Lead Like A Shepherd

If you’ve ever wondered why some leaders get a smile when they walk in and others get silence and side-eyes, this conversation goes straight at the difference. We’re back in the studio talking real life, real work, and real relationships, then we anchor it all in biblical leadership from 1 Peter as we wrap up chapters 4 and 5.

We start with the everyday stuff that reveals who we are, the grind of routine, the Texas heat, and what it means when a leader is willing to step into the hard work with the team. From there we pivot into 1 Peter 4:10-11 and the idea that every gift is meant to serve. That takes us into a practical breakdown of administration: the detailed, numbers-and-files side and the vision-casting side that helps people see where you’re going. If your organization feels stuck, this part will help you name what’s missing.

Then we get painfully specific about communication. People don’t just hear your words, they hear your tone, stress level, and intent. We share a simple but powerful example from parenting a young child with ADHD and how a quieter tone can calm the storm, then apply that same leadership principle to workplaces where anxiety and gossip can spread fast.

Finally, 1 Peter 5 challenges every boss mindset with a better model: shepherd leadership without domination. We talk humility, being an example, and why your example is what makes people actually listen. Subscribe, share this with a leader you respect, and leave a review with the leadership habit you’re working on next.

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Back To Routine And Texas Heat

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Oh man, I am hanging in there. It's a good day. It's it's nice and getting back in the routine. You know, kids going back to school, it's hot, but you know, we're starting to get our routine a little bit better. It takes a while, doesn't it? It does, it does. It takes a few weeks and all that.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Or just a summer break, and then all of a sudden you're into a very structured routine. Yeah. I'm ready for a vacation again. I'm already looking to first.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

You know, late when it's coming up. He's running the clock. So do that. Yeah. And hey, look who I invited back in the studio with.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Oh my goodness, Drew.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Yeah, Drew's here. And you know, a little side note on Drew here. He's he's actually working with us and and we're doing some projects. And and uh some construction stuff. So he's he's helping me a lot of that stuff. So he is gonna be in the the office from time to time. So I said, come on, you can come back in this week. And you you you you didn't get a chance to say too much last week because we we talk a lot. So, you know, uh we invite him in and see if we can get another three words out of him this week and call it good. That'll be it forever, right? No, we have him in there. He's he's pretty knowledgeable, and and I know that uh he's a big believer. He does a lot of stuff uh uh each and every week. That you know, he says, I can't can't meet with you right now and uh got Bible study, and I'm going over here and meet here. So he he is he's uh he does a lot of stuff every week. So yeah, welcome, welcome.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

So speaking of you know, talking, I used to tell my kids, um I got paid to talk for a living, and I love my job.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

So yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 2:17

That's it.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

That is awesome.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

I'm gonna require her to put like that, but I'm gonna run with that one. Yeah, run with it. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

People don't understand how I get paid to talk. So it's like, you know, my wife still she scratches her head. She's like, Why people pay for it? Why do you why do you get up? Why does that make you so happy to get up and stand and talk from an hour to eight hours in front of people? I'm like, I don't know. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

It just does. But Drew gets paid to make people's yards gorgeous. Yes, you know. So how satisfying is that? You know, I like yard work sometimes is challenging. I like the finished project.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

When you're out in that Texas heat for six, seven hours, it definitely catches up with you. Yes, it does.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

You gotta stay hydrated, especially now when it's 104 degrees and yeah, you know, it's that way for a couple of weeks. Yeah. Um, Norman, we have this in July, but this time, man, August is just brutal.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Just brutal. We uh a couple well about about a month and a half ago when Drew started there. We we had projects, a lot of the guys were tied up, so I just went and did this one and I worked on it, and I said, Come on, you can come work with me. And I took him out in the 108-degree heat for the day, and and I he spent like two or three days out there with me in the hundred-degree uh plus heat, and yeah, he he decided he was an office boy, he likes making calls, and it uh it it he actually developed some calluses, you know.

