Leading Through Drift And Doubt

Hebrews 6 can stop you mid-sentence. It’s one of those passages that forces real questions about drifting, maturity, and what happens when someone has had genuine spiritual exposure and still chooses to walk away. We sit with that tension without turning it into a two-verse slogan, because leadership and faith both break down when we build our whole worldview on clipped lines instead of the full story of Scripture and redemption.

We also connect the warning in Hebrews to what we see every day in leadership: people don’t usually quit in a single moment, they drift. Sometimes it’s burnout, sometimes it’s bitterness, sometimes it’s just a slow loss of joy. We talk through practical leadership habits that protect focus and reduce chaos, like batching phone calls, setting clear response windows, and putting responsibility back on the person who says they “need” a meeting. Healthy time management is not about being unavailable; it’s about being present on purpose.

Then we bring it home with leadership principles pulled straight from the tone of Hebrews itself. We explore the difference between perfection and direction, and why accountability works best when it’s paired with hope. Bad leadership avoids correction, harsh leadership corrects without hope, and biblical leadership corrects with purpose. We close with Hebrews’ anchor imagery and ask the question leaders hate to dodge: what actually anchors your life and your business when the pressure hits?

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Transcript

Welcome And Dad Jokes Warmup

SPEAKER_00 0:34

How are we doing? I'm doing fantastic. This is Dr. Dean Posey. And with me, my co-host in crime is uh Tim Lansford. And welcome to the Biblical Leadership Show. Well, thanks. This is episode 123. And so for those of you who are new to the show, thank you for tuning in today. We've been doing this almost, well, gosh, this uh year, this September will be like three years. Three years. And um, if you have never listened to us before um and uh heard any of our dad jokes, just you just let you're gonna have a great uh next 35 minutes. Um but uh the whole purpose of our show is to talk about scriptural and biblical things. Right now we're going through the Bible, uh book by book, um and talking about the leadership principles within those books or chapters. Um and we started with Genesis back in August of 24. We're now on the book of Hebrews in the New Testament. Um, and we are focused on chapter six today, maybe six and seven, but probably just six. And there's some significant issues that have been, let's just say, controversial over time. Yeah, it makes people stop and ask some serious questions. Yeah, and I think there's some biblical, uh there's some leadership principles that I believe can become from specifically chapter four, five, and six. I mean verses four, five, and six. Yeah. Um, and but in addition to that, in addition to talk about the Bible and leadership, we also throw in some dad jokes. Dad jokes. Some are groaners and some are worse than that. So just be ready. Yeah. So so what happens when a microscope clashes to a telescope?

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I don't know.

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They kaleidoscope.

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Oh, that was almost a groaner.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

It was almost a groaner. Here's a groaner, but it's so old. This one is so old, uh, but it's worth repeating. Can a kangaroo jump higher than a house?

SPEAKER_02 2:41

Oh size of the house.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Of course, because a house can't jump. Oh, oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Uh, let's see.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

You're gonna see, you got some dad jokes?

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Well, I was trying to see if I had any. Why does nobody talk to circles?

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Why does no one talk to circles? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Because it's hard to see the point.

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Oh my goodness.

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That's a groaner.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Okay. How do you impress a female baker?

SPEAKER_02 3:21

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

You bring her flour.

SPEAKER_01 3:25

How about bring her bread?

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Yeah. It might be green or brown, whatever. Right. Oh. So man, I you know, I really got in trouble at the bank today on my way into the show. Yeah, because this this uh this lady was asking me to help check her balance, and uh so I pushed her over.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Uh okay. I don't have any good ones today.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

You don't have any good dad just I've only got about 700 over here.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

I know you do, and that's I'm pretty impressed.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Okay, so I went to a my wife and I went to a wedding here a couple of weeks ago. Um, and the the best man was from Paris. Okay? Best man lives in Paris, but he came back and he was the first one to give a toast at the reception. And he raised his glass and said, Eggs, cinnamon, bread, and maple syrup. It was a French toast.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

Boy. Uh what do you call man with a rubber toe?

