Leadership Lessons From 1 Corinthians;

What if your team copied your habits for a year—would you like the result? We dive into 1 Corinthians to tackle the leadership traps that still derail organizations today: personality-driven factions, fuzzy decision rights, performative authority, and freedom misused as license. Paul’s letters offer a sharper way forward—authority redefined as stewardship, character strong enough to imitate, and love as the engine of trust.

We start with Corinth’s chaos—competing loyalties and ego—and pull out the modern parallels you’ll recognize in boardrooms and staff meetings. Then we map Paul’s solution: push decisions to the lowest competent level, set lanes so people know what is theirs to own, and measure leadership not by volume but by fruit. You’ll hear why imitation is the quiet audit of credibility, how to build honest feedback loops that act like a coaching video for your habits, and where “freedom” becomes maturity that seeks the good of others.

From the “one body, many parts” model to the overlooked signals of excellence—clean restrooms, joyful greetings, tidy showrooms—we make the small things visible and strategic. And we anchor it all in the famous love chapter, reframing love as practical care: the ingredient that turns competence into commitment, and authority into trust. By the end, you’ll have a playbook to align roles, raise standards, and lead with a steady character people want to follow.

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SPEAKER_02: 0:12

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Yeah, uh-huh, yeah. That's already welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. Hey, Tim, how you doing? Hey, welcome to an exciting episode of the Biblical Leadership Show. My name is Tim Lansford. And I'm Dr. Dean Posey. Dr. Dean Posey. How are you doing? I am doing fantastic. How are you doing today? Well, I am hanging in there. Episode 106 today. 106.

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I know. We were doing Wolfman last week, you know. Hey, 106.1, the dog that rocks. It's actually funny because the way I have this episode saved. It's episode 106, but then it goes 1 Corinthians. 106.1 Corinthians. 10.6 1 Corinthians. The dog that rocks.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15

It's pretty funny. Well, we are getting to 1 Corinthians today. We are. My goodness. We're getting to about the middle of the New Testament. That's really exciting. So episode 106. Right. Thank you for those of you who've been listening from the very beginning. And thank you for those of you who are there for the very first time. Right. And so we're glad to have you. Uh this show. We focus on a couple of things. Number one, we focus on uh some leadership principles from every book in the Bible. Today we are on First Corinthians. We started about a year and a half ago with the book of Genesis, going through every book of the Bible. Sometimes it takes us uh one week to do a book, sometimes it takes us a month to do a book. But uh we try to focus, do some deep dives on some leadership principles that you can use in your daily life. And we've got some good ones today from the Apostle Paul here in First Corinthians.

SPEAKER_00: 2:07

Right. So um Yeah. And and then that's one of the things we we sometimes take verses, sometimes we take full books, sometimes we uh take the entire book. We're exactly right. And then we throw in some dad jokes. Dad jokes, I know. Everybody's dad jokes, dad, dad. Well, I hope you enjoy the dad jokes because we enjoy the dad jokes, but we really do. We really do. And and we think it's a part and part of uh uh who we are to have fun with a dad joke. So uh it makes us smile, it makes us fun prepping for the dad jokes. I know my my kids bring me dad jokes, I know your kids bring me dad jokes. Yes, and they regret it. They buy you tons and stuff. They do. We've got about 4,000 dad jokes on this side of the table. You would be really impressed with what what we got going on as dad jokes, at least on that side of the table. I've got uh I've got a few little dad jokes down there. So that's really good. But uh, you know, Christmas presents this year, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 3:07

So Yeah, that's exactly right. So so let's just start out by uh a comment and then we'll tie this in to the scripture. And here's a here is a a quote you can think about. You were made for more than just making a living. Right. You were made for making a difference.

SPEAKER_00: 3:27

Yeah, 100%. I agree with that. 100%.