Leading By Working Beside The Crew

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Blue collar. Blue collar at the time. He we I was working him hard, so yeah, we went out there and I helped him lose like six, seven pounds in like three days, and and uh it was great. So uh so yeah, I took him out and gave him experience of working on the heat with me. So it was pretty fun.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

What a great leadership principle is that the boss or the supervisor's willing to get out there with the crew and do the work. Right. I I just think that is such a good example. And we've talked about this. I can't remember the show where the boss goes down and becomes part of the company and and then you see oh, I see what they're talking about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Undercover boss.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

Undercover boss. And so it's like every so often that's just important to get down there. And you know, I remember more than one occasion getting out there and stacking chairs, setting up tables, vacuuming, uh, just because it's like I'm I don't want to come across that I'm better than them because I'm the pastor. No, I want to be with you, I want to learn about you, I want to get to know the people, and um, we're all in this together. Right. So I just think that's really good.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

And even the bigger leadership thing is when you get home from working outside in the heat all day in the hundred degree, and your son wants to play basketball, and it's still a hundred degrees, and I had to go spend an hour outside playing basketball with him after I've already been in the heat. That was that was uh That's it. That's that's true leadership. You know, working out with the boss is great, but going after it the whole day.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

When I went home, my son, we got a little kiddie pool, he goes, Can I get in the water? I was like, Yes, we're both getting in there.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

We're both getting in the water. But you know, now that our kids are grown and you know they've been out of high school and college for a long time, uh sharing any time with them. Yeah. Um, and we want to be with them, and we're blessed that they want to be with us. And you you don't have those years back. Right. So those first 18 years or whatever, while you're they're under your care, um, are so crucial to setting up that relationship for the decades to come. And and so I just think um some it's just a privilege to be with our kids. We don't get to be with them a lot, but um every time we do, we have a great time and uh look forward to it. They look forward to it. At least that's what they say, you know. And but we can get along and all of us get along. And it's just it's just a good feeling. This I turned to my wife on our on our trip, you know, we just came back from last week, and I said, you know, we did a good job raising our kids because they want to be around us. And I just think that that's um that's just humbling to have that experience. And I let's just talk about that from a leadership point

Family Time As Leadership Practice

SPEAKER_02 6:50

of view. Now, for those of you who are joining us for the very first time, I'll I'll just take a little rabbit trail for just a second. This is episode 133 of the Biblical Leadership Show. Um, almost two years ago uh today. Almost two years, we started going through the Bible book by book. Now we started three years ago, but two years ago we started going through the Bible book by book and talking about the leadership principles in every book. So we started with Genesis uh two years ago, and now we're into the book of uh First Peter, and we're gonna hopefully get through First Peter today, chapter four and five. Um, and then obviously we throw in some dad jokes, and that's just because we like dad jokes. Yeah, and so uh I see Drew over there. He's got a book called The Worst Dad Jokes of the Of the World, and I can't wait to hear some of them. Written by my dad. Um, but let's just um talk about leadership from what I just said about being around our kids. Do do your employees want to be around you or do they just want to avoid you and get you know, just say, no, I I don't even want to go in. I know they have a quote open door. I don't even want to go in. It's just not worth my time because I ask them something, they they don't do it, or they're just mean, or you know, they don't have time. It's always the bottom line, they don't care about their people. And and so one of the things that I think good leaders do is create an environment where people want to be around the leader. Not that you can do that all the time. Obviously, you've got things to do, and you might have a big organization where you can only be around your top leaders. But if you walk down into the factory floor or to the warehouse or whatever, the plant or whatever you do, um, do people um you might not know everybody's name because you might have a crew of a thousand. Um, but is it something that people just like when they see you coming down, do they smile and wave at you? Do you guys stop and shake their hand, thank them for their job, or do they just like turn the other way and um and just kind of say, I'm get out of here. I just don't want to be around him or her. And and that to me is a great sign of leadership. If they if they smile when you're walking down, you just shake their hand or hit him on the shoulder and just say, Hey, thank you for doing a great job. Really appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

Yeah, and then and a lot of that has to do with your demeanor, right? If you're just seeing somebody, if I see Drew, every time I see him, I'm yelling at him. Well, I'm gonna see you walking down the thing. He's gonna die, he's gonna see me coming and he's gonna dive in the other room like I'm on the phone, sorry, couldn't talk to you, you know, and that's one of those things. You set it up. It's it's we talked about it last week, consistency, you know.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yes, yeah. So we'll get to that when we get to verse

