Hebrews 9 And The Leadership Lesson Behind The Tabernacle

We open Hebrews 9 and quickly run into a leadership tension you have probably felt at work: what do you do with a system that still has meaning, but is not meant to last? That is the heart of the chapter, and it becomes a surprisingly practical guide for biblical leadership, Christian leadership, and anyone responsible for people, process, and purpose.

We walk through the tabernacle in detail, including the courtyard, the Holy Place, the Holy of Holies, and why the Ark of the Covenant mattered so much to Israel. Then we tackle a question that sparks curiosity: if God gave precise specifications for the furnishings, why are some details left out? That turns into a conversation about leadership standards, clear expectations, and the difference between “do whatever you want” and instructions that protect quality. If you lead teams, build things, coach people, or manage operations, this is where Hebrews 9 feels like a leadership manual.

From there we connect the temporary nature of the old covenant to modern organizational life. We talk mission statements people cannot remember, how routines can replace purpose, and why good leaders respect the past without worshiping it. Finally, we land on “once for all” and what it means for guilt, forgiveness, and accountability, including the difference between being sorry for wrongdoing and being sorry you got caught.

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Transcript

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All righty.

Welcome And Episode 125

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Welcome, welcome, welcome. Oh, Tim, you're so funny.

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Maybe for uh, you know, show one or two hundred, I can come up with a new opening. I don't know. Maybe one fifty.

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Today's episode one hundred and twenty-five. We have reached a milestone.

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Milestone, exactly right.

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That is fantastic. I just think it's fantastic.

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I haven't even looked lately to see how many countries we're in. So we have to double check that.

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We'll do that.

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God's just uh expanding the audience.

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It is. I mean, I don't know how these I mean, we must have like five people traveling around that they're million dollars on uh Delta American or something. So they're just traveling around downloading it to beef up our stuff or for every person who listens.

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So those of you who are joining us, yeah, 100%. Um on a regular basis, thank you so much. And for those of you who are joining us for the very first time, thank you for finding us on the dial and on the podcast world. Yeah, uh, yeah, I know there's lots of podcasts out there you could listen to, so thank you for listening to us. Um, I am Dr. Dean Posey. With me is Mr. Tim Lance for Tim, and so we've been doing this uh gosh, almost three years. Yeah, episode 125 today. And if you're not familiar with the Biblical Leadership Show, let me give you, you can go on our website, biblical leadership show.com, and find out a lot about us. But let me just give you a brief synopsis. So we have um been talking about biblical topics uh since the inception, the last two years. Uh well, this August will be two years. Um that uh and that's actually like uh almost a month and a half from now. Um we have been going through the Bible book by book. Um some books take a little longer than others, but uh in all the books or chapters, we talk about the leadership principles from those books. And so we start in Genesis in August of 2024. We're now in the book of Hebrews in the New Testament. Uh, we've been on this book for this will be week number five, and we're in chapter nine. Uh there's a lot of deep stuff about leadership in this chapter, so we'll probably just do one chapter today. Um, and so we talk a little bit about the Bible, we talk a little bit about leadership, and then we throw in some dad jokes. Yeah, so here's

Dad Jokes And Life Updates

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let's start out with some dad jokes. What did one magnet say to the other magnet?

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You're irresistible.

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I find you very attractive.

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Attractive, that's what it was. It's like I've heard this one for you.

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Okay, so what do you call a sleeping bull? How about a bulldozer?

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Ooh, that one's tough. Yeah, that one's tough. Okay. I was I I had everything in my head except for that.

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Okay. All right.

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Well. Um Okay, so what do you call a I mean, when I was coming to the studio today, it was pouring down rain. I mean, just pouring. So I what do you call a bear caught in the rain? I don't know. A drizzly bear.

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I was thinking today was uh, you know, one of my my good friends um from way back when in college. Uh it's her birthday today. So I don't know that she listens to the show or not, but uh um, you know, what do you call a a person uh named Cindy?

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Cindy? Cindy it's her birthday. So it's her birthday, haven't you? So that just reminds me. Uh I have a I'm a part of a little band called the Jam Buddies. Woohoo! Yeah. And um yeah, it's great. Uh we've been uh playing together since last like August. Um and it's like a garage band, but we had our first official uh gig on on Saturday night. We played for a birthday party. One of our band members' wives had a birthday, so we went over to their house and just had a delightful evening. A lot of people there. Um taco truck was there. So we had some tacos.