SPEAKER_02: 3:30

Yeah, so you're not here just to make a living, you're here to make a difference. And so as a leader, uh, whether that's leader of a big company, small company, maybe just your family. The the question is, do your people know that? Right. Does your family know that? You're here to make a difference. Um, for those of us who choose to be Christ's followers, we're making a difference for the kingdom of God. Uh, whatever profession, you might be a plumber, you might be a teacher, you might be a professional musician. The question is, are you making a difference for the kingdom of God? And and so uh let's talk about uh first Corinthians, because uh, as I said last week, um these letters of Paul, and if you're not familiar with the New Testament, Paul was an early disciple of Jesus who was a just say a Christian hater who had a significant transformation experience in Acts chapter 9, and uh then he became uh the greatest missionary in the first century, and we still read his letters today. So the letters that are in the New Testament, they're written by Paul, uh, are responses to challenges, issues, difficulties that we're having in the churches that he helped start. So here in 1 Corinthians, um, this letter is not written in a vacuum. Uh it's written in because there was some conflict between some people. We see that in the very first chapter. There's some tensions, divisions, confusion. And um some of those uh is what leaders face today. Um, and but Paul is writing in response to those questions and concerns, and so um we have his response. We don't necessarily have the questions, but by reading his response, we can pretty much get an idea of what those concerns were.

SPEAKER_00: 5:22

So uh the one of the things I I did through show prep, Corinth was a city.

SPEAKER_02: 5:27

Yes, Corinth was a big city, a big city, big city, a big city, very important city in ear, you know, in early Greece. Yes. For a long, long time. I mean, not just uh, you know, up and down, but it was there for a long, long time. Very powerful city, uh wealthy city, strategic city, influential city. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 5:45

Okay. Yeah. Awesome.

SPEAKER_02: 5:46

So Paul went there. We read that uh in the book of Acts. He starts a church in a in a very non-Christian environment. Okay. Um part of the challenge was some of the uh Greek uh culture, religions um were kind of infiltrating their Christian beliefs, and so they were struggling because they had grown up non-Christians, and now Paul was uh helping them become uh Christians. And so the question is how do they live that out considering the history that they have now with a new uh let's just say a new dynamic in their life or a new faith. And so that was Paul's challenge. I think he faced it very well. Doesn't mean that he solved all the issues, but uh there were some significant uh things that he wrote. And in fact, he wrote two letters because there was a lot of issues that he wanted to address. And these were wrote to the church, is that correct? That is correct. And so what would happen is he would write the letter. Uh some letters he wrote uh from prison, some letters he just wrote while he was traveling, uh, and then they were taken to the particular church, and uh one of the church leaders would actually normally gather. Now we're not talking about normally at this time hundreds and hundreds of people like we think of a church today. Uh there might have been 50 people, there might have been 20 people. Uh, we don't really know how many people, but it's not hundreds back then. It was it might have been a couple of dozen. So they would gather the church, and and churches didn't meet in like big sanctuaries like they have today or even modern small sanctuaries. They met in people's homes. And and so, and there could have been more than one uh location, uh several house churches as they would call them, um, but they would gather them together, and then someone, an elder or one of the leaders of the church, would actually read the letter from Paul. And if there was more than one location, they'd go to the other house and read the letter from Paul. So so that's how these letters got communicated to the people.

SPEAKER_00: 7:51

Aaron Powell Well, two questions there. Yeah. Were there multiple people that wrote letters? Uh I mean, just saying they might not have made it in the Bible or whatever. Were there a lot of people that, is that how they communicated? And second question, when did sort of we start doing the mass, you know, congregation and churches and everything like that? I was just sort of curious.

SPEAKER_02: 8:10

Aaron Powell That's a really good question. So m a lot of times one of the church leaders would, you know, deal with the issues and then a church leader or leaders would get together and write a letter to Paul. We don't know how that happened at all the occasions, but that's uh m scholars think that that's kind of how it happened. Now, as far as when did churches become rather large, okay, for a long time churches met in homes. They didn't have sanctuaries, they didn't have auditoriums, they didn't have that. So for long, long time, uh you know, a long time, hundreds of years, uh they met in homes, then um, then like it says in the book of Acts, chapter two, uh the end of the chapter, uh, verse 42, that they would meet in homes on a daily basis or sometimes a week, and then they would gather together once a week to celebrate maybe the Lord's Supper or sing songs or something or have some teaching. So, but for um a large part of the history of Christendom, and still today, especially in um Korea and other churches, they still have a big influence of house churches. And so they st they still meet on a Sunday, um, but the main focus is what happens during the week in houses. And so they get that from the Bible. Um, and we read in the book, in several of the books of Paul, that he is saying, Um, please say hi to the people in the church in your home. And that's how we know that those that's what that's what happened. So they would get the issues that the people were dealing with, um, and then they would write Paul a letter and he would respond. And we have his response. We don't have those original letters. So that's how that worked. That would have been interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 10:00