SPEAKER_00 4:37

A man with a rubber toe. Unfortunate.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Well, that would maybe be that. Oh my gosh, that's a sleeper, huh? Um no, uh Roberto.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Roberto. Oh. You know, I was gonna tell you another railroad joke, but I lost my train of thought.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

I knew where that was going.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

Man. Um okay. We ready? I think we're ready to get into the Bible.

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Why do we tell actors to break a leg?

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Because if they broke a hip, they couldn't walk or something. I don't know.

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Because every show has a cast.

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Oh, that's it. Okay. All righty. Okay.

Hebrews Overview And Leadership Foundation

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Six. Yeah, chapter six, Hebrews. So, so uh, if you're not familiar with the book of Hebrews, uh it is in the New Testament. It is. And if it really talks about why Jesus is superior at first, talks about Jesus superior to the angels in the Torah, then Jesus is greater than Moses. Chapter 5, 6, and 7 talks about Jesus greater than the priests and uh a priest named Melchizedek. So if you're not familiar with any of that, I would encourage you to go read the first five books of the Bible. And um, it it might be some difficult reading, but it'll give you a foundation for the book of Hebrews. And so last week in when we talked about Hebrews chapter five, we really talked about the importance of laying down a solid foundation of Christian faith. Um, and that would be true for leadership. You've got to know some basic principles of leadership in order to be a good leader.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

And and you know, one of those we talked about is knowing your people's names and knowing about them. And and that just shows interest, it shows respect, uh, those kind of things. Um, it's important to know how to how to set priorities, you know. Uh Tim and I are both uh in the school of Stephen Covey, you know, doing the ABC thing and and setting up our schedules uh like on Sunday night for the whole week and and those kind of things, and having to restructure those things. However, you do something, just make sure it's effective and it works for you. Um I was under the mentorship of of a pastor many years ago that said he never accepted a phone call, except it from his wife, obviously, but never accepted another phone call. Um, and so he would have his secretary uh take all his messages and then he would make sure that he returned phone calls between 11 and 11:45. And that's because people were ready to get to lunch. The conversations were a lot shorter, they were to the point, and they and they were ready, you know, they could make a instead of a 20-minute conversation, it could literally be a two or three-minute conversation. Um, and then he would return also calls in the afternoon between 4 15 and 5. Uh, and the same principle applied. That way he got so much more done because he wasn't interrupted by returning phone calls, answering phone calls, you know, looking at his email, those kind of things. That's when he had a specific time in the day to do that. And those are just good fundamental leadership principles.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Yeah, good time management. Same thing for me. I I in my construction business, I call all my clients on Fridays. Um, and a lot of times my clients know they'll be calling on Friday because I call every Friday and give them an update what we did this week, what we're gonna do next week. But what that does is people table questions that maybe come up on Wednesday, Thursday, and they'll talk to you on Friday. They'll just hold it so your phone isn't ringing nonstop for every every waking second. And another thing I teach is new speakers. There's always uh, there's not always, but every once in a while you'll get one one uh person in your audience that is really trying to hog the attention or has the questions and is going in detail, wants to have conversations. And I'm like, I will spend two hours. My my plane isn't for nine o'clock tonight. If we get done with this uh at 4:30, how about I just spend a couple hours with you after the class and we can we can talk about all your points? You know what happens at 4:31? I'm packing up my bags because now it was on my time he wants to discuss, but you get to his time, he's out that door. It's not an important factor at this point. I'm like, I know I'm good, you know, and they just leave instantly. I'm like, well, where does that person want to speak for a couple hours? Right now, they they don't do that, so it's just how you manage it from a leader standpoint and it and how you look at it.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Yeah, so I remember uh, you know, as a pastor, I would always stand at the back door with my wife. We'd say bye to people, thank you for coming, have a great day, and all that kind of stuff. And occasionally someone would come up to me on the way out and say, Hey, can I make an appointment with you? I wouldn't have my phone on me because it'd be in the office. And I even did this before we had cell phones, and I said, Yes, you can. Call me tomorrow and make an appointment. 90% of the time they'd never call.