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Did you peanut butter?

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Uh peanut butter, what?

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Did you have any peanut butter?

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No, with that jam, the peanut butter and jelly jam. Is that what you're talking about? That's it. So um we had some tacos and we played some music, and uh then we had some cake. Uh it was just a lot of fun. It was just a lot of fun. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Speaking of birthday, so um, I'm sure some of you have to have you set up here, you know.

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We'll have to have a party. We have parties here from time to time at the studio.

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So here's the thing, and some of you can relate to this, and we'll we'll we'll talk about this one thing, then we'll get on to the Bible. Okay. So some of you have a job that is so cool that if you do your job really well, you get to do other people's jobs too. And that's not a joke. That is some of you can definitely relate to that, right? Oh, well, let's um Okay, you know, I my wife asked me to go the after I leave the studio today to go to the grocery store, which I'm glad to do. You know, she made out a list. She said, Oh, could you put some ketchup on that list? And I now I get can't even read it. Oh boy.

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Let's get to the screen. But I'll leave it alone. Okay.

Hebrews 9 Overview And Big Themes

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All right, Hebrews 9. Yeah. Hebrews 9. We uh big chapter. Big chapter, actually, right? It's um yeah, showing us something, you know, you know, it talks a little bit about the temporary, the eternal, it talks about outward and in inward cleansing. It gets into a lot of different things than this. How did you interpret this, Mr. Uh knowing more about the Bible than me? But uh yeah.

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Well, I I think uh we're talking about, like you said, temporary and eternal, and and what does transformation really look like?

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Right.

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Uh what does that actually mean? Um and uh are we just maintaining a system that's been we're inheriting? Um are we actually trying to transform uh not just what we do, because you might be doing the same thing, um, but sometimes you need to transform people's minds or hearts as to why we're doing it. Um and that is good leadership.

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So yeah, and and you know, one of the biggest things I learned something in here. I I sort of knew it, but I really didn't really had never thought

Tabernacle Versus Temple Explained

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about. Yeah. Because this gets in the tabernacle.

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Yeah, the tabernacle.

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And I was like, okay, what's I had to Google what's the difference between a tabernacle and a temple. And and I thought I you've heard the word a lot and I've heard what it meant, but I really never went down a deep rabbit hole, which it sent me down a deep rabbit hole.

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Well, that's good because I think it's important to understand the temple and and um so I did a little study on this earlier in the year about the uh tabernacle, and so God gave the dimensions and all the specifications to Moses um while they were in the wilderness, and so they built the first tabernacle there as they were wandering in the wilderness. Um, and a tabernacle was temporary, maybe it was made out of you know certain uh skins of you know animals, and uh, but it had the it had a courtyard, it had a holy place, and it had a most holy place. And so those of you who are familiar with the uh Indiana Jones first movie, The Raiders of the Lost Ark, uh the Ark of the Covenant was actually in the most holy place, which was a you know a small room that uh the high priest would go in. And in the in that room uh was the most holy of places, and there was a a box called the Ark of the Covenant that was uh made out of wood but lined with gold. And on the on the top, the box was actually called the Ark of the Covenant. The top, the lid of it was called the Mercy Seat, and on the top of that box was two angels with their wings pointed together, and that's where they believe God resided, there in on that space, and so very uh significantly important for the Jewish people, and um and so the the tabernacle uh was you know, God gave the tabernacle instructions to Moses, the people created all of that. Um and uh the tabernacle it moved around, that was the whole point of it as they were wandering through the desert. And then even after they got into the promised land, it moved several locations several times. But the tabernacle was used for over 450 years. Which is yeah, that's longer than our country's been a country, you know. Right.

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Um, we're going into Fourth of July weekend this weekend, but we'll talk about it.

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Yeah, but you think about the settlement at Jamestown, 1609, I think it was. Um, that's that's longer than that. Uh so the tabernacle was used for generations after generations until the reign of Solomon. And King David wanted to build a temple, but God said, No, your son's gonna build it. So Solomon built a temple and it was absolutely magnificent. That was around 960 BC. That temple was around until uh the Babylonians destroyed it in 586. So the difference between those two is a temple is permanent. Permanent location, a tabernacle was temporary.