Yeah, exactly right.

SPEAKER_02: 10:01

Exactly right. But he was dealing with real issues. We deal with real issues today in the church. I mean, and so let's just, I mean, the very first chapter, uh, we're talking about division because of some ego issues.

SPEAKER_00: 10:14

Yeah, I guess Paul says, you know, uh, I appeal to you. There'll be no divisions among you, right? Yeah, I think that's one of the opening things for talking about.

SPEAKER_02: 10:23

And he names it immediately. And and and the reason um these aren't theological divisions, uh, they're personal, they're they're ego uh driven, you know. And um one people say, Well, I follow Paul, I follow Paulus, I follow Cephas, which is Peter. Um, and so there was just some, you know, who who's really in charge. And as um as I was I've said many times, maybe not on this podcast, but um in in public and in private, decisions have to be made. Uh, you know, in any team, any company, family, whatever, decisions have to be made. So uh a lot of times the disagreement is not about the fact that a decision has to be made. The division is who gets to make the decision. Right. Okay. And so it seems to me that if we read in between the lines, there was some issue, not about decisions being made. It's gonna be whose house are we gonna meet at, or who's gonna do this, who's gonna it's like who gets to make those decisions. And that could be where the um where the challenge was. So think about that in your own business. If you're making a decision, a lot of times when I was a pastor and I did that for 45 years, I tried to push the decision down to the lowest level possible. And if there was an issue with that, then okay, come to me and we'll talk about it. But I didn't want to make all the decisions. I I just didn't. I don't think you're training your people, you're not bringing confidence in them. Um, but we need to be sure that people don't step outside their lane, right? That they make a decision that's really someone else's decision to make. And sometimes that happens. And my thinking is just reading between the lines, maybe I'm overstepping it, is maybe that's what was happening here in Corinth, is that somebody was supposed to make a decision that us someone else made. And so there was some conflict about, oh, I was supposed to do this and you did it, and you know, we don't know, but that that could have been a possibility.

SPEAKER_00: 12:24

Yeah, and that's one of the things on leadership, you know, when when leaders become the point, when they become the the sole focus, you know, and you've heard it many times, you know, people don't leave organizations because they hate the mission, behate, hate the company, it's usually their direct leader uh that sort of does it, you know, and that's one of the things we we need to focus on.

SPEAKER_02: 12:44

Yeah, so Paula is saying, Hey, um I'm not, I'm not, you don't need to focus on me. You don't need to focus on Paula. We are all servants. Um, we need to see each other as servants, we don't need to see each other as better than one another. Um and so y'all need to work that out, but there doesn't need to be any conflict over this. You don't need to stay in your lane, assign who gets to do what, and then go out and do that.

SPEAKER_00: 13:11

Right. And then we roll into uh the chapter four through six, and and we're chapter four, uh Paul sort of redefines authority, right? Um he talks about you know how we how how you regard us, you know, and as servants of Christ, and and and he talks about that that uh authority isn't scripture, it's it's it's stewardship, right?

SPEAKER_02: 13:35

It's stewardship, yes. And and so you're stewarding your business, you're stewarding your family, you're stewarding your church, you're stewarding whatever, and and it's not dominance, it's not I'm better than you, I'm you know, I'm you know pushing you down with my thumb. No, it's stewardship, you know. Um, and so how you um look at your role as a leader uh really does whether you say it or not, it communicates to your people. Um are you an a you know, authoritarian? Are are you you know a servant? Are you a servant leader? What kind of leader are you? And your people, they know from your actions, not your words, from your actions, they know exactly right um what that is.