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No.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

I think so. If you put the, you know, the responsibility back on them, you know, don't feel like you have to take all the responsibility on yourself.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Uh put the responsibility back on the other, some of the other people. And if they don't call, then it's like, okay, you know, and if they do call, schedule a call so that you only have five or ten minutes to talk to them because you have something else that you're doing, whatever that may be. Um, and that's just good time management because you could get stuck with a phone call and and you're you're trying to work on a deadline, but you feel upgraded to talk, and it's just it's just not healthy. So some of those basic leadership principles, time management issues, uh personnel issues, uh, are just so important as the foundations of good

Time Management Boundaries That Work

SPEAKER_00 10:53

leadership. So that's really in chapter five. Now in chapter six.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Chapter six gets a little controversial, doesn't it? It does. And we mentioned it a little bit, and and I think it it sort of talks, um, correct me if I'm room, it talks about people that have sort of been enlightened and and they've they've shared in the Holy Spirit, but then they've sort of drifted away. You know, we like to use that word drifting, I guess, or fallen away. And some people read that as, yeah, maybe that uh can a Christian lose its salvation, or some people other read it and say, no, this is describing people who are close to faith, but they they they've never really truly converted or they need to find their way back. And and uh lot a lot of controversy there, you know, and and I'll let you take it from a theological standpoint, my little setup to you. Well, but uh, you know, and and a lot of conversation. I know which way I'm leaning on this, but you know, it's let's hear your thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Well, first of all, I'm not gonna go too deep into this because we could have a lot of things. Come on, let's do it. We can spend hours and and never really cover the topic uh thoroughly. But so before I even get into my some of my thoughts, um, if you want to talk about this particular topic, specifically Hebrews 6, uh verses four through six, if you want to uh talk about this more specifically with me, uh please email me at the show, biblical leadership show.com. Uh, we'll have a lengthy conversation, maybe through email, maybe on the phone, whatever. Um, this is the passage where the the saying has come, once saved, always saved. Uh, and that has been uh, let's just say, some disagreement. Some people believe that, some people don't. Um, so it has been an issue of let's just say controversy um for decades, if not centuries. Um, and and so the the question uh before we even say that, because we look at the whole Bible or the whole book of Hebrews, uh and we see that God uh expects maturity and fruitfulness from people who have received faith. Okay, so let's just lay that from the very beginning. He expects us to move on to maturity. However, let's just say some people, and I've experienced this firsthand, some people who have a great foundation of faith. They've grown up in the church or you know, they've they've learned a lot about the Bible, but for some reason, I don't know if it's tragedy or they just begin to drift. They're around other people that are not necessarily of the same mindset of faith. Um, and instead of just laying a foundation, they're tearing up the foundation. Uh, they're not building on it, they're tearing it up. And so I've had several people in my life uh who I know were very active in the faith, uh, just say it to my face, I just don't have any room for God in my life anymore. Uh I can't imagine. I mean, it makes me sad. I can't imagine how sad that makes God uh to say, hey, I don't have room for you. Now, here's here's the question I just want to throw out, and we'll talk about this a little bit more. God never says that to people. God never says, Hey, I'm tired of you. You know, your decision is to leave me. I'm never going to leave you. Okay. Uh, we see that over and over and over in the scripture. So one of the things we have to be very careful in doing with any passage in the Bible is taking one or two sentences and making a theological statement about the whole Bible based on what we read in one or two sentences.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Like fake news, right? You can just clip out that little video and make it to whatever you want to by showing one little clip and not playing the whole video, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Right. But in this particular passage, if you believe that, and many people do, I'm I'm not gonna go into that right now, but many people believe once saved, always saved. Okay. And the other people believe that no, you can be a Christian and then you become a non-Christian just by the way you choose to believe. And um, so uh the question is you get those views from from just one or two sentences here in Hebrews chapter six. I think you're missing part of the whole point of the Bible. And and from the beginning to the very end, God is always about redemption. Um and always, he always wants people to come to himself. I mean, the the story of the prodigal son in the book of Luke, perfect example. There was a, you know, a son that ran away, he he was worked in the pig style, he came to himself, as the Bible says, and this and the father ran to him. The father's always has open arms for us, uh, he's always wanted us to come to himself. Even if this this would be my take on the story. On the I know it's not the Bible, but but I'm just gonna extrapolate. Even if the son was still in the big pen, the father would have still come to him and found him there and brought him home. Um, and and so I just believe that the father's always chasing us, he's always, you know, he's never forcing himself on us, he's a gentleman, but he's always wanting us to come back to him. Always. Yeah. And so to say that some people are not are beyond that, they're beyond redemption by their own choices, they might be, we might think they're beyond redemption, but God never has that opinion that they're beyond redemption. And so we have to be, I think, very careful when we go to this passage of once saved, always saved, or no, they're not, or whatever. I I think we have to be very careful and not uh summarize the entire Bible because of what we read in two verses. So I take a broader view of the scripture uh and I don't let my theology be defined by what I find in these few verses here in the book of Hebrews. Um and uh so that's kind of where that's all I want to really say about it. We'll talk about the leadership principles from that in just a minute. But if you want to have a deep, deep conversation about it, and we can talk theology, we can talk historians, we can talk all that kind of stuff. I'm more than willing to do that. But just write me an email, biblical leadership show.com, and we'll have a conversation. Um and uh we'll we'll talk as long as we can. We'll email back and forth, we'll set up a time to talk personally if you want to. Um, and I look forward to it. So just let me know.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Um, now let's go back to before we get into leadership the uh principles. This particular passage does talk about the warnings uh and the danger of turning away from Christ. Um and after you have significant spiritual uh exposure, okay, and experience. Um and and whether Christians can actually totally lose their salvation uh or not is um is a I think a different topic uh with the same passage. Um and and I think so this is a a warning uh as much as it is anything else. Um that a warning of do not treat Christ casually, uh, don't drift, uh don't harden your heart. Uh if you do, the question is, is God gonna just deny you? Um I I don't believe he ever denies you. We might deny him. I don't know if he ever just completely denies us. So let's just talk about the leadership principles about that, and uh we'll move on from there.