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Yeah, it was pretty uh pretty unique. I sort of knew a little bit about it, but uh I hadn't went down through sort of uh what you sort of explained, uh, you know, the different uh structure and and the sacred patterns and all that stuff and and and uh of the courts and the holy space, the most holy space place and all that stuff. I thought that was uh that was interesting.

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So and if you look at the if you read you know the the book of Exodus um and and the rest of the the first five books of the Torah of the Old Testament, uh there's some very, very specific uh details about what God wanted the tabernacle and the furnishings of the tabernacle to look like. There wasn't just some oh go build this tent and this is what you're gonna do. No. It's this is what I did some research on, and I couldn't find an answer. So if any of our listeners know the answer, I'd love to know it. So you had uh the Ark of the Covenant, and then you had the table of incense, and you had the table of the showbread. Um and and but those had to be carried with you couldn't touch the tabernacle, okay? Right they covered it, but you couldn't touch it. And so, but there were there were rings on the side of the of the Ark of the Covenant and the table of incense and the showbread table. Um so a pole could be put through these rings on both sides, and then the priest would carry them. Um and there's so much detail about how big and wide and tall the covenant should, I mean the Ark of the Covenant, the table, the incense table, the table, showbread table, all that should be, except there's one thing that's uh fascinating to me, and I didn't realize it until this spring, and that is God does not give the dimensions, the length of the poles that carry the Ark of the Covenant or the other two. And I just thought that fascinating. I looked, uh I did some research on it, and I could not find the length of the polls. Obviously, it needed some, you know, the Ark of the Covenant was heavy, so I don't know if four priests carried it, eight priests carried it. Um but uh so if any of our listeners have a insight onto the length of those polls, I would love for you to email us at biblical leadershipshow.com and give me your source so I could uh know what uh length of those polls are. I know it's picky, but I'd love to know uh where you found that resource and uh the length of the polls.

Why Details And Standards Matter

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So but here's the thing let's talk about leadership. Uh God gave Moses the direction for the the tabernacle, um, even though it was gonna be he knew it was gonna be temporary. They didn't know it was gonna be temporary, but he knew it was gonna be temporary, and gave him very, very specific instructions. And sometimes leaders need to give their people some very, very specific guidelines and instructions. Sometimes you can say, hey, just just make this work, or sometimes you can say, hey, just whatever you think is best, you know, but for certain things you might just say, no, I want it done this exact way. Um uh you you're a home builder, you've been a custom home builder, Tim, for 30 years. And if you just said to your carpenters, uh just you know, do it whatever you want, and you know, that that angle doesn't need to be 90 degrees, make it 87, or this this uh you know top plate doesn't need to go all the way over, or the bottom plate doesn't, it can be a couple pieces, you know, it doesn't really matter. The quality of that would be so substandard. Uh so when you have uh work, architectural work or whatever, there's got to be some very, very specific guidelines that are given to the people so they can make it as good as possible.

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Yeah.

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So God was giving them very specific guidelines to do it the way that he wanted it to be. But here's the thing this was the temporary tabernacle, thinking that the the real one, um you know, there was a model up in heaven that they were copying um for the one on earth. And and so God gave Moses the directions and the the dimensions, and the people did all that, and uh some very skilled craftsmen uh wove all the fabric and it was just incredible, yeah.

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Yeah, and that's one of the things that we you know I've made me think of is you know, everybody has a a different thought on things. Um, you know, where you know, growing up that um I I was trying to think of what it was. I was having a a moment over here, like um we we didn't have standards, accountability standards and stuff. It was all subject to um the person's thought and their beliefs a lot of times. And and it wasn't from an HR standpoint, it wasn't until you know, very late 50s, 60s, that we started establishing standards that everybody had to abide by. And and but other than that, it was all just opinion, you know. Well, that's good enough, you know. But and that was the anything, building and and uh company and all this stuff. It was just, you know, what what was your moral character besides this guy's moral character? Is it close enough or is it you know not even close? And and yeah, there's a lot of stuff, especially when it comes to building a house and different things that you can cut a lot of corners and and you know it's it's it's it's watching over him as a leader.

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So yeah. So so I think about the tabernacle.