SPEAKER_00: 14:24

And that's sort of always been my thing. Leadership sort of always represents something bigger than the leader, right? There's a there's a presence, there's a there's a bigger overall goal than just the leader, and that's that's where leadership, if if you're a true leader and you're a good leader and you can represent that, um, boy, you know, it's that's how that's how you uh go to the next level in leadership.

SPEAKER_02: 14:46

Yes, and so I wanted to um uh say something about chapter four, because I think there's a really, really powerful um uh lesson in uh chapter four, uh verse seventeen. So I'm just gonna read verse 17. A lot of principles there in verse 17, but I'm just gonna focus on one, and that might lead to some more. So this is what Paul said. Um so he is dealing with some issues. He's gonna send Timothy to them so he can be a spokesperson. Timothy was a young man that Paul met on one of his journeys. Uh Timothy became a Christian and then was a follower and a disciple of Paul. But this is what he says. Yeah. Just saying. Just saying. Okay, so here's verse 17, chapter 4, 1 Corinthians, chapter 4, verse 17. It says, That is why I send you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church. And so this is the principle I get from that is that a leader is someone you want to imitate. Okay, he's saying, Hey, imitate not me, but imitate the Christ in me. Imitate my the way I live my Christian life. Um and so the leadership principles is what whatever you're leading, the people around you should want to imitate you, imitate your thoughts, imitate your words, imitate your actions. Um, and your actions speak so much louder than your words. And so you could say one thing and do another. They're not gonna imitate you, they're not gonna want to follow you. If you do that for very long, they're gonna want to leave, and you're gonna wonder why am I losing all these people? It's maybe because you're not a person that they want to imitate.

SPEAKER_00: 16:41

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 16:41

Um, you you say one thing, you do another. And and Paul was saying, uh, no, uh, what I say is what I do. Um and and I just encourage you to imitate the way I live my life. And and so I'm thinking, think about your own self. Um, whatever leadership role you have, maybe you're you're in a business for yourself, you know. If you brought on a person and you trained them and they imitated you every day for the next year or two as an apprentice, then at the end of that apprenticeship time in one or two years, would you have the employee that you want to have? Or you're thinking, ooh, no, because I do this, or you know, because I don't do this well. And so I need to change what I do so that even though I might not have another person on my payroll, I'm I'm a person that someone is willing to imitate. And uh I just think that's a good principle to think about. Paul was saying, hey, obviously there's some arguing among you, there's some disagreement among you, there's some things that are not healthy among you, there's some immorality uh with you, there's some things like that. Uh, y'all examine it, go look in the mirror and and think, are you worth imitating? And um, and not to be condemning, but to challenge them to step up and lead the life that they're called to lead.

SPEAKER_00: 18:13

So yeah. I like it. All right, chapters eight through ten.

SPEAKER_02: 18:19

Well, let's go back one more principle, yeah. And and that is um that you can't lead people where your character doesn't go.

SPEAKER_00: 18:28

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 18:28

Right. And so if your character doesn't motivate people, uh then it's gonna be very, very difficult to lead them. It just it just is. So um anyway, yeah, chapter eight through ten.

SPEAKER_00: 18:44

Yeah, I was looking back through my show notes there to see what I have on on there. So all right, so eight through ten, what we talk about on this. I I know we get into the word freedom a lot in that that area, right?

SPEAKER_02: 18:58

Yes, and uh, and so freedom um doesn't mean that you can do anything you want, there's no boundaries. That uh that's not what that means.

SPEAKER_00: 19:08

Um talk about freedom as responsibility, I think, right?

SPEAKER_02: 19:11

Yes, correct. And and maturity. Okay. Um and and maturity means different things to different people. Um but you're thinking uh a maturity as someone who is consistent, um, who um it's shows up to work on time, does their work, um, helps other people do their work um and does it with excellence.

SPEAKER_00: 19:37

Yeah. Just because you can doesn't mean that you should, you know. That's one of the things.