Hebrews 6 Warning And Salvation Debate

SPEAKER_00 18:52

So, Tim, I'll just uh turn it over to you. You've got some great thoughts about this particular thing and how it relates to leadership.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Yeah, and and this one of the things that I I'd mentioned to you is for me when I read this, it's and I I'm 100%, you know, I don't think God will ever turn the back on you. And I think that's one of the big things that, you know, is a takeaway for me. But I can say it from a business standpoint. I there's been many a many a times in 30 years of doing the construction business that I just get where I'm like, okay, I don't want to do this business anymore. Just if somebody shows up and says, Come to work for me, um, what time do I start tomorrow morning? Right. You know? Oh, it's one o'clock. I'll be there in an hour. I'll be there. What what do you got? And I I I lean that into, yeah, I mean, if you you have the foundations and stuff, and and sometimes you just, you know, you call it burnout or whatever, you know, it just you you start drifting off. And but I mean there's there's things that restart the passion. Again, 30 years. I've done this multiple times where, you know, and I've even taken a break, you know, construction business. I took a year, year and a half off when my kids were born. I was just like done with this. I'll I'll do real estate and speaking, and just I I the biggest stress in there is the construction business. I'm like, that's gotta go go away, right? Um, and then I I sort of relied dad from a leadership standpoint that what are you doing to um, you know, how are you doing that work-life balance and and to keep that passion? Are you doing things that that bring you joy? Are you working 80 hours a week and you you you just sucked in your job, but there's no joy, and you're not getting getting that passion out of life? I mean, life's short and and it's important to do things that make you excited, to spend the time with the family, to spend the time doing something that brings you joy that can counteract if you truly are burnt out or or not in that that right place when it comes to your job. Sort of sort of one of the leaderships I took out of this this verse, you know, or this, you know.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

So I I think what I would say also is is there's a difference between falling down and walking away. Okay, or pausing.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

