the one that's coming after me. But my job is like your dad said I am the signpost. My job is to point you to that one who's coming after me.
Speaker 1:Right, and I think that's that's an important point you know she brings up. You know, he, he, he, he was just a powerful presence, right, he was speaking the word, he was a signpost, he knew that. You know what he was, what his lane was, what he was trying to accomplish, and I think that's a good question there.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. One more, okay, so I have a two-part question. Okay so both of you are going to answer for this one because it's a personal question on your opinions.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:What leadership traits do you think John had to have crowds attracted to him? What leadership traits, what do you all think?
Speaker 2:That's a great question yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I think he had to have a presence to him. He didn't have to be strong with his words, but he had to be good because he was a preacher right. So he had to have powerful words. He had to have some information that the message had to get out to draw people in. So what do you think, dr B I?
Speaker 2:think for him. He was bold and he had integrity.
Speaker 2:So, people knew he was living his message, and so integrity to me means that whatever you do, you're consistent and what you say you're going to do, you actually do, and whatever you do in private, you don't mind people knowing in public. So there's nothing going to be embarrassing about it. John was just a man with incredible integrity, but he was bold because he believed in his mission. Okay, so I think those are some of the leadership principles that he had, and unfortunately, his life was cut short, you know, because he was bold in his, in his pronouncement of of what he thought was right and wrong, and it cost him his life, but it didn't waver because of the consequences. And I think sometimes a weak leader, you see something coming down the road that might cause some problems and you start wavering, and John never wavered, and I just think that is a really good lesson.
Speaker 1:Did you say you had two parts to that?
Speaker 3:I was like, I have my own personal opinion on it, so I wanted to say my own yeah.
Speaker 2:so what is your thinking?
Speaker 3:So I think he had honesty and I think he also had this sort of presence. Like my dad said, he also probably was truthful and he had a lot of friends, I assume. I agree with you and I assume he didn't tell lies to get his own way. I assume he only told truth, even when it was going to get somebody else in trouble.
Speaker 2:Even when it was going to get him in trouble too. He was willing to tell the truth, and those are great leadership principles. Very good job, thank you.
Speaker 3:Very good job.
Speaker 2:Thank you, wow. Well, we might as well. So we come to the end of chapter one, and so one of these at the very end we see some of John's disciples begin to follow Jesus, and John was fine with that because he knew the purpose wasn't for people to follow him.
Speaker 2:The purpose was for people to follow Jesus, and so I've seen this happen and it's not good. I'm sure it happens in business too. But if you have a leader who is going to step aside because a new person is coming up, then they need to step aside. Because a new person is coming up, then they need to step aside. They don't need to be involved in trying to go behind the new leader's back or this or that. They need to turn all of that over to the new person. And I know for us, one of our rules was that once we left a church, we weren't supposed to go back there for two years, and that was a hard rule.
Speaker 1:A hard rule.
Speaker 2:A very hard rule, but the reason was is what you wanted? To give the new pastor an opportunity to become the leader, and if you were always going back and talking to people, then you didn't give the new person a chance to step up to that leadership role. So it was hard. We dealt with that our entire lives. But I see the value in doing that and so good leaders, I think when it's time to leave, they leave Okay.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Speaking of leaving, let's leave, john. I'm telling you and let's just ask you a question. Okay, what do you call the fear of giants?
Speaker 3:The fear of giants, giophobia.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 3:Feefiphobia. I have a fear of spiders, a fear of spiders. I know there's a name for that.
Speaker 2:Is that what it is? It's not called spiderphobia. No, okay, ready I am ready, what do you? Got.
Speaker 3:When is music like vegetables? When is music like vegetables?
Speaker 2:When is music like vegetables, yep.
Speaker 3:Don't know when you dance to the beat.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, what is the?
Speaker 3:medical diagnosis for someone who owns too many dogs.
Speaker 2:Dog lover, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know Rover dose.
Speaker 3:How do turtles talk to each other?
Speaker 2:How do they talk to each other? I?
Speaker 3:don't know, by using shell phones.
Speaker 1:By using shell phones by using shell phones. All right, what else you got? What do you call?
Speaker 3:a belt made of watches.
Speaker 1:What'd you say? A ticking time bomb?
Speaker 2:What do you call a belt made of watches? Oh, hold on, I just saw this the other day. A waste of time. Yay, okay, all right.
Speaker 1:One more out of Ochevia and we're getting out of here Letting the people go 30 seconds left.
Speaker 3:Posey first.
Speaker 1:Me first oh.
Speaker 2:Oh Okay. What does a baby computer call its father?
Speaker 3:A datager.
Speaker 2:That's very close. That's good Data Nice.
Speaker 1:All right, what's the last one? You got the last one there.
Speaker 3:What do you call a pod of musical whales?
Speaker 2:A pod of musical whales. A pod of musical whales. Ooh that's a good one. I haven't heard that one before.
Speaker 3:I don't know what An orchestra An orchestra.
Speaker 2:That's good.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you guys for joining us today. Check us out at biblicalleadershipshowcom. Do you remember how to take us out? Biblicalleadershipshowcom. Do you remember how to take us out? Alisa? She's like dang it, I could have. I can't remember. I think I do. What do you think?
Speaker 3:Have a great, make it a good day Pretty close, right, make it a great day, make it a great day.
Speaker 1:All right guys? Thank you, appreciate you and we will talk to you next week. Thank you guys. Bye.