Respect The Old Without Worshiping

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Um I think one of the key points is the old system was meaningful, but it was not final. Um and uh sometimes people think of the temporary as unimportant, uh, but that's not what uh the Hebrews is saying. It uh I think the Hebrews are saying that the tabernacle mattered, sacrifices mattered, the priesthood mattered, um, but they were pointing some to something beyond themselves. Uh they were signs, they they were not the ultimate substance. And and so uh I think one of the things that we can learn from leadership is you know, you need to respect the old, but you don't need to worship it. Uh as someone told me a long time ago, uh the past is a guidepost, not a goalpost. And so many times we want to go back to the old. Um when the old is great, but but with new technology, new products, new this, it's like, okay, how can we do what we do now better? We can follow the old guidelines, we can follow the old principles, but how can we make our product now better? Yeah, you know, um with everything available to us today, how can we make it better? Not not cheaper quality, same quality. No, no, no, nothing.

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Some of our food out there and all our random stuff, you know. Just go back to the old recipe, guys. You know, why do you need 55 chemicals in there to make it? Just go back to the old recipe. I I guarantee your sales would go up if you just if they just went back, right? Raise the price and said this is real food. I guarantee I I scratch my head on some of these companies, right? Because they fight, they fight. Oh, we're not gonna do this. I'm like, a simple mind shift of okay, we went back to the original recipe that you grew up in in the 60s and 70s, buy it. We had to raise price by a dollar, but here it is. People would buy it in a second, your sales would triple. Just think about the bread aisle.

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You go to the store uh in a major, you know, supermarket, and you just go down the just go down the bread aisle, and there are dozens and dozens of options for bread. Yes, and you can buy the cheap loaf for a couple bucks, or you can buy what you're saying, the old school recipes. Yeah, uh the it's it's pricier, okay? It is, but it's a lot healthier. It is, and and some, you know, it just depends on what you want to spend your money on.

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Yeah.

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Um, or as leader, what do you want to spend your time on? What do you spend your money on?

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It's exactly so you know, and that's one of the things that, you know, uh, and you were sort of mentioning it right there, you know, is is you know, the systems are great, you know, and the the things that we put in place, but it's really the

Mission Statements People Actually Remember

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mission. And I I think back to some of these these companies is you know, how how are you um, you know, a lot of things that we do serve the mission, but it's not the true mission uh that people are really striving for. And and you know, uh I always tell people it's uh and I mentioned it so many times, I even hate to say it, but almost every every seminar I do, and that's a lot per year, I ask people, do they know their mission statement? And literally out of 50 people, one might raise their hand. And they don't know it, they just know a few words in it, which I said, that's good enough. That's close enough. At least you know that it's there. And people just don't don't really put that in place, and it just drives me crazy.

SPEAKER_04 20:34

I've seen some mission statements sort of like a paragraph long. How how can you memorize that? You know, uh 10 words or less. What's your what are what's your why?

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Yeah, you know, yeah. I I one we went to and prominent um equipment manufacturer in the construction industry, and we were there and they had a bronze plaque on the back of the room. It was literally six foot four, because I looked at it in the eyes, and it was literally words all the way down. Um, that was their mission statement. I'm like, no, you know, we got it. Let's and we rewrote it in class. I was like, probably would have gotten in trouble, but I said, let's let's rewrite it down to uh you know a one sentence, maybe two sentences. And we rewrote it. I'm like, here's the thing are is are they gonna get mad that you rewrote it or are they gonna get uh excited that you actually knew what it was? What's the mission statement? I don't know. Compared to, well, I don't know exactly, but I know that it involves this, this, and this. Your leader, that's gonna come off a whole lot better. I always tell people you need to you need to you need to memorize that. You need to know what it is.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

And so, you know, the the meetings we go to is not the mission, the uh the uh the title you have is not the mission. Um and and so that's really good. And so the the thing about it is the the let's talk about the tabernacle again.

Once For All And Leadership Forgiveness

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Yeah.