Pausing.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Sometimes you just need to pause and walking away. Okay. Sometimes you just need a break. So I would say leadership. Uh for those of you who are in leadership, which I know many of you are, or most of you are in some way. How long has it been since you've had some personal time away? Just you, maybe you and your partner, you and your spouse, whatever, just need to take a break. Um, you know, take a week off. Um I can't take a week off because what it's like, why I I used to have that opinion, and I realized I was just getting by not doing that, I was just getting worn down. You know, and I go back to the Stephen Covey principle number seven about sharpening the saw. You know, sometimes you just need to. Rest so that you are more sharp, more energetic, more um ready to go back to do what you feel you're called to do. Um, and if you just don't ever rest, you don't take care of yourself, you don't take a break, uh, you can literally get burned out. So take a pause. Don't walk away, just take a pause. And now sometimes you take a pause and you realize, no, I need to walk away. Okay, well, then that's fine. But don't just get to the point where you burn out and then have to walk away. So uh, and I think there's another leadership thing, there's a difference between struggling and rejecting. Uh, and sometimes we have a thing going on with our lives or in our work that we're just struggling with it. And instead of saying, nah, we're not going to deal with that, maybe it's time to bring some other people in, help you process it, think about it, turn it over to some other people on the team and say, hey, can y'all just my my plate's kind of full right now. Can you all just take this and do some reach on, think about it, bring me back some options? Sometimes it's good to just offload your plate. Um, and and I used to say this to people, and they would say, and it's rightly so. Okay, if I'm doing this, what do you want me to not do? Okay, I would give somebody's, okay, what do you want? Okay, let's talk about what you're doing, and then let's talk about what you're not going to do for the next two weeks, a month while you work on this project for me. And um, I just think that's being good leadership. You know, you prioritize not just your time, but the the time of your of your staff or your people, uh, your team. And uh they will respect it because if you just keep piling work on people and work on people, uh, they can get burned out really, really fast.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

And that's what I appreciate about Hebrews. The writer, he doesn't soften the warning, but he he also doesn't abandon the people, right? Right. And I think that's a good leadership thing, you know. And I think you as a leader, you can combine correction with hope. You know, he wants them to mature, but but he's he's saying that I I still communicate that I belief in you. And uh, and I think that's one of the things I took out of this is you can confront people, but then you you got to give them that hope and tell them, hey, you know, it's sort of like the sandwich, you know, the sort of the positive, negative. I don't I don't buy into that, but this is more of like I say, I'm more of a uh, you know, the negative with the positive. And that's one of the things I sort of caught in here is um, you know, you you have to have accountability. I'm an accountability coach, right? You know, you have to have accountability in things. So, but at the same time, you know, there's there's ways to go about it that you can make it a positive to people by uh discussing their their downfalls and weaknesses as well.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Yeah, and so talking about accountability, um, one is if you're the leader, CEO, team manager, whatever it is, uh, and you're

Burnout Drift And Taking A Pause

SPEAKER_00 25:03

talking about a you know, people are accountable to you, you're accountable. When you when you have other people, you know, do their weekly report or annual report, whatever it is, are are you looking for perfection? Are you looking for direction? Okay, there's a big difference. Um uh so the question is, what about yourself? Are you looking for perfection or are you looking for direction? Um and and so many times we're looking for perfection in everything that happens, and we have to be some things have to be absolutely perfect, okay? They do, or it just doesn't cut. I mean, if you're making a widget and you're off by you know a hundred thousandths, uh maybe that's just not good because it has to be perfect. Um, so there's certain things that need to be perfect, but also you have to think about the direction that the employees doing, the company's going. And um, I I think I would lean on the side of direction with your people and perfection with the product.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Yeah. And and one of the things I got out of this, and I wrote it down, is bad leadership avoids correction. Harsh leadership corrects without hope, but biblical leadership corrects with purpose. And this is what I saw the, you know, I I interpreted the the writer of Hebrews basically seeing, saying, I need to warn you, I need to tell you the truth, but I also believe God is doing something better in you. And uh, I think that meant for a lot, you know, it really where it really talked to me on that.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

So and the other thing as far as accountability is is is attitude. You know, uh here's the thing a negative attitude will never give you a positive result.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

You know, attitude is so, and if you're the leader, um, I'm not saying you have to be fake, um, but having your attitude being positive, not Pollyanish, but you're you're the captain of the ship. You you can steer, you know, you've got the the rudder in your hands, and and if you're gonna be negative, it is going to filter down through your people really, really quick. Um, and sometimes once that happens, it takes a long time to have a positive something filter down to the same level. Right. And so it's gotta start with you. Um and so just think a negative attitude will never give you a positive result, it just won't. And so um you gotta be positive, uh, you gotta be honest, you gotta be accountable, and uh you gotta encourage your people to do the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Yeah. And you know, uh, out of all the warnings, um Hebrews um six sort of ends with a hope as a an anchor for the soul, sort of, right? And um, you know, that that anchor sort of represents stability. Um sort of the the believer's hope is secured to God's promise and and that fulfillment in in Christ. And I think that's important because hope is sort of not hype, you know, it's it's it's just not like the positive thinking. Um he's not pretending everything's just fine. Um but you know, you if if you're anchored, anchored in God, it there's a hope, there's a uh something bigger than than words can then bring to it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yes, and so talking about anchor, which uh Hebrews here is really powerful imagery about that. Um