Dad Jokes And A Quick Reset

SPEAKER_02 9:40

11 here in a few minutes. Um, and uh I think that goes right along with it. But uh, before we get to that, we gotta do some dad jokes. Dad jokes, and we gotta introduce dad jokes. So uh thank you for joining us. What are dad jokes? I've never heard of these maybe the greatest invention of the planet.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

You know, they've been around dad jokes are fantastic. You know, they did dad jokes on like caveman like writing on the walls or anything or anything. There's some dad jokes on there or something.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Well, I don't know, but this is not a dad joke, but I just I saw this picture I shared it to y'all before, you know, in in the prep. Oh, yeah, before we started. I just think it's just so classic. Okay. So I don't know who said this, but I I just really appreciate it. There's this guy, an older gentleman, and he's holding a cinnamon roll in his hand. And this is the caption. Oh listen, flour and sugar come from plants on a farm, and cinnamon comes from a tree. That makes a cinnamon roll a salad. I think that's awesome. Yeah. Okay, sign me up for salad. Yeah. Every meal. Every meal. I gotta have a salad, every meal. Gotta eat healthy, have a salad.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Okay. So we got some uh you got anything out of the book, Drew, that you want to share with us?

SPEAKER_03 11:04

Yes. Well, speaking of eating. Oh, we'll speak of eating. I tried this new restaurant the other day. Elon Musk flew me to the moon. Did you hear about this restaurant up there? It was it's great, but there's no atmosphere.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

I'm telling you, Bosey's tough. Okay, what do you call a musician with a problem? If you're not a musician, you might not get this one, but a trebled man.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

I was going through music somehow, so okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

What washes up on very small beaches? Water. Microwaves. Oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Why did the orange juice factory worker lose his job?

SPEAKER_03 11:56

Because he wasn't concentrated. There we go. A priest recently had a bug infestation in church. He said, Let us spray.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

Let us spray. Okay, what do you call a lazy kangaroo? About a sloth. About a pouch potato.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

That's that's close. I'm gonna give you the double, but okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

Last one for me until the end of the show. What does a pig put on dry skin?

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Um I do not know. It's oinkment.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Yes, obviously. Nice. It was right there at the top of my top. That is fantastic. Good job.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

Okay. All right. You got one? Yeah, speaking with the farm animal, we'll keep that theme going. What do you call a herd of sheep falling down a hill?

unknown 13:03

I've heard this one.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

I don't know. I don't remember. A lamb slide.

1 Peter Gifts Used To Serve

SPEAKER_02 13:10

A lamb slide. That was good. That was really good. Okay. I like it. Well, all right. So now we're into uh 1 Peter chapter 4.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

And uh all I'm thinking is that cinnamon roll now.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Well, Drew's gonna bring some next time, you know, next time he's in the office and I'm in the office. That'll be yeah, we might get to the show, we might just eat. You might need to eat.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

I'll make mine first, and you can judge that, and then my wife can make some, and you'd be like, okay, don't ever make me some again. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Why don't we just go with your wives? Is that a dad joke? Yeah, exactly. No, that's not a joke. I'm just saying what you said earlier. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Oh gave you kudos that you know your wife's much better. So I mean, why why wouldn't we? You've already said it, you already changed our brains.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

Ginger browns. Yeah, ginger browns, yes. Fantastic. For sure. Oh all right. So we're in uh we're in chapter four. Chapter four. Yes. Okay. So um this I'm just gonna read chapter four, verses ten. And be a great show.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Why don't you just read chapter four?

SPEAKER_02 14:22

I can read chapter four. That's good. Okay, so here's chapter four, um verse ten. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