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One of the purposes of the tabernacle was to draw people closer to God. Now, not everybody could go into the tabernacle itself. You know, the priest could go in. There were two rooms in the tabernacle. One's called the holy place. That's where you had the lampstand and the table of incense and the show bread table. That was where the priest could go into. But then there was a separate room beyond all of that that was called the Holy of Holies. And there was a a curtain between the two. And inside that second room was the Ark of the Covenant. And the high priest could go in there once a year. That's a whole lesson in itself, which is exciting and great listen. But the point that I think one of the points God was making is this is not the end. This is pointing you to something that's going to be greater. And that's what I think in the book of Hebrews, chapter 9, the writer's talking about there's something greater than even the tabernacle, even the Old Testament covenant. And that greater is a person named Jesus. And so in chapter 9, uh really verses uh 11 through 14, uh, there's the words once for all. And uh the old sacrifices of the animal sacrifices were repeated because they were temporary. But Christ's sacrifice, and we talked about this last week, was one time sufficient for all sin. Um and I had a I had a thought when we're when I was doing some research on that. We read in the Bible that uh about guilt. And there's really two times of two types of guilt. Okay. One is you feel guilty because you you did something wrong and you know it. The other type of guilt is you feel guilty because you got caught. Now, if you just you just feel guilty because you got caught, then you don't really see any need for forgiveness.

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Right.

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But if you realize no, what I did was wrong, then you think, oh, I need to forgiveness. I need to restore that relationship. And and so just think about that with you as a leader or your employees or your co-workers. Uh guilt's the same way. If someone did something wrong and they acknowledge it, okay, then the question is, how does a leader deal with that issue? Um some people get fired over an issue like that, some people get a second chance. Each leader has to decide for him or herself what how they're gonna respond to that. But if you just guilty because you got caught at something, um uh then that's a totally different um issue that leaders need to deal with. So, so if you're a leader and um you have you're gonna have uh some of your employees or co-workers make mistakes or make a bad decision, and the question is, how are you gonna deal with that? Well, ultimately God dealt with that through the Jesus of dying on the cross and being raised again for forgiveness and the gift of eternal life. But I think leaders have to realize, okay, mistakes are gonna get made. Some are innocent, you know, you agree on something and it just doesn't work. Um and okay, we all made a mistake. We just didn't we just didn't think that through. We need more reason, whatever. Um but a good leader, um, you know, like we talked about last week with my broken rib on my bicycle accident, you you diagnose the issue and then you address the problem.

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So um let's let's talk about you. We've mentioned uh the sacrifices on the thing.

Sacrifices Timeline And The Ark Mystery

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Yeah.

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Did they did that just come up because it was in the old testament and they they said do this and and everybody followed how how Yeah God said this is the this is what we this is what I need you to do for for your sin.

SPEAKER_04 26:56

There's so many different types of of sacrifice. There's a sin offering, a guilt offering, a fellowship offering. Some were animals and some was grain. Okay. And there was a certain requirement for each one. Um uh, you know, and some were done daily, some were done yearly, so you know, like the Day of Atonement or things like that. So it in order to understand the sacrificial system, um the you have to really study those books, the first five books. Um, and uh really Exodus through do well, Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers, really. But Exodus and Leviticus are the two that really focus on that and the role of the priests, the role of the people, and all those kind of things for the sacrificial. And what do you do when you've sinned against another person? Uh, how do you rectify that? How do you, you know, it was a temporary thing to wash away your sin. But uh the writer Hebrew is saying, okay, that system was there for a purpose, but it wasn't permanent. You always had to come back again with another sacrifice.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

Um Did they feast on these after the sacrifice?

SPEAKER_04 28:09

The priests would get some of them where they would just, you know, burn the animal, but the priest would get some of the meat, and that's what they would use uh for their sustenance. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:20

Yeah. I was just sort of curious, you know, and and and then when did it hit a point where it just stopped? And then I'm curious. I've always been curious about a few of these things. That's a great question. And I have my own personal uh, you know, uh, you know, consultant here in the studio with me. So I'm asking questions. The people want to know.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

They do want to know, and it's a great question. Um, so here's the thing. So the the sacrificial the sacrificial system started when the people were in the wilderness with uh the tabernacle.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

Uh and it it that was around for 450 years, and then you have Solomon's temple that was built in 960 or around finished around that time, um, around 960 BC. Uh the Babylonians uh came in um in 586 BC and literally destroyed the whole city of Jerusalem. I mean, just tore down the temple, took all the gold. Uh, and and so the question that some people might ask is okay, is that where the Ark of the Covenant went? Is to Babylon.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

Right.