SPEAKER_02: 19:43

That is really well said. Yeah. It really is. And I think that's uh you understand freedom. Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should do it, right? Right. Yeah. I think that's really, really a good statement. Um yeah. Yeah. So yeah, impact. So it Paul understands. understands um influence uh is is you're always affecting other people. Yeah for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 20:08

It's what you're doing when nobody's watching. Right. Because that's ultimately your what you're gonna see when people are watching because then it becomes second nature to you.

SPEAKER_02: 20:21

Correct. And so um let's just take today. Okay, before I came in studio, I am taking a master swim class. I think I took I talked about that last week but or two weeks ago. A couple weeks ago. Yeah and uh it's at Texas Wesley University. Uh we meet um Monday, Wednesday Friday at nine o'clock nine to ten. And uh the coach there um his it was uh swimmer in college uh trethlon uh guy when he was young and he's been coaching swimming for like 25 years and and one of the things that um I learned to today was that when I was turning my head to breathe, I was dropping my arm, my extended arm. I didn't I had no idea that I was doing that. I had no idea uh because you don't normally video yourself but he said you know but one of the assistant coaches was there today um Lisa and and she said I'm gonna video you and I'm gonna send you the video so you can see what you're doing and and um and so she sent me the video and sure enough you know I'm dropping my arm maybe a foot um which you think what's the big deal well when you drop your arm too soon it slows you down a lot of drag a lot of drag and and I'm thinking okay I need to improve that which you know I've been doing that way for my whole life so it's really hard you have to think about it but I'm thinking okay if someone held a mirror up to you and your leadership style or does it just say your tone of voice or how you evaluate people or how you encourage people or don't encourage people if someone held a mirror up to you what would that show well to me they held up I mean videotape me today not to criticize me but so I could get better. And and so the question is how can you do whatever you do better you know and and sometimes as leaders we don't have anybody to evaluate us. We might do evaluations you know quarterly half year evaluations of other people but we don't have other people evaluating us and so there's got to be a way to think okay how can I evaluate my performance how can I evaluate my leadership so that I can get better okay might be a small tweak maybe it's my tone of voice maybe it's I don't communicate accurately like we talked about last week how can I get better and so um you know I would encourage you to seek out places ways that you as a leader can improve in one thing and I tell you if I get this arm thing down um I know it's gonna it's it's gonna make seconds off it's gonna cut seconds off my 100 meter which right now is way slow. Maybe minutes I doubt it yeah I can have minutes minutes is what I do for 100 meters.

SPEAKER_00: 23:19

But um you know they just hey one thing at a time you're getting in the pool and for some reason when you're swimming you're sinking yeah yeah uh get up off the bottom are you walking on the bottom of the pool. Just practicing my holding my breath you know it's a funny story um um I don't even know if I've ever told it on this but uh in college I was the butterfly intramural champion. Oh my goodness it was pretty uh pretty insane no no dad joke or anything it's like literally nobody signed up so I'm like I'll do it I did it by by the end of going back and forth back and forth I was literally under the water just swimming under the water still doing the motions but I made it to the other end so I actually got the I just uh I started out strong and I was a strong guy I just wasn't a good swimmer but that was pretty tough the butterfly for me is is a challenge and those people that can do that stroke I'm gonna have to use that in a lot of coordination I got to blend that into a keynote because I mean that's that's that's big time right so yes you should because you know it takes a lot of skill and talent practice to get those things right swimmer I just nobody did it I could do it right I enjoy it I'm not that good at it you know but I want to get I'm not gonna be great I just want to get better you know I want it to be so when I get out of the water after swimming a mile or so I'm not tired you know because my stroke is smooth uh my breathing is accurate I glide through the water instead of fighting the water and I know that's just gonna take hours and hours of practice but I'm willing to do that just because I want to get better at it. I never was a swimmer I just I just never got into swimming. But underwater swimming I could swim back and forth links a pool hold my breath for 45 seconds and just go and and uh I was really good at that but um just not swimming never sort of took on so all right so okay let's get to chapter 12.