All right.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

Each one should use whatever gift he or she has received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms. If anyone speaks, he or she should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he or she should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and power forever and ever. Amen. So let's just take verse 10. That was verse 10 and 11. Um so each one should use whatever gift he or she has uh has received to serve others, uh, faithfully ministering God's grace in its affairs and forms. Uh, I think that's such a powerful theological statement. And it's not um uncommon to read that kind of theology throughout the scripture that any any talent we have, no matter what it is, it could play sports, it could be math, it could be music, it could be now obviously talent needs to be fine-tuned at home. Um it's a gift. So if you're a leader and you have leadership capability, you have a leadership of speaking or organizing or whatever it may be, um, then that is a gift. Um and I had to um kind of get a lesson from a bishop one time that really helped me for uh the rest of my career. Um because we were talking about administration. And um he wanted me to go to this church, and he said, You're gonna need a a lot of administrative skills to help this church. And I said, Well, sir, I I don't have the lot of the knowledge of bookkeeping and those kinds of and he said, No, no, no. There's two types of administration. There's one where it's you know, you have to keep the records, you have to keep detailed files. That's that's a gift, and you uh you know, I'm not talking about that gift. He said, You'll have people to help you do that. I'm talking about the gift of administering that's called vision casting. He said, That's the kind of administration that I see in you, and I want you to help that church do. And um, he was exactly right. And and so sometimes people have the gift of administration for detailed work. Okay. There's always got to be somebody in the organization that does the detailed work, you know, where your finance person, your planner, your numbers person, they've got to be right on. Um, but there's also got to be a person who has the gift of dreaming, visioning. You know, they can look at a a house or a landscape project or or something, and they can see it in their eyes. They can be able to write it down, draw a picture of it or something, and say, this is where we're going. I think a good leader um needs to have the vision part, um, because you can find people that do the other part for you, the detailed work. Um and uh you obviously need a good person to do that. But if you have the book working part and you don't have the visioning part, um then I don't know if your company's gonna move forward. Um it might get more efficient in its bookkeeping and it's you know delivery and all that kind of stuff, but it might be challenging to grow the company beyond what it is currently because there's no vision for what the company could be. You could own a trucking company, but if you don't have the vision to expand to the next state or whatever it might be, um you could you know own a restaurant. Um and if you don't have a vision to have proper service, um, you know, then better service or better quality food, whatever, then that's gonna be a hard thing to for your people to see after a while. So I just think that's such an important gift, and it is a gift that some people have, some people don't, to see how I want something a year from now or two years from now, and let's work towards that. You know, last week I talked about the Wright brothers, they had a vision of a of flying, a powered glider, a powered flying machine, and it took them years, but they never lost the the vision, and that's one reason they were so successful. So yeah. So we just ask your people, what's your vision? I'm sure in your leadership seminars that you teach around the country, you know, you some at some point you ask that question, what's your vision for your company's forever? Every time the year.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

As I mentioned last last last week, it's like maybe one out of 50 people ever knows. Yeah. It's just not a big thing. People don't know it, they don't understand it. They don't know where they're going. But people say I even helped write it. I don't remember it. So it's it's on a plaque on the back wall. I mean,

Vision Casting Versus Detail Administration

SPEAKER_01 19:30

let's go look at it.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

So there's a story, I don't remember all the details, of two bricklayers building a cathedral back in the Middle Ages. And so someone went to one of them, what are you doing? I'm just laying bricks. And the other one said, they said, What are you doing? He said, I'm helping build a massive cathedral. And it's just your perspective on what it is you're doing or why you're doing it. And that that leader needs to be able to say, I'm helping build a better company, or I'm helping build a massive, you know, beautiful cathedral, then that will outlive me. Yeah. And um that's just a great leadership quality.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

It just is 100%. That's I always say it in my seminars. If it weren't for the detailed people to work for me, then I mean I'm really good about talking to people, kissing babies, shaking hands, but I need people to help me get things done, you know, because I'm scattered and I run in 12 different directions, so it's it's tough.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

So yeah, and I've had some fantastic people that I've worked with over the years that just you know, if I didn't have them, I it just wouldn't have happened. And I'm so thankful for those people. I still remember the very first uh church secretary that I worked with back in uh seminary days, uh Stella, and uh she she was just awesome, always kind of reminded me of what needed to happen and all that kind of stuff. And and it was she was just great. She was just great.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