SPEAKER_04 29:29

But we don't know. It would be maybe the most incredible archaeological find if someone ever actually found the original Ark of the Covenant. I you know, um uh unless you discovered the real Noah's Ark. I mean, those two things are just fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

It's not very big, it's like three foot. It's two foot. I mean, something it's it's very small.

SPEAKER_04 29:48

Yeah, two cubits, three, two cubits long, which would mean you know, 36 inches long, 18 inches wide, and 18 inches tall. So it's not very big, but it was very, very powerful. There were certain things that were kept inside of it, and uh very but very meaningful because uh the priests would take it out uh before battle because it represented the presence of God, and uh they felt just like God was with them in battle. Uh, we read sometimes that mistakes were made and the enemy got the ark, you know, and things happened because of that. But uh so that but the sacrificial system was there until you had um uh the Babylonian uh destroy destroying of the temple in 586 BC. So they literally destroyed it and the people were deported to Babylon. Not everybody, but there was no temple anymore, there was no tabernacle anymore, there was no altar anymore, it was all gone. Uh and so when they came back and built the the smaller temple after after they came back around 539 BC, um, then that started again. And so when we see um uh up in Jesus' time, there was Herod's temple, as it's called, and the sacrificial system was in full bore. I mean, it was fully going again uh until 70 AD, the Romans came in and destroyed the city of Jerusalem. And that's basically when the sacrificial system stopped, it was in 70 AD. Yeah. Because they just those like the Babylonians, they literally just destroyed the whole city. They tore down the walls, they tore down the temple, they did everything, slaughtered a bunch of people. It's a really tragic story. Um, but after that, there was no this the Jews were scattered, um, the the temp the sacrificial system was over. Um, and so but that was after Jesus. I mean, Jesus died around 30 or so A.D. So, but that was like 40 years later when the Jerusalem was destroyed. But they had the ultimate sacrifice in Christ. So um the Christians realized, oh, we have the ultimate sacrifice, you know. They stopped. That makes sense. Yeah. And so that's what the book of Hebrews, the writer's talking about, is all that other stuff was temporary, okay? But this is permanent. This is the permanent sacrifice once for all. Don't need another one, don't need to be repeated. Um, so anyway, yeah. I like it.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

All right.

SPEAKER_04 32:27

Anything else? Well, there's so much that we can um I mean talk about.

Fourth Of July Invite And Closing Jokes

SPEAKER_04 32:32

I was thinking 4th of July. Yeah, 4th of July. It's coming up this weekend. And so I just want to say for those of you uh that live in the Fort Worth area, especially, um, there is a everybody hope celebrate it's the 250th year of our country's existence. I mean, how cool is that?

SPEAKER_00 32:52

How cool is it?

SPEAKER_04 32:53

That is so cool. And and we are privileged to live in the greatest country on the face of the planet um and in the history of the planet, and and we have so many freedoms that other countries can't even comprehend. Uh, and I hope that you take your family and celebrate it somewhere. Right. If you're in the northwest side of Fort Worth this weekend, uh on Saturday night, 4th of July, uh, there is a little community called Azel, Texas. And that community has one of the best Fourth of July celebrations uh, and it's a little town, you know, about 12,000, 15,000 people, very hometown feeling, but they have an incredible uh 4th of July event uh sponsored by the Ministerial Alliance. Um, there'll be probably 10,000, 12,000 people there, maybe more this year. Um, but everything's all the food is free. There's music going on for about three hours from six to nine. Uh, then there are fireworks at about 920.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Can I see the posey band jamming up?

SPEAKER_04 34:00

No, we won't be there, but uh I will be there serving call or iced tea. I'll be serving iced tea. Uh and then everything's free. Hot dogs are free, everything food's free, uh, drinks, all of it's free. And so it's a great time. Bring your blanket, bring some food if you want to. Uh, there's a massive lawn uh because it's at the city park uh with a pavilion for the the band and everything. Uh it's just incredible. Parking is free. Um, bring your lawn chair, whatever you want to do, um, and just come and enjoy it. It's really, really amazing uh for a community that of that size to put on such an incredible event. And I think this is either the 33rd or 34th year of doing it.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 34:43

And so they just do an incredible job, and it's great to just be a part of that.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Our country's 250 celebration. So, I'm excited to see.