SPEAKER_02: 25:20

12 uh this is pretty good uh chapter it talks about uh leadership and one of the biggest things the body is one but has many parts yeah so Paul uses this imagery a lot in um in his writings that the body is made up of many parts just like our human body and every part is valuable and so the question is does each person know what part they play in a bigger picture okay so if for example if you have uh five people um okay or let's just take a let's just say we're in a football season right now we're almost in the end of the football season we are you know but let's just say you have your team on the field you got 11 people okay what if your tight end said no I'm gonna play guard this this time you know um well that would throw everybody off because they're in the wrong position they're doing the wrong thing if the left guard would say no I'm gonna be a tight end this time you know um it's gonna throw everybody off and so the question is do your people know what part they play in the bigger picture and sometimes it's important even if it's once a year to get the team together to make sure every person knows the value they have in the big scheme of things. You know they might be on an assembly line making springs for a widget okay but they might not realize if that spring isn't made right the widget is going to be useless. I don't know if they if they're just doing a job or do they understand a bigger picture of what they're doing. So Paul is saying hey every person is important because every body part is important. If if that body part wasn't important God would have never made it you know so even if you think of yourself as a little finger okay um that that's important in in the the whole body um and he says so don't try to be if you're an eye don't try to be an ear you know if you're a hand don't try to be a nose so you need to understand your role um but he is so he basically saying everybody's important in the big picture.

SPEAKER_00: 27:42

Yeah I think that that was great when I was doing pre-show I saw that verse I'm I'm definitely gonna take that verse and blend it into some of my keynotes because it it's a huge thing that every little section of your body has a part to make it operate the way it's do you know designed to do.

SPEAKER_02: 27:59

So yeah so let's just take it from a church point of view. Okay. And uh and and so as a pastor uh you know I'm very familiar with that but let's just say if you're a person uh maybe not the pastor but maybe you're yeah very involved in the church I can tell you from research and experience if you're wanting to attract new people to a church and I've never met a church that didn't want to attract new people of all ages. Yeah but if you want to attract new people of any age there's two things you have to focus on as far as your building is concerned. Now there's ministry issues but your building you got to focus on two things. Number one, you need to be sure your bathrooms are impeccably clean okay number two you need to be sure that your nursery is impeccably clean and staffed with grateful, joyful people because if you have a family comes in and you walk in and you know they need to go to the restroom and they see a dirty restroom that right there will give them impression of your church. If you walk in and they have a child and they take them to the nursery and the nursery's dirty or the the nursery workers are grumpy high probability they will never come back to your church. And and so those two things right there I would just say what about your business okay um you know we go into a restaurant and this is happens more frequently than I care to mention you go to a restaurant whatever it may be and you go to a fast food restaurant you go up to the counter okay and the person waiting on you is grumpy you know it's like I don't even know if I want to eat here today. Now so many restaurants are going to the touch screen thing you have to order but then you walk up to get your food and it's like sometimes they feel like you know they wish they were home or something. And so so the question would be are your people you know serving with joy? Are they serving with a smile on their face? Or are then is your restaurant clean? Um is your is your shop clean? Is your showroom clean?

SPEAKER_00: 30:07

Those kind of things door yeah if I go to a restaurant the front door is a mess no I'm gonna probably turn around and leave.

SPEAKER_02: 30:17

Yeah and so those little things that you might not see and people who've been in a church a long time they might not see those things but I can tell you a first time visitor sees every single one of them. And so you know you might have the uh worn out pews or you might have a a building that's not not new and shiny but if you've got clean restrooms and a great nursery and you have people that are smiling and welcoming and joyful I tell you that goes a long long way in attracting people. And so you've got to make sure that your priorities are right. You can't have an impeccably clean building and grumpy people that that just ruins everything. And and so Paul was saying those people who are responsible for certain things make sure that they do them. If you're the foot you're not supposed to do what the hand's supposed to do right but you need to be sure and in a church or in a business you need to be sure that everybody understands what their role is and make sure that they do it well.