So yeah, and and to go back on you reading the the verse, you know, and and that's one thing that I have to remind myself if if sometimes I get in a a rut, you know, is are you using the gifts, you know, that that you've been given to serve or to be seen and stuff? And and a lot of times I'll go through, I'm like, well, I'm speaking and that's my passion, that's my fun, but then I'll get caught up in the the daily grind of some of the other businesses, and I'm like, how am I using my gift in everyday life, you know? Because I mean that's I know that's a big part of my gift, and and uh so I constantly remind myself, how how do I use that? You know, I I talk about Drew, I said, you know, he he's got a sort of a sorted past like me. We've been through a lot of different things, and he he he impressed me when he was calling on me as a sales guy, and and uh one of the better sales guys that we have in the construction business, and that's that's his gift. He's got a Connection, he's got a uh he's got a follow-up and he's yeah, he's persistent. But I mean a lot of people aren't in in in sales and in general, especially

Speaking With Better Tone And Control

SPEAKER_01 22:10

in the construction business. It just that is it's unseen of and unheard of a lot of times and around our business.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

So I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Yeah, well, I appreciate you. Yeah. And so let's just uh move on to verse 11 where it says if anyone speaks, he or she should do it with as one speaking the very words of God. So let's just stop right there before we get to the rest of the verse. So very few times do we evaluate not just our words, but our tone, our intonation. Um, you know, are we are we uh communicating in a way that people understand what we're saying? Um do they they might hear the words, but they also hear the tone of voice, and that communicates more than the words. Um if we're angry, upset, stress-filled, whatever, that'll come across loud and clear. And that what that does is just perpetuates it to your people. And so then they get all anxious, and then you have gossip starting and all that kind of stuff, and that just ruins that just ruins so much. It takes a while to get back to where you were once that gossip starts uh flowing, and and that's never good for a company at all, ever.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

I'm gonna take it into the home life. Yeah. So my son is four and great age, ADHD, just like me. All right. He's just four years old and feral. And you can sit in in someone with ADHD, you can yell at them and that's a dopamine. That's a dopamine hit. So he's gonna constantly do things that require you to yell because that's what that's a I I can't remember the study, but it's a dopamine hit. And they enjoy that. The ADHD brain and thrives off of that. But when you want to break that cycle, you gotta talk and you gotta whisper. You talk about the tonation or the tonality of your voice and how to interact with certain people, and that's knowing your your your your workers or knowing your son in that instance. So I get down on his level and I just whisper. And it is just like a calming of the storm, like Jesus out in the Sea of Galilee, that that that storm was just calmed immediately, and he just goes, Okay, dad. Like, all right, I'm sorry. And it's just a completely different three, four hours. You sit there and you keep yelling, you keep yelling, like you said, you've lost that worker, you've lost your son for the day of of responding to you or properly responding to you. And it's just tonality. I've and this is something I've learned recently. So this is not something like, oh, I I've known this for years. This is a a class that has taught me, hey, the way you talk to your son is going to be how he talks to his son. And then I'm sitting there and I'm I'm I'm looking at my past, and it's just like, okay, that leadership that I had, um, unfortunately, I don't want to pass certain things on. So I was like, what can I do better? And it's that leadership, that persistence of of learning something still. And that was one of those things. The tonality was I love that you brought that up because that was something fresh in my mind that I've that I've you want you can obviously, you know, yell at your kid, hey, get off the cat tower, don't do a backflip on the couch, please and thank you. Which he does. And so it's one of those things where it's like, okay, let me whisper, get down to his level and whisper, and it's night and day different.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

Night and day different. And it could just not be that you're that a leader's yelling at the people, it could be that they're speaking with an angry voice, or they're more like just say arrogant because they're the boss and you're not, or whatever. And so there's so many things that go into communication that a lot of times the communicator doesn't realize that the audience or the coworks are picking up on. So uh it's a learned thing. I had to learn it um with some maybe some bad decisions, let's just say that, and um some bad behavior on my part. But over time, uh, if you really want to get better, you evaluate your speech, you evaluate your intonation, you evaluate your word choices, you evaluate a lot of things before you go and make a speech, you know, a talk to your team or a staff meeting or whatever. And um it is one of the ways you can really improve your leadership is just by your voice. Yeah. So I think this this thing right here is is uh a

Shepherd Leadership Without Domination

SPEAKER_02 26:35

really good leadership principle. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. So we probably should move on to chapter five because uh we're getting, you know, we're getting 25 minutes into the podcast, and and uh we can just finish up this book.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Do you think we should or what?