Accountability Plus Hope In Correction

SPEAKER_00 28:50

so every leader should have an anchor, and your people will know if you have an anchor or not, if you have a moral compass, they will know that. Sometimes you don't even have to say a word, they'll just know it by the way you talk, the way you act, the way you don't, I mean it's things you do, and they they will just perceive it very clearly. So for a Christian leader, uh their anchor is not their personality, charisma, experience, control, whatever, their their anchor is Christ. So my question is for those of you listening, what is your anchor for your life? And is it the same anchor you have for your business? I mean, that your anchor for your business might be your profit, okay, your profit margin. Um, and are you gonna read, okay? So we're we're in June. Uh, you got the second quarter finishing up here, uh, the end of June. Uh you're gonna meet your targets. Uh, you know, is that your anchor, or is it something a lot more significant than that, uh, more than your bottom line. So your people will know what your anchor is. Um, and you need to be sure that you have an anchor that does not falter. 100%. So just give it you that. And uh wow, yeah. Hebrews 6, man, that is that's some deep stuff right there.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Yeah, it it is. And if you want to have a more, a little bit deeper conversation with it, definitely uh uh check us out biblical leadership show.com. I do believe it's biblical leadership show at gmail.com. Uh send us an email and uh Dr. Posey will have a further conversation with us.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

Yes, I'd love to have a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

And he might even ask you if you have some dad jokes as far as payments.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

And they might say, please, I'd say, please bring some dad jokes with you. Oh my goodness. And so, so you know, we're here in Arlington, Texas Rangers are, you know, in their season, and and so, but why why did that stadium get so hot after the game? Because all the fans left.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

I was in there, I was gonna throw you off of the dome and all that, but it wouldn't have mattered.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

It wouldn't have mattered no, it wouldn't have mattered. They closed the dome. Uh, okay. Okay, what do you call a pony with a cough? Um a little horse.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

I was like, it's gotta be the horse.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

Oh okay. Well, we got some really good stuff for next week. Um, we got some more um dad

Your Anchor For Life And Work

SPEAKER_00 31:52

jokes. Uh I've got a couple more for for today. You do? I do, I do. Um and um so you know, I'm retired as a pastor. Yes, but I was really thinking about going back to work and working in a mirror factory because that's really something I can see myself doing.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Nice. Oh I was just thinking about my boy. He asked me uh um if I could explain what a solar eclipse was. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I said no sun.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

No sun.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

There's my there's my that's your dad joke for the week.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

That was a good one. Uh okay. Um, you know, I had a Zoom meeting the other day and I told a joke, and not a single person laughed. You know, turns out I'm not even remotely funny. But those listeners already know that, so they're not surprised. Oh, so why aren't koalas actually bears?

SPEAKER_02 33:08

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Because they don't meet the koala vacations. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Oh boy. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

All right, you got one more to close it out.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Okay. Why couldn't the sesame seed leave the casino? Because he was on a roll.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Uh, you know, I do like that one. I sort of like that. That's a good one to close out.

Closing Jokes And How To Reach Us

SPEAKER_01 33:46

All right, guys, check us out biblical leadershipshow.com. Uh email us if you'd like to discuss Hebrews 6 a little bit more with Dr. P. Uh other than that. Uh, you guys have a great rest of the week. Enjoy the summer. We're having a good time around here.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

It's getting hot.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

It is. It's definitely hot. We were working in the yard the other day.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Oh my goodness, it was already in the 90s. 90s and it was really warm. That's Texas.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

That's Texas. We like it. It's gonna be 100 degrees in a matter of days. Days, maybe hours. Exactly. All right, guys, check us out, biblical leadership show.com on their nap. Hey, thanks for listening. Make it a great day.