SPEAKER_00: 31:21

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 31:22

And to uh wrap up we have you know 13 here on my show notes which talks about the love chapter what's what's that about well you know I would think of all the words that were ever written in the in language okay yeah chapter 13 of 1 Corinthians is perhaps one of the most profound um words that have ever been written in human history um it's just absolutely profound about the power of love um it's used in so many weddings whether people are Christians or not um it's quoted a lot um it is just an incredible um thing and so let's just talk about leadership um you might not use the word love okay in your business but do you do the do your people know that you care about them right yeah and as as uh Robert Schuler used to say people don't know we don't really care how much you know until you they know how much you care and so do your people know that you really care about them and if they know that you really care about them um that's gonna go a long way into building trust um and unity in your organization yeah 100% competence without love creates followers but it doesn't create the trust that that leaders can you repeat that because that is really good yeah competence without love creates followers but not the trust that leaders desire you know yeah so you've got to have that you got to build it and the way you build trust is to show people that you care.

SPEAKER_00: 33:04

Yeah because it's about you know how people experience the getting their part right you know or they they feel like they're they're part of a team uh because you know leadership is it's it's all about the team it's all about empowering people to make decisions and and uh be one you know with everybody so that's really good so so that's it uh now let's get to some dad jokes some dad jokes what so you know here in Texas we don't have a lot of you're a custom home builder you've been doing that for 30 years I bet you don't build a lot of homes with basements.

SPEAKER_02: 33:36

I don't not in Texas not in Texas but which makes me very sad in our home we have an incredible basement um and I hope it makes the New York Times bestseller list. It just fell right into that one trying to give you the the things I keep talking about I I'm gonna make an I don't have a pen right here I got to put a gong on there that would have been a gong moment you know my wife and I went out to dinner last night uh just because we wanted to and I ordered duck man the bill was huge that's pretty pretty good one I like that one oh you got any you got any dad jokes for us oh I mean I hadn't even looked I was just thinking axe throwing the whole time so much oh my gosh yes we did some axe throwing yeah that was so much fun uh we have an indoor axe throwing thing here in the studio took it to a friend's house last week oh my gosh we had so so much fun we had so much fun oh yeah that's always a good uh uh that's always good when the the the axe throwing we've talked about it going to the actual axe throwing and we we actually uh I brought in an uh you know an axe throwing place in the studio here and we had fun doing that the other day and and um yeah and so we were talking uh we were did some exercise dad jokes last week so I got one more that I didn't get to last week so um what kind of workout do sheep do together?

SPEAKER_00: 35:21

Hmm I got nothing Zumba Zumba all right hey what do you keep from uh how what do you use to keep your ig from falling off keep my wig from falling off my ig I don't know your IG what do you keep my egg to keep your ig from I don't know Igloo Igloo that's my contribution to dad jokes today all right one more give us one more nah you got one more um yeah I you know I crossed a four leaf clover with poison ivory ivy no that too that too I crossed a four leaf clover with poison ivy and got a rash of good luck oh nice well I was just itching to tell somebody gotta get that one in okay so we got maybe one more oh if if you okay here here's this is not necessarily a joke okay but it's just a statement I thought I'd make at the end of the show.

SPEAKER_02: 36:32

Okay ships don't sink because of the water around them ships sink because of the water that gets in them right don't let what's happening around you get inside of you and weigh you down. That's true. Yeah so there we go and uh that's not a dad joke but I just thought you know sometimes with the pressures of life yeah we especially the first of the year yeah and so we have all these stuff and it just gets inside of us and it just weighs us down.

SPEAKER_00: 37:08

Halfway through you know people most of the time you know everybody's dropped their gym memberships by now they're they're feeling the stress of spending too much over the holidays and there's a whole bunch of stuff. So yeah prayers to everybody out there.

SPEAKER_02: 37:21

So well I attempted to exercise this morning but didn't work out.

SPEAKER_00: 37:26

No didn't work out all right all right man other than that guys thank you for joining us check us out biblicalleadershipshow.com come back and uh talk to us a little bit next week where and we're gonna get into Second Corinthians 2nd Corinthians some more letters other than that guys uh have a great rest of your week uh until we meet and talk next week uh take us out run make it a great day guys