SPEAKER_02 26:56

I'm thinking we should. All right, all right, make it sure. Yeah, I think we should just uh finish, and then we can uh you know, after this, then we can uh start 2 Peter, maybe. Um and then we can go into 1 John. So uh lot of stuff still uh at our fingertips here.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

So five gets into humility, anxiety, and alertness, sort of what I've have on here.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

And being an example. Um does your example support your authority? Uh I just think right here it says in verse 3, not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. I that's one of the I think that's one of the greatest uh sentences about leadership in in First Peter et al. Is that you want to be an example, you know? Um and I just say I was listening to uh a book on tape coming over here to the studio this morning, and um this one guy who's always dressing way above the paycheck level of his people, okay. And so nothing against dressing nice, but if you're wearing something that's just so out of the people's league that they can't even afford your shoes, um it just says something to your people. So I'm thinking even your clothes you wear, your dress, whatever you're wearing, you're setting an example with everything that you do, from the clothes you wear to the the tone of voice you have, from the language you have, from your communication to your memos, you're communicating everything. And the question is are you setting an example that if something was to happen to you today and you were not able to work anymore, would you pass on your company at the same quality because you've instilled that quality in your people? Or are they just gonna take it and take in a totally different direction because they didn't like the example you set? And so I just think that's a really good sentence here in First Peter chapter five.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Yeah, and I sort of pulled it up as one of the strongest biblical leadership passages in the entire New Testament, you know. And I thought about it from uh leadership is shepherding, but not domination. And um, you know, and then you know, uh what sort of broke it down for me is domination uses people, shepherding serves people, domination controls through fear, shepherding leads through trust, domination protects ego, but shepherding protects the flock, and that's sort of where it tied into that, you know. And shepherd leadership, you know, it's it's not soft leadership, but it's it's using the strength um at times when it's necessary for the good of people. And and uh I you know we always we hear about the people that you know have the the name badge on, you know, it's my title, I'm I'm the boss, right? You know, and that's the domination person. And it's always that second in control. I've told stories many times of my journeys in here, and it's always the second or third person that's the true boss of the leader, even though that one person's the the dominating you know factor, but that's not the true leader of the group. So it's just looking at it, you know, and that's one of those things that I would tell people to look at is you know, are you controlling or are you you you shepherding, you know, are you building a flock and keeping them safe?

SPEAKER_02 30:36

So yes, I I just think what you said is great because you know, as a pastor, that's what we're trained to do is to be shepherds uh of our flock, no matter how flock big the flock is, uh, or you know, whatever. And so here in verse two, chapter five, verse two, he says, be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care. Yeah. Uh and so as a leader, the question is do you treat people as you're you're the shepherd and you're taking care of them? Are you entrusting them? Are you you know being transparent with them? Um and uh or are you just kind of lording it over them? So yeah. Good good thing. Good thing.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

One of the the things that stood out to me is authority gives you the right to speak, example gives permission gives people a reason to listen. So you can be authority. Authority gives you the right to speak, example gives people a reason to listen. So are you setting the example? Are you um does your does your example um support your authority? Does it help build you up in in their mind? And and I thought that was uh very good one that stood out to me.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

So that is really, really good. So you could you repeat that one more time. That's really good.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

Yeah, authority gives you the right to speak, example gives people a reason to listen.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, and I I just think that really summarizes that whole chapter of uh first Peter chapter five, uh talking about being a shepherd, self-controlled, being example. That's just kind of all summarizes in that sentence as you said. So very good, very, very good. So yeah. So we're gonna close it up with some. We finished First Peter. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

I mean, we could start again next week and go back and revisit it.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

We could start again in Genesis and and not even repeat the same lessons we had. Oh my god. There's so much in the Bible. There is so much, there's so much in the Bible.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

Yeah, we've tried to really break it down, but I mean, we we could go back and forth, especially you know, the first few in New Testament. We were really spending a lot of time, and and uh so yeah, we could we could do a lot.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

So we could do a lot, yes. Um okay, here we go.

Final Dad Jokes And Closing Invite

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

What has legs but doesn't walk?

SPEAKER_03 33:05

A table.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

Hey, good job, Drew. That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

He's like, I've heard this one. I know it. What is it?