SPEAKER_04 34:53

And so just if you don't come to that one, go somewhere and just celebrate America.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Yeah, well, you celebrate, you know, like what and do you know what the Statue of Liberty stands for?

SPEAKER_04 35:07

Freedom.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

No, because it can't sit down. Oh I was I was transitioning for you, Dr. P. So you could get into some dad chicks. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

Okay, what do you call a man that irons his own clothes?

SPEAKER_00 35:27

Hmm. Poor.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

Yeah. Before I left home for college, my mother taught me three things. Number one, how to do my own laundry. Yes. Number two, how to iron my own clothes. Number three, how to make meatloaf. Nice. Yeah. I I continue to you know do that. So, no, what do you call a man that irons his own clothes? You call him Iron Man.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

Oh boy, oh boy.

SPEAKER_04 35:59

Oh boy, no, Iron Man. Oh boy. Oh, did you hear? You know, we're gonna we have a census in this country every 10 years, right? But in Ireland it's different. So did you hear about the population of Ireland's capital?

SPEAKER_02 36:18

No.

SPEAKER_04 36:19

It's Dublin.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 36:24

Well, you asked me. I did ask you.

SPEAKER_04 36:29

You know, I saw I saw my neighbor over the weekend uh crying while he was pushing his lawnmower. He was going through a really rough patch. Oh boy. These are dad jokes, of course. They are. You know what's really odd?

SPEAKER_00 36:50

What's very what's odd?

SPEAKER_04 36:52

Every other number.

SPEAKER_00 36:56

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_04 36:59

Please send us dad jokes.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

Yeah, I'm telling you. What ghost haunted King George III?

SPEAKER_04 37:05

What ghost? Yeah. How about King George II?

SPEAKER_00 37:10

The spirit of 76.

SPEAKER_04 37:12

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

That's the truth.

SPEAKER_00 37:16

If you cross a patriot and a dog with curly hair, what do you get?

SPEAKER_04 37:20

A what now?

SPEAKER_00 37:21

Well, if you cross a patriot and a dog with curly hair, what do you get? I don't know. A Yankee poodle. Oh god.

SPEAKER_04 37:30

Oh. Okay, what is a light bulb's favorite news?

SPEAKER_00 37:36

Hmm. Don't know.

SPEAKER_04 37:38

Current events.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Oh boy. All right, my last one. Okay, your last one, please. No, I'm leaving it to you. What was the most popular dance in 1776?

SPEAKER_04 37:49

What was the most popular dance?

SPEAKER_00 37:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:51

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 37:52

Independance.

SPEAKER_04 37:55

Oh. Oh okay. All right, that's my dodge. Where do electrical cords and plugs go shopping?

SPEAKER_00 38:04

The outlet store.

SPEAKER_04 38:05

At the Allen Mall. Very good. Very good. All right, one more. Here's one last thing. Never use a GPS. No. When you're going to a cemetery. It's not nice to hear you've reached your destination.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

Oh, I hadn't heard that one before. I sort of that's okay.

SPEAKER_04 38:32

I kind of like that.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

I sort of like that one.

SPEAKER_04 38:34

I got an actual laugh from you on that one.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

I hadn't heard that one before. Usually you hear them and we can't remember them, you know. We go through so many of them. That one I never even heard. So okay. All right, guys. Check us out Biblical Leadership Show.com. Have a great 4th of July. Celebrate this country's great 250th anniversary. Come to Hazel if you're in the area. I might even swing up to Hazel. I'm gonna talk to the family, see if we want to go up there this weekend. Or go somewhere. Just enjoy. Anywhere Addison, you know, boomtown. It's a huge one. We've done that for years and years. And and uh a lot of times we just do Fort Worth once we get up on top of the hill in our neighborhood. Yes, we can see multiple ones all everywhere. So we may come out to Hazel. We'll never know. We'll see what we can do. So if I come over and get some tea, I might surprise you. Like, hey, I need some tea, I'm thirsty.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

Yeah, we got plenty of tea.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Yeah, all right. Check us out, Dr. P. Uh, you know, tell them to like, follow, share, check our website out.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

Yeah, all that stuff, and thanks for joining us today. Make it a great day.