SPEAKER_03 33:11

So that or a chair or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

No, that's a yeah, table, chair, whatever. Um okay, what runs all around a backyard but never moves? Uh my sod. A fence. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Here, this this one may be a little outdated. But my mate begged me to sing Oasis's Wonder Wall. I said maybe.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

Oh my goodness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Well, come on, Posey.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Yeah, you're a thousand, right? Yeah. Okay, so why did the fish get bad grades?

SPEAKER_01 34:15

I have an idea where it goes, where it's going. We'll say it. It's something about the school, right? Didn't hang out in school.

SPEAKER_02 34:23

No, because it was below sea level.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Oh. Well, there you go. That just makes no sense. I thought mine was better, right? They didn't hang out in the school. All right, just an oldie bit of goody. And I I bring it up every once in a while. Let's see if you remember of Hosey. When does a joke become a dad joke?

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Help me remember.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

When the punchline becomes apparent. Yes. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Okay, why was the frog arrested?

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Did he have a warrant? Did he somebody croaked? Oh, there we go. There we go.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Oh, then he would have been dead. Because he committed a crime.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

You asked me for one more dad joke. There we go.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Hang on, Kermity from here. Send me great news. The big story is. It sounds much better on person than a microphone.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

Okay. What is a clean desk a sign of? Not me.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

Definitely not me. A clean desk is what, an empty mind?

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Cluttered mind, right?

SPEAKER_02 35:46

No, a very full desk drawer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

I am definitely not a clean desk person.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

So I used to say this an organized mess is better than tidy idleness.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

You know. Sometimes when I was writing a research. Can you repeat that one more time? Okay. If my mother hears this, I want her to hear that. Okay. An organized mess is better than tidy idleness.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

I'm going to put that on a on a plaque or something in my house for Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

I remember sometimes in doing you know research and all those writing and all that kind of stuff, that I would have an L-shaped desk that was just full of books, papers, you know, my computer, everything. But I I needed it. You know, sometimes it stayed that way for days and days just because I was working on a so a project.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

I've told story many times. I tell them there and I've I mentioned it here. It's like called home my wife one time. I'm like, hey, I need to go to my office. And she's like, Do I have to? Right. And uh I'm like, yeah, go stand at my stand-up desk, not the sit-down ones, go to the stand-up one. And over on the right side, you're gonna see see three stacks. Go to the middle stack and then go down about 25 pages. You're gonna see an orange piece of paper, but go about four past that. And there's a number that starts with N. I need that number. She's like, seriously. And I'm like, Yeah, you promise it was. And she's like, oh my gosh. And then she's like, oh, I go, what? She goes, I found it. I'm like, thank you. Can you read that number to me again? And she's like, I don't understand your brain. I'm stressed being in your office. It stresses me out walking in the door. So but you found it. Yeah, I knew exactly where it was in the file. But you you wouldn't believe if I knew where it was, right? She's like, I just don't understand. Bye. Click. You know.

SPEAKER_00 37:52

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Okay, I've got one more joke.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

Yes. What kind of shoes do ninjas wear?

SPEAKER_03 37:59

Oh my goodness. I just I heard this one the other day.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

Sneakers. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

That was the audience.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

You got one more over there, Pussy? Um, well, speaking of your in-laws or your spouse, you know, why should you never laugh at your spouse's choices?

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Because she married you.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Because you're one of them. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

All right. I'm done. All right. Well, Drew, thanks again for joining us in the studio.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Drew, thank you for coming, man.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

Absolutely. It's always good to see you. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

Some biblical insight. Yeah. Some awful jokes.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

Some awful jokes. I mean, that's that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

But if you had a good dad joke that wasn't a groaner, I don't know if it'd be in the category of a dad joke. No, I don't think so. I just think it'd be a joke.

SPEAKER_03 38:59

It'd be a joke. You know, it's like when you go out to eat and they ask you, how did you how did you find your steak? And it's right next to the potatoes.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

That's good, right? All right, guys. Check us out, biblical leadership show.com. Send us your per request, anything that you might have. Other than that, thank you again for being here. And uh turn it over to Dr. B for thanks for joining us.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

Make it a great day.